2007-01-17 20:03:39 [Join Room] Do_aus -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 20:03:39 [IP] Do_aus: 60.224.107.233 2007-01-17 20:03:39 [Login] Do_aus 2007-01-17 20:05:07 [Logout] Do_aus 2007-01-17 20:56:46 [Login] Millie/Ca 2007-01-17 20:56:46 [IP] Millie/Ca: 24.205.112.201 2007-01-17 20:56:46 [Join Room] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 20:56:58 [Login] Janis 2007-01-17 20:56:58 [IP] Janis: 64.149.44.49 2007-01-17 20:56:58 [Join Room] Janis -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 20:57:10 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: Hi Janis 2007-01-17 20:57:12 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: Hi Milllie 2007-01-17 20:57:28 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: Made it in. Hope I get to stay for awhile 2007-01-17 20:57:38 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: are u doing this project also? 2007-01-17 20:57:46 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: last night I had computer problems 2007-01-17 20:57:53 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: nope I should be 2007-01-17 20:57:55 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: are u getting booted a lot 2007-01-17 20:57:58 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: but I'm not 2007-01-17 20:58:07 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: yep I was last night 2007-01-17 20:58:18 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: my computer was overheating too 2007-01-17 20:58:27 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: then it would freeze up 2007-01-17 20:58:35 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: it's really easy just read all the logs on it 2007-01-17 20:59:09 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: I've been busy with grandkids all week. I did see all the leaves numbered and it looks like fun 2007-01-17 20:59:45 [Login] Denise - BC 2007-01-17 20:59:45 [IP] Denise - BC: 204.50.10.43 2007-01-17 20:59:46 [Join Room] Denise - BC -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 20:59:53 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: yes thanks to dorothy she did that play with them and see what u get 2007-01-17 20:59:54 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: Hi Denise 2007-01-17 21:00:05 [Message] Denise - BC -> VioletReflections: Hi Janis and Millie 2007-01-17 21:00:07 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: OK I will 2007-01-17 21:00:14 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: Hi Denise 2007-01-17 21:00:34 [Message] Denise - BC -> VioletReflections: Millie, what is the show date you are using for the grow to show schedule? 2007-01-17 21:00:52 [Login] Peggy in Pa 2007-01-17 21:00:52 [IP] Peggy in Pa: 216.15.98.223 2007-01-17 21:00:52 [Join Room] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 21:00:53 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: I think it is May 4 2007-01-17 21:00:54 [Login] Tony /IL 2007-01-17 21:00:54 [IP] Tony /IL: 74.134.46.100 2007-01-17 21:00:54 [Join Room] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 21:01:01 [Message] Denise - BC -> VioletReflections: Hi Peggy and Tony 2007-01-17 21:01:03 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: Hi Peggy and Tony 2007-01-17 21:01:07 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: hi ladies 2007-01-17 21:01:09 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: hi Tont and Peggy 2007-01-17 21:01:26 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: tony 2007-01-17 21:01:26 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: HI Everyone 2007-01-17 21:01:44 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: peggy are we using show date of May 4th 2007-01-17 21:01:52 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: yes 2007-01-17 21:02:01 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: thanks 2007-01-17 21:02:11 [Message] Denise - BC -> VioletReflections: Thanks. I'll make a note of it. 2007-01-17 21:02:30 [Login] Jana in Indiana 2007-01-17 21:02:30 [IP] Jana in Indiana: 172.164.0.238 2007-01-17 21:02:32 [Join Room] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 21:02:36 [Message] Denise - BC -> VioletReflections: I missed the chat last night, but I'll jump in with the next session 2007-01-17 21:02:37 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: Hi Jana 2007-01-17 21:02:38 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: hi Jana 2007-01-17 21:02:40 [Message] Denise - BC -> VioletReflections: HI Jan 2007-01-17 21:02:43 [Message] Denise - BC -> VioletReflections: a 2007-01-17 21:02:51 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: Hi Denise, Janis, Millie, Peggy & Tony! 2007-01-17 21:02:52 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: Hi Jana 2007-01-17 21:03:07 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: Millie. Did you want to make it on certain day of the week to go along with chat? 2007-01-17 21:03:30 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: Hi Jana 2007-01-17 21:03:40 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: Did you IM me earlier Jana? My screen went white earlier when someone IM'd me 2007-01-17 21:03:47 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: no May 4th is fine with me I was just trying to remind myself 2007-01-17 21:03:52 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: wasn't me 2007-01-17 21:03:53 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: ok 2007-01-17 21:04:23 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: not me Janis 2007-01-17 21:04:30 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: oh ok thanks I didn't want to be rude. wonder who 2007-01-17 21:04:35 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: should remember the date, 2 months before your birthday LOL 2007-01-17 21:04:55 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: and yours LOL Tony 2007-01-17 21:04:59 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: before mine too 2007-01-17 21:05:47 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: did every one bring a plant and some white squares? 2007-01-17 21:05:58 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: yes 2007-01-17 21:06:10 [Message] Denise - BC -> VioletReflections: I think this is the chat I thought I missed last night? 2007-01-17 21:06:12 [Login] Gary in HI 2007-01-17 21:06:12 [IP] Gary in HI: 72.130.255.171 2007-01-17 21:06:12 [Join Room] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 21:06:17 [Message] Denise - BC -> VioletReflections: Hi Gary. 2007-01-17 21:06:21 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: Hi Gary 2007-01-17 21:06:24 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: Hi Gary! 2007-01-17 21:06:25 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: HI All 2007-01-17 21:06:39 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: did u look at the pictures on VR where I covered leaves with wite paper? 2007-01-17 21:06:46 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Yes 2007-01-17 21:06:49 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: yes 2007-01-17 21:07:00 [Message] Denise - BC -> VioletReflections: yes 2007-01-17 21:07:22 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: hi Gary 2007-01-17 21:07:30 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: yes 2007-01-17 21:07:31 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Aloha Tony 2007-01-17 21:07:34 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: ok good do u see where Dorotht numbered most of the leaves 2007-01-17 21:07:38 [Login] Brenda Al 2007-01-17 21:07:38 [IP] Brenda Al: 12.218.244.151 2007-01-17 21:07:39 [Join Room] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 21:07:42 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: yes 2007-01-17 21:07:44 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: yes 2007-01-17 21:07:44 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: hi Brenda 2007-01-17 21:07:47 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: Hi Brenda! 2007-01-17 21:07:48 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: hi all 2007-01-17 21:07:54 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: Hi Brenda 2007-01-17 21:08:03 [Message] Denise - BC -> VioletReflections: Hi Brenda 2007-01-17 21:08:06 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Hi Brenda 2007-01-17 21:08:29 [Login] Jake TX 2007-01-17 21:08:29 [IP] Jake TX: 70.238.205.88 2007-01-17 21:08:29 [Join Room] Jake TX -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 21:08:34 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: Hi Jake! 2007-01-17 21:08:35 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: hi Jake 2007-01-17 21:08:38 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Hi Jake 2007-01-17 21:08:38 [Message] Janis -> VioletReflections: Hi Jake 2007-01-17 21:08:39 [Message] Jake TX -> VioletReflections: hi all 2007-01-17 21:08:40 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: hi Jake 2007-01-17 21:08:43 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: hi jake 2007-01-17 21:08:46 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: ok good this is a good way to see what leaves you want to remove without taking them off the plant 2007-01-17 21:09:34 [Disconnect] Janis 2007-01-17 21:09:38 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: the point is seeing the symetry ? 2007-01-17 21:09:50 [Disconnect] Gary in HI 2007-01-17 21:09:54 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: janis is having problems with her computer 2007-01-17 21:10:10 [Login] Gary in HI 2007-01-17 21:10:10 [IP] Gary in HI: 72.130.255.171 2007-01-17 21:10:10 [Join Room] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 21:10:15 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: WB Gary! 2007-01-17 21:10:27 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: yes tony the plants I did have been growing since june july last year 2007-01-17 21:10:39 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: kick the case of the computer. Hardware is the part you can kick LOL 2007-01-17 21:10:48 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: LOL 2007-01-17 21:11:15 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: how long do you work on them to getting them to show? 2007-01-17 21:12:00 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: you will see it is ongoing(removing leaves all the ones I did are large plants but will probably be down to 3 and 4 rows of leaves by show time 2007-01-17 21:12:02 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: especially the LARGE ones like Buckeyes 2007-01-17 21:12:51 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: I start right after the last show So I start in June July by the time I have removed leaves and repotted 2007-01-17 21:12:57 [Login] Betty K IA 2007-01-17 21:12:57 [IP] Betty K IA: 67.0.93.248 2007-01-17 21:12:58 [Join Room] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 21:13:02 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: Hi Betty! 2007-01-17 21:13:05 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: hi Betty 2007-01-17 21:13:08 [Message] Jake TX -> VioletReflections: hi Betty 2007-01-17 21:13:11 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: HI Betty 2007-01-17 21:13:12 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Hi Betty 2007-01-17 21:13:20 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: Hello everyone 2007-01-17 21:13:32 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: welcome Betty 2007-01-17 21:13:35 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: how many rows for an average standard av for show 2007-01-17 21:13:45 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: hi Betty 2007-01-17 21:13:50 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: 3 or 4 2007-01-17 21:14:15 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: big is not all ways best Brenda 2007-01-17 21:14:18 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Is that when being shown or what you start with? 2007-01-17 21:14:21 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: thought you would have more 2007-01-17 21:14:30 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: Bloom count is very much a big role 2007-01-17 21:14:51 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: now I'm wanting to go back to my internet album & count the rows of leaves on those show plants 2007-01-17 21:15:18 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: some do Tony but if there is not a good bloom count to surport a large plant best to take off a row of leaves 2007-01-17 21:15:35 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: interesting 2007-01-17 21:15:58 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: mber we are talking the best looking plant 2007-01-17 21:16:26 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: so I work with it till the day before a show 2007-01-17 21:17:37 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: Try removing leaves on the numbered leaves on the pictures Dorothy did send the leaves to remove to Dorothy and your name She will try to post them for next week 2007-01-17 21:17:51 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: Peggy, any comments from a judge, jump in 2007-01-17 21:17:57 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: If you notice She and I did one and we both were off 2007-01-17 21:18:04 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: great! Now we have homework! LOL 2007-01-17 21:18:21 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: when you are just repotting...do you take the leaves off the same as for show 2007-01-17 21:18:29 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: It sounds like you are working for both symetry and proportion 2007-01-17 21:18:34 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: I did my homework already 2007-01-17 21:18:40 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: yes Gary 2007-01-17 21:19:05 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Would then a mini have fewer leaves than a large? 2007-01-17 21:19:09 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: good Betty what are the numbers you removed on what named plant 2007-01-17 21:20:28 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: post t yes Gary I have one mini that never shows more then 3 rows and all ways wind Rob's voodoo blue 2007-01-17 21:21:19 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: I should have said no as just becaus they are small they can have quite a few rows of leaves 2007-01-17 21:21:20 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: On Buckeye Country Lilacs I took off 10-16-17-18-19-20-21-22-23-24 2007-01-17 21:21:23 [Login] Cheryl in TX 2007-01-17 21:21:23 [IP] Cheryl in TX: 68.94.54.114 2007-01-17 21:21:24 [Join Room] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 21:21:30 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: Hi Cheryl! 2007-01-17 21:21:35 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: hi Cheryl 2007-01-17 21:21:37 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: hi Cheryl 2007-01-17 21:21:44 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: HI Cheryl 2007-01-17 21:21:48 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: Hi cheryl 2007-01-17 21:21:49 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Hi Cheryl 2007-01-17 21:21:53 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: hello all, didn't think I would get in 2007-01-17 21:22:35 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: Tony, check your e-mail 2007-01-17 21:22:48 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: why Cheryl? 2007-01-17 21:23:08 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: i have been sitting trying to get to chat and my feet have gotten cold, 2007-01-17 21:23:21 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: Hi Cheryl 2007-01-17 21:23:32 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: Betty I think u may be right on that one 2007-01-17 21:23:33 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: i was just having computer rebot problemos 2007-01-17 21:23:37 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: oh no! Do you have the lattest version of java? It's at www.java.com & it's free 2007-01-17 21:23:43 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: good 2007-01-17 21:24:04 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: Jana, from whom? 2007-01-17 21:24:04 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: new version of Java is 5.0 2007-01-17 21:24:11 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: Rachel 2007-01-17 21:24:23 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: i think that problem was one that i had caused by setting the clock accidently for next year 2007-01-17 21:24:34 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: I get the notice right from Java 2007-01-17 21:24:50 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: I just updated my Java to 7.0.9 It was automatic 2007-01-17 21:24:57 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: got Rachel's note 2007-01-17 21:25:25 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: the forum note? 2007-01-17 21:25:34 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: gee Gary My last update was just 3 days ago and it said 5.0 2007-01-17 21:25:40 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: got that forum note also 2007-01-17 21:25:53 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Oh, well 2007-01-17 21:26:20 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: wierd maybe it is different in different states 2007-01-17 21:26:28 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Could be 2007-01-17 21:26:30 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: I know I am working OK 2007-01-17 21:26:38 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Me too 2007-01-17 21:27:13 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: t more of the problems to the forum and not in Yahoo 2007-01-17 21:27:22 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: beed to 2007-01-17 21:27:28 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: need to 2007-01-17 21:28:11 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: Millie, do they also judgethe correct pot size? 2007-01-17 21:28:33 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: vendors are a big problem as we have many members that are vendors and we do not need hurt feeling 2007-01-17 21:28:34 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Back to show. Does soil appearance count? 2007-01-17 21:28:39 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: also the pot color? 2007-01-17 21:28:55 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: oh yes over potting and under potting 2007-01-17 21:29:06 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: Pot color depend on the show rules 2007-01-17 21:29:38 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: & type of pots too 2007-01-17 21:29:42 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: each show can set their own color for the pots? 2007-01-17 21:29:44 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: pot color is set by the show directions Most clubs say terra cota ,white green and no ceramic pots are allowed 2007-01-17 21:30:27 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: Never is a cermic pot allowed 2007-01-17 21:30:35 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: ours is only green or white round pots 2007-01-17 21:31:02 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: ours use to be green but we use all three colors now 2007-01-17 21:31:23 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: round also here 2007-01-17 21:31:34 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: what do you use for a liner, so the water does not get on the table cloth 2007-01-17 21:31:38 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: I would think that white would alter the appearance of the plant and flowers. It has a tendency to bleach out most colors. 2007-01-17 21:31:40 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: I really can't imagine getting good symetry with a square pot! 2007-01-17 21:32:08 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: no they look funny to me 2007-01-17 21:32:23 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: never thougth about that Betty 2007-01-17 21:32:37 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: we double pot for show 2007-01-17 21:32:50 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: I have a friend that says her plants grow square in a square pot. Never tried it myself 2007-01-17 21:33:03 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: lol 2007-01-17 21:33:15 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: u set a pot inside another pot and put a piece of saran wrap around the one inside 2007-01-17 21:33:54 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: ok, got it 2007-01-17 21:34:04 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: What colors do shows use for table cloths? 2007-01-17 21:34:10 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: and make sure the pots are clean 2007-01-17 21:34:22 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: Millie what do you show your mini and semi in we just use the solo cups is there something better 2007-01-17 21:34:24 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: I do use small (2") squart pots for babies, they don't grow square in them 2007-01-17 21:34:26 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: we use Pink a lot 2007-01-17 21:34:40 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: most I've seen are white Gary 2007-01-17 21:34:56 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: I still say that would dilute the colors 2007-01-17 21:34:58 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: me to Jana but do not show in a square pot 2007-01-17 21:35:15 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: you can use aluminium foil too Millie 2007-01-17 21:35:31 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: yes I use both Cheryl 2007-01-17 21:35:32 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: we use lavendar skirting and a white top 2007-01-17 21:35:50 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: Cheryl did u see the pictures dorothy did? 2007-01-17 21:35:51 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: oh, I wouldn't try to show in a square pot, it isn't allowed! 2007-01-17 21:36:11 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: good observation Gary, but usually the plant is 3 times larger than the pot so you really dont see it 2007-01-17 21:36:23 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Right 2007-01-17 21:36:34 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: well depends on the show rules Jana 2007-01-17 21:36:39 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: don't understand square vs. round. 2007-01-17 21:36:43 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: no Millie, which pictures are those? 2007-01-17 21:37:04 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: on VR under grow to show 2007-01-17 21:37:05 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: they're in the first folder in the photos section on VR on yahoo Cheryl 2007-01-17 21:37:09 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: Whats to understand Tony 2007-01-17 21:37:16 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: no i will check them out 2007-01-17 21:37:41 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: the rules of the show set up color and type of pots 2007-01-17 21:38:00 [Disconnect] Denise - BC 2007-01-17 21:38:07 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: would think they look at the plant and not the pot 2007-01-17 21:38:49 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: b submitts there rules of show to AVSA and they decide if they are OK or they send them back for changes 2007-01-17 21:38:53 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: But I think it would be hard to get a real good symetry and proportion in a square pot! 2007-01-17 21:38:57 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Probably look at it at least at first as a whole composition 2007-01-17 21:39:30 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: they look at everything Tony 2007-01-17 21:40:10 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: they'll even take off points if it's planted too high or too low in the pot 2007-01-17 21:40:12 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: yes they look at everythin but they start with 100 points and take off for every default 2007-01-17 21:40:35 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: over or underpotted too 2007-01-17 21:40:48 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Are the rules posted somewhere? 2007-01-17 21:40:52 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: i think the color being the same is so that the table set up will look good, the ratio of pot to plant is so that the plant will be in prob 2007-01-17 21:40:57 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: proportion 2007-01-17 21:41:07 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: over or under potted is a big no no 2007-01-17 21:41:12 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder 2007-01-17 21:41:21 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: there's a handbook you can get from AVSA Gary 2007-01-17 21:41:27 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: or judge LOL 2007-01-17 21:41:28 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Thanks 2007-01-17 21:41:47 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: and any suckers and the plant is disqualified 2007-01-17 21:41:56 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: well Tony you have a lot of beautiful plants we raised for a year they have to get the best of the best 2007-01-17 21:42:10 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: many things the judges cant see if the the plant is full and has a gazillon blooms 2007-01-17 21:42:52 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: like bugs, Cheryl? 2007-01-17 21:42:59 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: or miss named Betty 2007-01-17 21:43:04 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: round peg(av) don't fit in square hole (pot) Tony 2007-01-17 21:43:13 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: lYou don't what a neck on a show plant 2007-01-17 21:43:24 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: Hopefully there aren't any Tony 2007-01-17 21:43:30 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: yes Cheryl 2007-01-17 21:43:40 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: judges can't pick up a plant, right? 2007-01-17 21:43:45 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: if they see bugs the plant is pulled 2007-01-17 21:43:52 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: i heard a story the other night about a standard that won best in show and the owner didn't know it had three crowns untill he got it home and was about to repot it 2007-01-17 21:44:00 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: judges can not touch the plant 2007-01-17 21:44:04 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: the one thing Pat really stressed on her grow to show presentation was to remove all leaves that are smaller than the row of leaves above 2007-01-17 21:44:16 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Do you isolate plants returned from a show in case of bugs? 2007-01-17 21:44:28 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: absoutely! 2007-01-17 21:44:31 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: if i remember correctly that plant was even pictured in AVSA mag 2007-01-17 21:44:50 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: Pat has a very your artical in the mag on growing for show 2007-01-17 21:45:15 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: But isn't it better to leave a small leaf if it would leave a hole 2007-01-17 21:45:43 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: what loses more points, a hole or small leaf? 2007-01-17 21:45:50 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: yes, if there are bug, but it is not the judge that pulls, they have the clerk pull the plant, the clerks are their hands 2007-01-17 21:45:53 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: hole = space 2007-01-17 21:46:04 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: *Pat has a very good* 2007-01-17 21:46:16 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: I'm not sure Jana 2007-01-17 21:46:26 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: and pick up the plant right after the show, RIGHT Jana 2007-01-17 21:46:33 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: Peggy is a judge, she'll know 2007-01-17 21:46:46 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: definitely Tony! GAWD! 2007-01-17 21:46:59 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: i got marked wrong once as I repotted a trailer the way they do in Japan and in Japan u do not see the runners above ground and I was disqualifyed. I questioned the judge later and showed that all the runners were conected but the rules were never changed 2007-01-17 21:47:27 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: Peggy - what loses more points, a hole or small leaf? 2007-01-17 21:47:49 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: I would have to check the judges handbook 2007-01-17 21:47:50 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: did you write Bill Foster? 2007-01-17 21:48:12 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: I will check on it 2007-01-17 21:48:14 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: who is he? 2007-01-17 21:48:24 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: does anyone make 100 at a show 2007-01-17 21:48:34 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: yes 2007-01-17 21:48:35 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: that's a tough call Millie -- if they're below the soil, you can't tell if it's runners or more than one plant 2007-01-17 21:48:58 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Are violets always shown on a flat plane, ie. leaves parallel to the table surface? 2007-01-17 21:49:08 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: true I do not do them that way anymore 2007-01-17 21:49:31 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: bill foster is the grand poobaah of all judges, he is the one who has the last word 2007-01-17 21:49:49 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Then Episcias must be a real bear to judge 2007-01-17 21:50:01 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: yes Gary, but I have seen some in the winners circle that were in stands that shows them tipped forward a bit 2007-01-17 21:50:21 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: well normally to classes for them blooming and non blooming 2007-01-17 21:50:50 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: I asked about the parallel because they don't grow that way in the wild 2007-01-17 21:50:57 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: did you know I'm a judge too? 2007-01-17 21:51:13 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: I was asked to help judge the Dawg show at Pat's meeting, LOL 2007-01-17 21:51:14 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: really? 2007-01-17 21:51:20 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: not on the judging tsble Jana I have never seen that I have seen the winners moved to the tapped stands after judging 2007-01-17 21:51:33 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: Dawgs are the worst AV's in your collection 2007-01-17 21:51:48 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: right Millie, that's what I said 2007-01-17 21:51:48 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: me too Jana 2007-01-17 21:51:52 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Your talking about my plants!! 2007-01-17 21:51:53 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: tipped stands 2007-01-17 21:52:12 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: mine too Gary! LOL 2007-01-17 21:52:20 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: No tippy judges? 2007-01-17 21:52:26 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: LOL 2007-01-17 21:52:26 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: all plants being judged are flat on the table 2007-01-17 21:52:56 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: I have the tipped stands made for the winners 2007-01-17 21:53:04 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: right 2007-01-17 21:53:25 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: do they have the leaf props on them when judged? paper plates 2007-01-17 21:53:54 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: Space or small leaves=== up to 3 point for a space between leaves ===up to 1 point for smaller leaves under the outer row 2007-01-17 21:54:08 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: thanks Peggy! 2007-01-17 21:54:15 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: so smaller leaf is better! 2007-01-17 21:54:16 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: I would thing that the leaves would sag right away 2007-01-17 21:54:22 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: thank you Peggy 2007-01-17 21:54:26 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: some times, since the judges can't touch the plants, a flaw can be concealed by the way it is positioned on the table or the way the stake is put in it 2007-01-17 21:54:28 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: so it's best to keep the symmetry 2007-01-17 21:54:33 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: no Gary, no leaf supports allowed 2007-01-17 21:55:25 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: symmetryis 25 points 2007-01-17 21:56:09 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: it becomes a decision to the grower the night before well what will cost the less points a lot of leaves go flying off the night brfore 2007-01-17 21:56:16 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: what is the AVSA book on judging called? 2007-01-17 21:56:25 [Message] Gary in HI -> VioletReflections: Thank you all. I have to go give a talk at a dinner, so I better figure out what I'm going to talk about in a few minutes. I'll never get to see a show, but I like to know what everyone is talking about. 2007-01-17 21:56:36 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: avsa judging handbook 2007-01-17 21:56:47 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: nite Garty 2007-01-17 21:56:50 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: Gary 2007-01-17 21:56:55 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: nite Gary 2007-01-17 21:57:00 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: g'nite Gary! 2007-01-17 21:57:01 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: Handbook for Growers, Exhibitors, adn Judges 2007-01-17 21:57:05 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: nite Gary good luck 2007-01-17 21:57:12 [Disconnect] Gary in HI 2007-01-17 21:57:18 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: just make it a fun talk Gary! 2007-01-17 21:57:43 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: it is a must book if u show 2007-01-17 21:58:06 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: I understand they are doing new judges handbook and I just got mine in Minnesota and now there is a new one darn 2007-01-17 21:58:41 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: oh rally betty are there rule changes? 2007-01-17 21:58:54 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: really\ 2007-01-17 21:59:08 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: Don't know that maybe Peggy does 2007-01-17 21:59:27 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: I don't know but there could be 2007-01-17 21:59:49 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: dang allergys was boxing up pots in the garage with all the doors shut and it got me going again I hate this wheather 2007-01-17 21:59:59 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: The one I bought was done in 1998 and I read somewhere that they are doing a new one 2007-01-17 22:00:16 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: mine is dated 1998 also 2007-01-17 22:00:26 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: that is the one I have Betty 2007-01-17 22:01:07 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: me too 2007-01-17 22:01:29 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: guess I will ask before I buy one 2007-01-17 22:01:39 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: I guess we will need a new one to check for rule changes 2007-01-17 22:02:57 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: Well when I got mine I got 2 pages of changes that had been made since it was printed 2007-01-17 22:03:12 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: Peggy, what did take for you to be a judge? 2007-01-17 22:03:30 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: pass the test 2007-01-17 22:03:43 [Disconnect] Jana in Indiana 2007-01-17 22:03:45 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: classes? 2007-01-17 22:03:51 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: when we got to judges council meetings they give out the changes and updates for the book 2007-01-17 22:03:59 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: and have so many judged show ribbons 2007-01-17 22:04:06 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: but bill foster is the head of the council 2007-01-17 22:04:07 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: and classes 2007-01-17 22:04:29 [Login] Jana in Indiana 2007-01-17 22:04:29 [IP] Jana in Indiana: 172.164.0.238 2007-01-17 22:04:30 [Join Room] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections 2007-01-17 22:04:32 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: classes in person or on line 2007-01-17 22:04:45 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: my computer is trying to lock up 2007-01-17 22:04:46 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: wb Jana 2007-01-17 22:05:14 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: and each club president aor show chairman needs to sign the ribbons and most never do unless asked 2007-01-17 22:05:27 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: usualy Tony they give classes at the national show and state shows 2007-01-17 22:05:29 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: in person 2007-01-17 22:06:05 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: we reuse our ribbons year after year 2007-01-17 22:06:28 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: how can you reuse them , don't people take them home? 2007-01-17 22:06:44 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: really Cheryl as here it is the current two years of ribbons 2007-01-17 22:07:11 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: if it is a special ribbon they take them home, but after a while you get alot of blues and just keep the special ones 2007-01-17 22:07:27 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: wow I will check that out and they need to be ABVSA Judged show ribbons 2007-01-17 22:08:42 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: ok u mean give the ribbons back as u all ready have a draw full. LOL Yes I never take them home anymore 2007-01-17 22:08:58 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: We also use ours over if you have lots you just don't want to keep them just fun to win them when you first show you will probably keep them all but after a while where do you keep them 2007-01-17 22:09:28 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: the first show i was in i took every thing home even thrips 2007-01-17 22:09:45 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: :p 2007-01-17 22:09:52 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: yes I only keep special ribbons I got 3 special judges award ribbons so I kept them 2007-01-17 22:10:23 [Message] Peggy in Pa -> VioletReflections: have to say good night 2007-01-17 22:10:24 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: I haven't gotten any of those yet Millie 2007-01-17 22:10:25 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: the rest go back to the club to use again 2007-01-17 22:10:34 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: g'nite Peggy! 2007-01-17 22:10:34 [Disconnect] Peggy in Pa 2007-01-17 22:10:39 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: Nite Peggy 2007-01-17 22:10:41 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: last year was my first time 2007-01-17 22:10:46 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: i may not get any ribbons this time, my violet are not be good for me 2007-01-17 22:11:28 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: or maybe i am not being good to them 2007-01-17 22:11:36 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: LOL 2007-01-17 22:12:00 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: Millie are you going to post the leaves that should be taken off of the photo's that are posted sometime?? 2007-01-17 22:15:01 [Message] Cheryl in TX -> VioletReflections: i am going to say good night, i need my beauty sleep....... lol 2007-01-17 22:15:11 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: G'nite Cheryl! 2007-01-17 22:15:15 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: nite Cheryl 2007-01-17 22:15:20 [Disconnect] Cheryl in TX 2007-01-17 22:15:32 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: I'm going to head out too 2007-01-17 22:15:43 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: nite Jana 2007-01-17 22:15:49 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: Me too Nite everyone 2007-01-17 22:15:50 [Message] Jana in Indiana -> VioletReflections: g'nite Betty, Brenda, Jake, Millie & Tony! 2007-01-17 22:15:56 [Message] Betty K IA -> VioletReflections: Nite Jana 2007-01-17 22:16:01 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: nite Betty 2007-01-17 22:16:25 [Logout] Betty K IA 2007-01-17 22:16:29 [Disconnect] Jana in Indiana 2007-01-17 22:16:34 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: nite all 2007-01-17 22:16:46 [Message] Brenda Al -> VioletReflections: nite all here too 2007-01-17 22:16:52 [Logout] Brenda Al 2007-01-17 22:17:42 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: sorry phone still getting puppy calls 2007-01-17 22:17:46 [Message] Tony /IL -> VioletReflections: me too, night all, yall or y'all which is correct? 2007-01-17 22:17:47 [Message] Jake TX -> VioletReflections: well, guess it's time to say goodnight 2007-01-17 22:17:54 [Message] Jake TX -> VioletReflections: y'all 2007-01-17 22:17:57 [Disconnect] Tony /IL 2007-01-17 22:18:09 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: night all I am off also any last minuet questions 2007-01-17 22:18:15 [Message] Jake TX -> VioletReflections: Night Millie 2007-01-17 22:18:21 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: night Jake 2007-01-17 22:18:23 [Logout] Jake TX 2007-01-17 22:19:26 [Message] Millie/Ca -> VioletReflections: I will finish all the pictures Better and post the numbers but you did good on buckeye country lilac 2007-01-17 22:19:32 [Disconnect] Millie/Ca