09/8/05 19:58:52 Jana_in_Indiana Logs in [172.142.110.175]
09/8/05 20:01:48 Brenda___Al Logs in [12.217.41.65]
09/8/05 20:01:59 Jana_in_Indiana: hi Brenda!
09/8/05 20:02:12 Brenda___Al: hello, how are feeling
09/8/05 20:02:43 Jana_in_Indiana: yucky, still congested & coughing my fool head off
09/8/05 20:03:02 Brenda___Al: bad for copd
09/8/05 20:03:19 Jana_in_Indiana: yes
09/8/05 20:03:32 Jana_in_Indiana: probably why I'm not getting over it very quickly
09/8/05 20:03:56 Brenda___Al: I've missed some things, what did you get sick from
09/8/05 20:04:10 Brenda___Al: so true
09/8/05 20:04:27 Jana_in_Indiana: every year, when school starts my son always bring home some virus & we all catch it
09/8/05 20:04:51 Brenda___Al: yes, every year this happens
09/8/05 20:04:56 Jana_in_Indiana: he's a senior this year, so hopefully next year I won't have to deal with it
09/8/05 20:05:22 Jana_in_Indiana: looks like no one wants to hear about INSV, LOL
09/8/05 20:05:39 Jana_in_Indiana: BRB, still preparing notes
09/8/05 20:05:40 Brenda___Al: my 17 grandson signed up for the marines this week
09/8/05 20:05:46 Brenda___Al: ok
09/8/05 20:05:47 Jana_in_Indiana: oh no!
09/8/05 20:06:00 Brenda___Al: its ok
09/8/05 20:15:48 Brenda___Al: Jana?
09/8/05 20:15:56 Jana_in_Indiana: yes?
09/8/05 20:16:07 Brenda___Al: what is going on
09/8/05 20:16:21 Brenda___Al: where is everyone
09/8/05 20:16:34 Jana_in_Indiana: was working on the INSV notes, but looks like no one is going to show up!  Guess I don't need them!
09/8/05 20:16:58 Jana_in_Indiana: I don't know, have had storms here, but only tiny little ones, pass over quickly
09/8/05 20:17:14 Brenda___Al: do you have to sit here if no one shows up
09/8/05 20:17:15 goJ62(Judi) Logs in [172.164.55.200]
09/8/05 20:17:19 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Judi!
09/8/05 20:17:25 Brenda___Al: hello
09/8/05 20:17:36 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, probably will, ;)
09/8/05 20:17:36 goJ62(Judi): hi girls
09/8/05 20:18:05 Brenda___Al: not fair on you
09/8/05 20:18:31 Jana_in_Indiana: guess no one care about INSV
09/8/05 20:18:44 Brenda___Al: they should
09/8/05 20:18:46 Jana_in_Indiana: maybe they liked chats better when I was sick & not here?
09/8/05 20:18:57 Brenda___Al: not me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09/8/05 20:18:59 Kimberly_MD Logs in [12.77.48.116]
09/8/05 20:19:05 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Kimberly!
09/8/05 20:19:10 Brenda___Al: hi there
09/8/05 20:19:18 Kimberly_MD: Hi Jana, Hi everyone!
09/8/05 20:19:19 goJ62(Judi): don,t think so   no one her sunday or Tues
09/8/05 20:19:47 Jana_in_Indiana: I'll wait a bit longer, then go ahead & start, OK?
09/8/05 20:19:59 goJ62(Judi): ok
09/8/05 20:20:16 Brenda___Al: can I ask a ? on soil mix
09/8/05 20:20:19 goJ62(Judi): oh I got babies today
09/8/05 20:20:29 Brenda___Al: yea!!!!
09/8/05 20:20:40 Jana_in_Indiana: great!
09/8/05 20:20:46 Jana_in_Indiana: sure Brenda!
09/8/05 20:20:47 goJ62(Judi): two is better than nothing
09/8/05 20:22:40 Brenda___Al: I gal av pot soil, 2 qt of verm, 1 qt peat moss, 2 gal of perl, plus stuff rrom you. do you think this is ok
09/8/05 20:22:48 Jana_in_Indiana: give it time, you'll have loads by this time next year!
09/8/05 20:23:12 Jana_in_Indiana: do Tony's test with that soil
09/8/05 20:23:40 Kimberly_MD: I'm kinda lost here, what's the topic?
09/8/05 20:23:53 Brenda___Al: can't remember his theory
09/8/05 20:24:44 Jana_in_Indiana: When you get the soil, do 'Tony's test' before putting any of your AV's in the soil.  Put the soil in a pot (or several pots) then water as you normally do for a couple of weeks (withOUT an AV in the pot).
09/8/05 20:24:55 Jana_in_Indiana: Note if the soil is moist or too moist.  You may need to add more perlite if it's too wet in your individual growing conditions or more vermiculite if it's too dry.
09/8/05 20:25:07 Jana_in_Indiana: If you use more than one method of watering (wick some & others on mats or top watered, etc) do test pots for each method of watering, again withOUT an AV in the pot.
09/8/05 20:25:45 Jana_in_Indiana: then you'll know if you need to add anything more to it before killing any AV's
09/8/05 20:25:56 Brenda___Al: thank you so much
09/8/05 20:26:14 Jana_in_Indiana: had to find it on my computer, I knew I had it written out somewhere, LOL
09/8/05 20:26:50 Jana_in_Indiana: do you 3 want to hear about INSV or something else?
09/8/05 20:26:51 goJ62(Judi): Brenda did you get your leaves all planted before the strom ?
09/8/05 20:27:17 Millie_Ca Logs in [66.215.46.114]
09/8/05 20:27:18 Brenda___Al: yes, took all day
09/8/05 20:27:22 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Millie
09/8/05 20:27:29 Millie_Ca: Good Evening all
09/8/05 20:27:30 Kimberly_MD: I would like to know more about INSV.  Hi Millie!!!
09/8/05 20:27:39 goJ62(Judi): hi Millie
09/8/05 20:27:45 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
09/8/05 20:27:50 Brenda___Al: think that is what mess up my hip
09/8/05 20:28:08 Brenda___Al: hi Millie
09/8/05 20:28:15 Jana_in_Indiana: potting always messes up my back, it's hard on me!  LOL
09/8/05 20:28:17 Millie_Ca: Why do you think that Brenda?
09/8/05 20:29:09 Millie_Ca: I am getting so slow at re potting its a year round job now LOL
09/8/05 20:29:17 Brenda___Al: have hip replacement, it's starting to go bad. standing did a number on it
09/8/05 20:29:30 Jana_in_Indiana: no doubt will all the AV's you have Milli e!
09/8/05 20:29:46 Jana_in_Indiana: good grief Brenda, sit & do it!
09/8/05 20:30:00 Millie_Ca: Yes to maNY av'S AND SO LITTLE TIME lol
09/8/05 20:30:05 Brenda___Al: I will nezt time
09/8/05 20:30:19 Jana_in_Indiana: shall we start?
09/8/05 20:30:40 Brenda___Al: ready
09/8/05 20:30:42 Millie_Ca: Yes I sit and do it put its still a job and so messy
09/8/05 20:30:52 Millie_Ca: ready
09/8/05 20:30:59 Jana_in_Indiana: Impatiens Necrotic Spot Virus is also known as INSV
09/8/05 20:31:33 Jana_in_Indiana: virus is:   “ …sub microscopic, filterable, infectious bodies too small to be seen with a compound microscope.
09/8/05 20:31:53 Jana_in_Indiana: They have characteristics of both living and nonliving matter.  They are nucleoproteins capable of multiplying and acting like living organisms when in specific living plant or animal cells.”
09/8/05 20:32:04 Jana_in_Indiana: any questions about what a virus is?
09/8/05 20:32:43 Millie_Ca: does that mean no bugs just air carries it?
09/8/05 20:34:02 Jana_in_Indiana: no, it's vector primarily is Western Flower Thrips, but others can spread it too
09/8/05 20:34:19 Jana_in_Indiana: Virus can live on shelves, tools and pots in a dry state for years.
09/8/05 20:34:57 Millie_Ca: so soak everything in bleach before using?
09/8/05 20:35:06 Jana_in_Indiana: yes
09/8/05 20:35:19 Jana_in_Indiana: INSV grows rapidly when the temperature is above 75 degrees because it originated in the subtropics.  INSV invades more than 600 ornamental plants making it one of the largest infections.
09/8/05 20:35:41 Jana_in_Indiana: INSV is carried from plant to plant by Western Flower THRIPS
09/8/05 20:35:42 Millie_Ca: OK I can do that my violet group calls me the bleach queen LOL
09/8/05 20:35:57 Brenda___Al: lol
09/8/05 20:35:59 Jana_in_Indiana: me too, kids & hubby think I'm nuts!
09/8/05 20:36:10 Jana_in_Indiana: In days gone by virus  was called “stunt” disease because plants became stunted  and never bloomed.
09/8/05 20:36:20 Jana_in_Indiana: INSV, a tospovirus, originated in impatiens
09/8/05 20:36:28 Jana_in_Indiana: double-flowering impatiens with variegated foliage is the worst offender but stay away from any plant
09/8/05 20:36:47 Jana_in_Indiana: ready for symptoms?  Promise you won't panic!
09/8/05 20:36:48 Kimberly_MD: What about impatiens seeds?
09/8/05 20:37:07 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, seeds from an infected plant can contain the virus
09/8/05 20:37:27 Brenda___Al: do we clean every thing every time with bleach
09/8/05 20:37:37 Jana_in_Indiana: Just remember: Diagnosis can only be DONE IN A LAB OR BY SPECIAL TEST
09/8/05 20:37:59 Jana_in_Indiana: I do brend a, I keep a jar of 10% bleach water & dip my tools between plants/leaves
09/8/05 20:38:29 Jana_in_Indiana: but, Jeff Smith doesn't think bleach will kill INSV, but it sure can't hurt!
09/8/05 20:38:38 Millie_Ca: Brenda I keep a plastic tub with bleach water and throw everything in it after i am done and rinse it and dry it the next day.
09/8/05 20:38:38 Kimberly_MD: I've been using alcohol to dissenfect, Should I change to bleach?
09/8/05 20:39:26 Millie_Ca: what will kill it?
09/8/05 20:39:34 Jana_in_Indiana: normal rubbing alcohol doesn't disinfect, you need to use the kind make for cleaning styinges
09/8/05 20:39:50 Jimbo Logs in [68.234.205.152]
09/8/05 20:39:58 Millie_Ca: can we buy that?
09/8/05 20:39:59 Jana_in_Indiana: high temps & pressues, as in sterilizing will kill it
09/8/05 20:40:02 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Jim
09/8/05 20:40:04 Millie_Ca: Hi Jim
09/8/05 20:40:13 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, rubbing alcohol os 70%
09/8/05 20:40:30 Jimbo: Howdy :D
09/8/05 20:40:50 Kimberly_MD: I've seen the 90% i think is that the kind used to clean syringes?
09/8/05 20:41:15 Millie_Ca: I will look it smells better then bleach lol
09/8/05 20:41:15 Jana_in_Indiana: the kind to get is 91%, Walmart has it
09/8/05 20:41:41 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, remember Diagnosis can only be DONE IN A LAB OR BY SPECIAL TEST
09/8/05 20:41:49 Jana_in_Indiana: Symptoms: symptoms of INSV look exactly like many other maladies.  “bull’s-eye” spots in a light color anywhere on the leaves.
09/8/05 20:42:02 Jana_in_Indiana: The usual “bull’s eye” pattern of concentric wavy lines of dark green and pale green colors.   rings around a spot on the leaves that may be turning yellow or light green
09/8/05 20:42:11 Jana_in_Indiana: There may be other strange necrotic, pale yellow or light green markings along the veins  The entire leaf can be covered with rings and patterns.
09/8/05 20:42:25 Jana_in_Indiana: Light green lines and circle patterns can cover the entire plant or just one small part of a leaf.   Arch designs resembling an unfinished circle may be present.
09/8/05 20:42:34 Jana_in_Indiana: Brown necrotic streaks, pits or spots may develop.  Yellow streaks along veins may show up.  Centers may be stunted.
09/8/05 20:42:48 Jana_in_Indiana: The underside of leaves may develop a white, lighter green or red mottled coloration that may have a silvery pattern created by the thrips.
09/8/05 20:42:56 Millie_Ca: have not seen that  so hopefully I am safe
09/8/05 20:42:58 Jana_in_Indiana: One hybridizer says she is getting phone calls about cultural problems that resemble poor watering practices, high or low pH or water softener damage.
09/8/05 20:43:13 Jana_in_Indiana: Each gesneriad may have a different set of symptoms.
09/8/05 20:43:28 Jana_in_Indiana: All of the above look just like the following:  Mites and thrips damage, cold water on foliage, nutritional deficiency, low temperatures, over-fertilizing, crown-rot or bad culture.    There may be absolutely no visible sign yet the virus will be there.
09/8/05 20:43:40 Jana_in_Indiana: Any plant that has them must be destroyed.   Not just on a compost heap, but bagged and sent to the landfill because outdoor plants may be invaded.
09/8/05 20:43:55 Jana_in_Indiana: Western Flower Thrips, here on known as WFT, are responsible for spreading most of this virus although other thrips are capable.  No plant ever outgrows virus.
09/8/05 20:44:16 Jana_in_Indiana: any questions on symptoms?  Lots of other problems can look just like INSV
09/8/05 20:44:22 Jimbo: Guess I'm a little late. :?
09/8/05 20:44:33 Brenda___Al: is this a common problem with avs
09/8/05 20:44:34 Jana_in_Indiana: it does require a test to confirm or rule out INSV
09/8/05 20:44:50 Jana_in_Indiana: has been in the south I've been told
09/8/05 20:44:57 Jana_in_Indiana: also in NY
09/8/05 20:45:03 Millie_Ca: Not very Jim and it will be in the files
09/8/05 20:45:20 Jimbo: :)
09/8/05 20:45:25 Jana_in_Indiana: Lyons has to trash everything & start over several years ago due to INSV
09/8/05 20:46:13 Millie_Ca: The problem is it looks like so many other problems and is hard to know the difference. Are there any vendors we should worry about at this time?
09/8/05 20:46:44 Jana_in_Indiana: most all of the reputable vendors test for INSV & are safe
09/8/05 20:47:05 Millie_Ca: so how does Lyons no it was not carried by the leaves he saved?
09/8/05 20:47:08 Jana_in_Indiana: it's the swaps, ebayers, etc that are the biggest risk
09/8/05 20:47:30 Jana_in_Indiana: he told me he got rid of everything & started over
09/8/05 20:47:51 Millie_Ca: By over what did he mean?
09/8/05 20:47:52 Jana_in_Indiana: routine testing is the onnly way to know he's safe -- which he does do
09/8/05 20:48:03 Jana_in_Indiana: trashed everything
09/8/05 20:48:09 Millie_Ca: Did he get new plants from other growers?
09/8/05 20:48:27 Jana_in_Indiana: I honestly don't know just how he started over, sorry
09/8/05 20:48:49 Jana_in_Indiana: would LOVE to have him as a guest speaker!
09/8/05 20:48:54 Jimbo Logs Out
09/8/05 20:49:13 Jana_in_Indiana: WFT spread the INSV while feeding on plant tissue.  Saliva is injected  into the plant tissue as they rasp, spreading the virus  through the new tissue in less than thirty minutes.
09/8/05 20:49:14 Millie_Ca: Well I did several big orders with him two years back so I am concerned
09/8/05 20:49:34 Jana_in_Indiana: if they're healthy & growing & blooming, I wouldn't worry
09/8/05 20:49:52 Jana_in_Indiana: INSV plants are puney, scrawney & don't thrive
09/8/05 20:50:03 Jana_in_Indiana: Only two stages of the thrips reproduction can acquire the virus but adults seem able to pass the virus through their salivatory fluid.
09/8/05 20:50:12 Jana_in_Indiana: place blue or yellow sticky cards near an “indicator” plant.  If WFT show up it is time to spray
09/8/05 20:50:38 Millie_Ca: Well no puney plants here Lol
09/8/05 20:50:40 Jana_in_Indiana: Indicator plants are plants favored by the WFT and INSV that give first-response symptoms of the virus.  Paul Sorano uses Episcias as an indicator plant.
09/8/05 20:50:44 Jana_in_Indiana: good Milli e!
09/8/05 20:50:52 Jana_in_Indiana: They will show damage within a few days.
09/8/05 20:51:05 Millie_Ca: Oh good
09/8/05 20:51:12 Jana_in_Indiana: The symptoms on Episcia  are:  New growth dies back rapidly in a brown, dry color, dry brown spots may be on foliage, stolen and stems develop sunken, dry, brown  pitted patches  and the plant dies back completely.
09/8/05 20:51:33 Jana_in_Indiana: ISOLATE INDIVIDUALLY each and every new cutting or plant and INSPECT your complete collection every week or so.  It may take many months after invasion for the INSV to be visible, if ever.
09/8/05 20:51:46 Jana_in_Indiana: on AV's
09/8/05 20:51:59 Jana_in_Indiana: If you find a plant that is absolutely suspect, either toss it or separate it with complete barrier. If you suspect mites may be involved you can SPRAY it once a week for two weeks inside a plastic bag with a miticide.
09/8/05 20:52:08 Jana_in_Indiana: Isolate it.  If no improvement, toss the plant pot and all and wash your hands and anything that touched the plant tissue.
09/8/05 20:52:20 Jana_in_Indiana: DO NOT  jump to a conclusion that you have INSV without a positive test  that confirms.   The trouble may be something else that is not fatal.    Select a few plants that have symptomatic display and have them tested or test them yourself.
09/8/05 20:52:26 Jana_in_Indiana: am I going too fast?
09/8/05 20:52:45 Brenda___Al: no
09/8/05 20:52:56 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
09/8/05 20:52:58 Jana_in_Indiana: If you have had a plant for awhile and it is not thriving, be suspicious.   Plants with virus are very weak and prone to root rot and other insects will invade them first.
09/8/05 20:53:09 Jana_in_Indiana: If you are diagnosed you must discard the entire plant and consider that other plants have the virus.  There is a chance that any plantlet grown from this plant will have the virus.  It is best not to take the chance.
09/8/05 20:53:13 subversivegrrl Logs in [65.60.131.66]
09/8/05 20:53:23 Jana_in_Indiana: Although scientists have had a hard time infecting tissue to tissue, INSV is not like other viruses  that invade the entire plant, it may settle in only one small isolated part of  a  plant.
09/8/05 20:53:28 Jana_in_Indiana: Hello!
09/8/05 20:53:31 Millie_Ca: HI GIRL
09/8/05 20:53:36 Jana_in_Indiana: Sometimes INSV will only be visible on the underside of the leaves and may resemble color change, such as white, light green and red mottling when the top of the leaf has nothing.
09/8/05 20:54:07 Jana_in_Indiana: When we pot we take off leaves and scra  pe crowns exposing tissue  which may have virus.
09/8/05 20:54:20 Jana_in_Indiana: Although it is not easy to do we can spread this ourselves by allowing the moisture from one plant to enter another via any wound.
09/8/05 20:54:29 Jana_in_Indiana: If you want to test yourself  there are kits available from Cape Cod Violetry. Their address is Dept. AV, 28  Minot St., Falmouth, MA 02540.  Phone (508) 548-2798 or Fax 508.450.5427.
09/8/05 20:54:38 Jana_in_Indiana: questions?
09/8/05 20:55:00 Brenda___Al: do you test yours
09/8/05 20:55:01 Jana_in_Indiana: or too much info?
09/8/05 20:55:17 subversivegrrl: Jana, I'm late coming into the discussion, but what is the ultimate result of INSV infection?
09/8/05 20:55:36 Jana_in_Indiana: I do have a batch I've had in isolation for alomst a year, they don't look right, I am going to test them before taking out of isolation
09/8/05 20:55:54 Jana_in_Indiana: death to the plant, possible infection of your other plants
09/8/05 20:56:03 Jana_in_Indiana: no cure, must destroy the infected plants
09/8/05 20:56:29 Jana_in_Indiana: give me your e-mail address & I'll send you a copy of the chat log tomorrow
09/8/05 20:56:46 subversivegrrl: But if you've had plants for a year, wouldn't the virus have progressed to a point where the plants are dying?
09/8/05 20:57:22 subversivegrrl: Email is subversivegrrl@yahoo.com
09/8/05 20:57:24 Jana_in_Indiana: if you suspect any plant is infected, double bag it & wrap in newspapers, then trash it, do not compost any suspect plants, it will breed in your yard
09/8/05 20:57:53 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, I'll send it to you tomorrow, doesn't come till 3 am, LOL
09/8/05 20:58:52 Jana_in_Indiana: sometimes yes, sometimes no, it's possible for the infection to only be in one part of the plant, this one is weird!
09/8/05 20:59:20 Jana_in_Indiana: to me it seems like INSV for AV's is like AIDS for people, never the exact same thing
09/8/05 21:00:12 Jana_in_Indiana: I do have the CD from Cape Cod with instructions for using the INSV test kits
09/8/05 21:00:19 subversivegrrl: Thanks for the info - I'll look forward to reading the log.
09/8/05 21:00:34 Jana_in_Indiana: if I can, I'll download it & send it out to whomever wants it
09/8/05 21:00:43 Jana_in_Indiana: you're welcome
09/8/05 21:00:58 Jana_in_Indiana: I have a question for all of you
09/8/05 21:01:13 Kimberly_MD: Thanks for the info Jana,  I've got to get to bed.  Good night all!!!!
09/8/05 21:01:30 Brenda___Al: nite
09/8/05 21:01:33 Jana_in_Indiana: what if you test AV's in isolation & discover some plants do have INSV, do you tell or contact the person they came from?
09/8/05 21:01:35 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite
09/8/05 21:01:42 Kimberly_MD Logs Out
09/8/05 21:02:24 goJ62(Judi): yes
09/8/05 21:02:34 Brenda___Al: yes, sounds to serious to just over look
09/8/05 21:02:59 Jana_in_Indiana: how would you do that?  It's bound to cause problems
09/8/05 21:03:13 subversivegrrl: I think it would be only decent to let a grower know they've got a problem
09/8/05 21:03:37 goJ62(Judi): so would lossing a lot of plants
09/8/05 21:04:07 goJ62(Judi): here or wherever
09/8/05 21:04:20 Jana_in_Indiana: I've not had anything test positive, but pondered this question many times
09/8/05 21:04:34 Brenda___Al: send the plant back and let them test it
09/8/05 21:04:59 Jana_in_Indiana: they could always say it 'caught' the virus from my plants, right?
09/8/05 21:05:08 Brenda___Al: right
09/8/05 21:05:25 goJ62(Judi): I was real curios due to the fact I just lost such a beaty   still have no idea why
09/8/05 21:05:32 Jana_in_Indiana: I think many growers are in denial sometimes, regardless of the issue -- like dog breeders can get kennel blindness
09/8/05 21:05:37 subversivegrrl: I think as long as you were gracious about it - not saying "your plants are infected, I can't believe you're selling them!" but rather "I thought you might appreciate knowing that I think your plants have INSV" and qualify it by saying you had them isolatd
09/8/05 21:05:44 goJ62(Judi): beauty
09/8/05 21:06:13 Jana_in_Indiana: hopefully, I won't ever have to do it!
09/8/05 21:06:47 goJ62(Judi): hope no one does
09/8/05 21:06:48 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, one thing I forgot, the test kits need to be kept refrigerated
09/8/05 21:06:50 Brenda___Al: profit gets in the way of being honest
09/8/05 21:07:09 Jana_in_Indiana: that how mites & mealies spread!  ;)
09/8/05 21:07:55 subversivegrrl: Jana, those test kits only do one plant, don't they?
09/8/05 21:08:02 Jana_in_Indiana: Milli e, would you tell someone if you found their AV's had INSV?
09/8/05 21:08:10 Millie_Ca: Sorry but its been a long day and I need to get to bed. Great chat Jana and thanks I know we all learned a lot God Bless and Good Night
09/8/05 21:08:31 Millie_Ca: Bet I would in a heart beat
09/8/05 21:08:35 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, 1 test kit only test one sample, so be sure to choose the most sickly looking leaf & plant to test
09/8/05 21:08:42 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL  Milli e!
09/8/05 21:08:49 Millie_Ca Logs Out
09/8/05 21:08:50 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Millie!
09/8/05 21:09:22 subversivegrrl: I'm afraid I'm out of here too - thought I'd be home earlier, but glad I got in for some of it.
09/8/05 21:09:22 Jana_in_Indiana: any more questions?  About INSV or anything?
09/8/05 21:09:24 Brenda___Al: how much does the test cost
09/8/05 21:09:25 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite
09/8/05 21:09:32 subversivegrrl Logs Out
09/8/05 21:09:47 Jana_in_Indiana: I think it's $35 for 5 or 6 kits, also can order just 1, maybe $8?
09/8/05 21:09:52 Jana_in_Indiana: something like that
09/8/05 21:10:02 Brenda___Al: close enough
09/8/05 21:10:17 Jana_in_Indiana: but phone your order in to cape cod
09/8/05 21:10:35 Jana_in_Indiana: & pay by bank card, gets the order through to their attention
09/8/05 21:11:03 Jana_in_Indiana: did I post contact info for Cape Cod?
09/8/05 21:11:15 Brenda___Al: yes
09/8/05 21:11:47 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, I was trying to hurry & just don't remember, LOL
09/8/05 21:11:53 Brenda___Al: lol
09/8/05 21:12:31 Jana_in_Indiana: all the complete info is in the files, with photos of infected plants
09/8/05 21:12:58 Jana_in_Indiana: the main thing is:
09/8/05 21:13:08 Jana_in_Indiana: Get rid of thrips.   Do not do anything rash.  Take your time and make a plan to see if you might have this.   Isolate everything.
09/8/05 21:13:10 goJ62(Judi): good is this why you soak your new leaves in bleach water
09/8/05 21:13:20 Jana_in_Indiana: Stop trading plants with every one until you know you don’t have this.   Don’t accept e-mail trades because many people are newbies and do not know what they are risking.
09/8/05 21:13:39 Jana_in_Indiana: I actually was doing that before I ever heard of INSV
09/8/05 21:13:59 Jana_in_Indiana: it's part of the technique when doing tissue culture & I knew it would do any harm
09/8/05 21:14:13 Jana_in_Indiana: Do not be afraid to buy from our vendors.  Several of them test constantly to make sure their stock is virus-free.
09/8/05 21:14:24 Jana_in_Indiana: Some clear out their greenhouses each summer to start fresh stock.  They have learned how to win this game.
09/8/05 21:14:25 goJ62(Judi): so again how you mix your water with bleach for this
09/8/05 21:14:37 Jana_in_Indiana: If a plant does not look good, don’t accept it or purchase it.  Be smart.  If you have information or photos of this virus, please write or e-mail me.  Our violets and gesneriads are worth every growing trial and tribulation.
09/8/05 21:14:57 Jana_in_Indiana: 1/4 cup bleach & 2 1/4 cups water
09/8/05 21:15:13 Jana_in_Indiana: soak 3 minutes, rinse in plain water
09/8/05 21:15:33 Jana_in_Indiana: the bleach also kills bugs, but not bug eggs
09/8/05 21:15:54 Jana_in_Indiana: definitely cuts down on rot, fungus, mold & mildew too!
09/8/05 21:16:29 Brenda___Al: when you say our vendors, who do you mean
09/8/05 21:16:35 Jana_in_Indiana: soaking in sugar water first increases this effect
09/8/05 21:16:42 Jana_in_Indiana: commercial vendors
09/8/05 21:16:51 Brenda___Al: ok
09/8/05 21:17:06 Jana_in_Indiana: those whose livelyhood depends on their AV's
09/8/05 21:17:22 Jana_in_Indiana: not just hobbists, like more on e-bay are
09/8/05 21:17:38 Jana_in_Indiana: most*
09/8/05 21:17:49 Brenda___Al: if we knew a vendor has this, should we tell this group
09/8/05 21:18:25 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, but do it on www.violetreflections.com, not the yahoo groups -- also explain that you tested using the test kits
09/8/05 21:18:53 Jana_in_Indiana: they have a line that shows up to let you know it's a good test, so you won't have false positives
09/8/05 21:19:33 Brenda___Al: do you suspect someone now has this
09/8/05 21:20:04 Jana_in_Indiana: that's why one whole order is in isolation & has been since last October
09/8/05 21:20:53 Brenda___Al: so scary for the rest of your avs
09/8/05 21:21:02 Jana_in_Indiana: sealed air tight!  I won't open it inside to test, will take that whole tray outside, get a leaf then reseal it, I'm very leary of this bunch of plants, just sickly looking
09/8/05 21:21:17 Jana_in_Indiana: no really, when sealed air tight, nothing to worry about
09/8/05 21:21:41 Jana_in_Indiana: it's domed, taped 3 times to seal, then double bagged
09/8/05 21:22:02 Brenda___Al: in your case, I'd trashed them and just be done with it
09/8/05 21:22:27 Jana_in_Indiana: might do that in the end anyway, it's about 30 plants
09/8/05 21:23:03 Brenda___Al: not worth losing all your buckeyes and etc
09/8/05 21:23:21 Jana_in_Indiana: there are other viruses plants can get, will have to wait & see how they look
09/8/05 21:23:26 Jana_in_Indiana: no, it's not
09/8/05 21:24:01 Brenda___Al: assume you could reorder from someone else
09/8/05 21:24:14 Jana_in_Indiana: yes
09/8/05 21:25:04 Jana_in_Indiana: Judi, you still here?  You're awfully quiet
09/8/05 21:25:33 Brenda___Al: I know you don't feel good. its ok if you want to go
09/8/05 21:25:47 Jana_in_Indiana: I'll stay if you have more questions
09/8/05 21:25:50 goJ62(Judi): was just thinking about the risk we take and the troble we have to look for
09/8/05 21:26:27 Brenda___Al: sorta takes the fun out it
09/8/05 21:26:29 Jana_in_Indiana: just don't panic, & remember, our AV's are well worth it!
09/8/05 21:26:34 goJ62(Judi): would have a fit if got a mess like that
09/8/05 21:27:16 Jana_in_Indiana: but you have issues no matter what you choose, dogs & genetic problems, cats too, pocket pets, all have things you have to watch for
09/8/05 21:27:24 Jana_in_Indiana: me too!
09/8/05 21:27:45 Brenda___Al: lot of money tied up and nothing to show for it when you get a bug
09/8/05 21:27:52 Jana_in_Indiana: at least AV's don't get VD!  LOL!
09/8/05 21:27:59 Brenda___Al: lol
09/8/05 21:28:03 Brenda___Al: lol
09/8/05 21:28:13 goJ62(Judi): how well i know   vet got a 100.00 out of me last week   again
09/8/05 21:28:18 Brenda___Al: good laugh
09/8/05 21:28:48 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, vets are almost as expensive as our own Dr's!   *)
09/8/05 21:29:05 Jana_in_Indiana: if there's nothing else, I'll be going
09/8/05 21:29:13 Brenda___Al: and having 4 dogs don't help
09/8/05 21:29:23 Jana_in_Indiana: no, it doesn't!
09/8/05 21:29:29 Brenda___Al: hope you feel better soon, nite
09/8/05 21:29:34 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks!
09/8/05 21:29:35 goJ62(Judi): yea they are   do either of you,ll what to do about knats   never had so bad as this year
09/8/05 21:29:51 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Brends & Judi!
09/8/05 21:29:59 Jana_in_Indiana: do you use Marathon?
09/8/05 21:30:10 goJ62(Judi): nite   yea
09/8/05 21:30:33 Jana_in_Indiana: if you're getting gnats, it's time to repot & reapply the Marathon, it kills them
09/8/05 21:30:48 Jana_in_Indiana: larve live in the soil
09/8/05 21:31:18 goJ62(Judi): ok will do but think most is from fig tree   hope so anyway
09/8/05 21:31:38 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite ladies!
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09/8/05 21:31:45 Brenda___Al: nite
09/8/05 21:32:15 Brenda___Al: I plan to repot this weekend
09/8/05 21:32:37 goJ62(Judi): boy on boy  guess i will too but most are new anyway
09/8/05 21:33:11 Brenda___Al: Its time foe my avs
09/8/05 21:34:11 goJ62(Judi): guess better get to bed got to go yard sailing in a.m. plus greo etc
09/8/05 21:34:15 Brenda___Al: after dipping with the avid, I'm ready to get them cleaned up
09/8/05 21:34:32 Brenda___Al: have fun and good night
09/8/05 21:34:40 goJ62(Judi): got to get some coffee and stock up before it goes up LOL
09/8/05 21:35:01 Brenda___Al: me to. see you later
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09/8/05 21:35:14 goJ62(Judi): nite take care
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09/9/05 02:45:21 Jana_in_Indiana: sorry, just reloading ;)
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