08/18/05 18:55:43 Millie_Ca Logs in [66.215.46.114]
08/18/05 19:01:29 Millie_Ca Logs Out
08/18/05 19:44:49 Jana_in_Indiana Logs in [172.193.137.242]
08/18/05 19:49:46 Login Failure for _ [12.203.138.143]
08/18/05 19:50:01 adgjoan Logs in [12.203.138.143]
08/18/05 19:50:18 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Joan!
08/18/05 19:50:26 Jana_in_Indiana: BRB
08/18/05 19:50:33 adgjoan: hi jana
08/18/05 19:51:15 adgjoan: what are we talking about tonight?
08/18/05 19:51:58 Tony_IL Logs in [207.43.75.34]
08/18/05 19:52:37 Tony_IL: hi Jana and Joan
08/18/05 19:53:10 Tony_IL: Steve is her later. Right?
08/18/05 19:53:19 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Tony!
08/18/05 19:53:31 Jana_in_Indiana: yup, Steve Reed is guest speaker
08/18/05 19:53:55 Jana_in_Indiana: I sent him reminders 3 times this wekk, hope he got them, no replies
08/18/05 19:54:07 Tony_IL: should be educational
08/18/05 19:55:45 Tony_IL: ran out of fuel on the grill so had to use the stove. First tie this summer. LOL
08/18/05 19:55:53 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
08/18/05 19:56:23 Tony_IL: hate to wash pans
08/18/05 19:56:40 Jana_in_Indiana: I keep a spare tank filled so we won't have that problem again
08/18/05 19:56:45 Jana_in_Indiana: me too T!
08/18/05 19:57:13 Jana_in_Indiana: hate washing any dishes, I do it, but hate it!  Love to dirty them cooking though ;)
08/18/05 19:57:49 Jana_in_Indiana: Joan, have you seen Steve's site, steverd.com?
08/18/05 19:58:05 Tony_IL: thing I really hate is folding sox
08/18/05 19:58:11 tee7202_IL Logs in [67.184.133.223]
08/18/05 19:58:22 Tony_IL: hi Tanya
08/18/05 19:58:22 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Tonya!
08/18/05 19:58:27 tee7202_IL: Hello
08/18/05 19:58:35 Tony_IL: or is it Tanya?
08/18/05 19:58:43 tee7202_IL: Tonya
08/18/05 19:59:25 tee7202_IL: has the chat started
08/18/05 19:59:38 Jana_in_Indiana: not yet, 3 minutes
08/18/05 19:59:43 Tony_IL: not yet
08/18/05 20:00:42 adgjoan: Tony we have not used the grill all summer cause every time we go to ise it there is a birds nest in it!!
08/18/05 20:01:00 Jana_in_Indiana: sure hope he hasn't gone on vacation or something
08/18/05 20:01:20 tee7202_IL: My neighbors found a nest in their grill they took it out
08/18/05 20:01:23 del_SK Logs in [70.64.104.142]
08/18/05 20:01:29 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi De l!
08/18/05 20:01:45 goj62(Judi) Logs in [172.147.92.186]
08/18/05 20:01:48 Jana_in_Indiana: how's your eye?
08/18/05 20:01:50 adgjoan: Steve's site is awsome. I have kearned a lot of things from it.
08/18/05 20:01:51 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Judi!
08/18/05 20:02:13 Tony_IL: hi ya Rooster
08/18/05 20:02:13 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, his site is wonderful for disgnosing problems
08/18/05 20:02:24 Tony_IL: hi Judi
08/18/05 20:02:33 Jana_in_Indiana: diagnosing*
08/18/05 20:02:33 del_SK: Hi Everyone
08/18/05 20:02:43 Joyce Logs in [70.249.148.236]
08/18/05 20:02:49 del_SK: got it covered  still hard to see anything
08/18/05 20:02:50 Brenda___Al Logs in [12.217.40.181]
08/18/05 20:02:51 goj62(Judi): hi folks
08/18/05 20:02:58 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Joyce & Brenda!
08/18/05 20:03:06 Brenda___Al: hello all
08/18/05 20:03:13 Joyce: Hi everyone
08/18/05 20:03:21 tee7202_IL: hello
08/18/05 20:03:37 Tony_IL: hi Brenda
08/18/05 20:04:02 Brenda___Al: hello Tony, you ready for the bugs
08/18/05 20:04:08 del_SK: found it rook long to get in here tonight 20 minutes
08/18/05 20:04:13 Peggy_in_Pa Logs in [207.172.119.154]
08/18/05 20:04:20 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Peggy!
08/18/05 20:04:27 del_SK: Hi Peggy
08/18/05 20:04:29 Tony_IL: hi Petty
08/18/05 20:04:34 Peggy_in_Pa: Hi Everyone
08/18/05 20:04:37 goj62(Judi): hi peggy
08/18/05 20:04:56 Tony_IL: Don't want any bugs, but thanks for asking LOL
08/18/05 20:05:11 Brenda___Al: good evening Judi
08/18/05 20:05:12 Jana_in_Indiana: wonder why it took so long De l?  Someone empty your temp. internet files?
08/18/05 20:05:35 Steverd Logs in [67.185.124.42]
08/18/05 20:05:44 del_SK: yes harry has been cleaning up puter tonight
08/18/05 20:05:44 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Steve!
08/18/05 20:05:50 goj62(Judi): hello Steve
08/18/05 20:05:53 del_SK: Hi Steve
08/18/05 20:05:54 Jana_in_Indiana: that will do it De l!
08/18/05 20:05:59 Steverd: Hi, just got home from work!
08/18/05 20:06:01 Peggy_in_Pa: Hi Steve
08/18/05 20:06:09 Tony_IL: Hi Steve
08/18/05 20:06:11 Jana_in_Indiana: glad you made it!
08/18/05 20:06:25 Jana_in_Indiana: Judi, that color is difficult to read
08/18/05 20:06:26 del_SK: it needed it Jana was real slow doing anything
08/18/05 20:06:34 Steverd: Tony did you every find those pots you asked about?
08/18/05 20:06:50 Luana_BC_Canada Logs in [207.34.157.106]
08/18/05 20:06:52 Jana_in_Indiana: I empty mine once a week De l, and them go to the chat room to let it reload
08/18/05 20:06:57 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Luana!
08/18/05 20:07:04 goj62(Judi): ok
08/18/05 20:07:10 Luana_BC_Canada: Hi Jana
08/18/05 20:07:16 victoria Logs in [209.43.56.215]
08/18/05 20:07:19 Tony_IL: yes got them from Cape Cod
08/18/05 20:07:21 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Victoria!
08/18/05 20:07:29 Kimberly_MD Logs in [12.77.46.84]
08/18/05 20:07:35 victoria: hi all
08/18/05 20:07:38 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Kimberly!
08/18/05 20:07:40 del_SK: oh jana the  superthrive we get here has different ingrediances than yours has and it does say 1/4 TSP per gallon
08/18/05 20:07:46 Tony_IL: hi ladies
08/18/05 20:07:52 sherry__(Mo) Logs in [172.153.249.227]
08/18/05 20:07:56 Kimberly_MD: Hello Jana!  Hello Everyone!
08/18/05 20:07:57 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, that's what the difference must be De l!
08/18/05 20:08:03 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Sherry!
08/18/05 20:08:06 del_SK: Hi Sherry,
08/18/05 20:08:15 Luana_BC_Canada: Hi Tony and Sherry
08/18/05 20:08:16 Steverd: Tony - OK, the place I was thinking about is OBC Greenhouse, but not sure they had the right pots for you
08/18/05 20:08:22 sherry__(Mo): Hi everyone!! Sorry I'm running late
08/18/05 20:08:33 Jana_in_Indiana: so if you get SUPERthrive in USA, use 1 drop & if in Canada use 1/4 teaspoon, LOL!
08/18/05 20:08:35 del_SK: it uses IBA plus liguid "B"1 jana
08/18/05 20:08:47 goj62(Judi): hope this is better
08/18/05 20:08:52 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, sounds better than what we get!
08/18/05 20:08:54 del_SK: looks that way jana
08/18/05 20:08:57 Tony_IL: bwell Steve, what do we need to watch for?
08/18/05 20:09:00 Jana_in_Indiana: much better, thanks Judi!
08/18/05 20:09:09 tee7202_IL: much better Judi
08/18/05 20:09:13 Millie_Ca Logs in [66.215.46.114]
08/18/05 20:09:18 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Millie!
08/18/05 20:09:25 Tony_IL: hi Millie
08/18/05 20:09:32 Luana_BC_Canada: Hi Millie
08/18/05 20:09:34 Peggy_in_Pa: HI Millie
08/18/05 20:09:35 Millie_Ca: Hi Everyone
08/18/05 20:09:38 sherry__(Mo): Hi stranger!!
08/18/05 20:09:43 del_SK: remember when I was making superthrive I was using the IBA and "B" 1 tablets
08/18/05 20:09:56 del_SK: hello sweat hart Millie
08/18/05 20:09:58 Jana_in_Indiana: Steve, we'll begin about 15 after, so everyone can get in, OK?
08/18/05 20:10:17 Millie_Ca: great I was afraid I missed some.
08/18/05 20:10:19 Jana_in_Indiana: yes De l, I do remember & willow branches
08/18/05 20:10:23 tee7202_IL: how do you make superthrive
08/18/05 20:10:30 Tony_IL: Steve, are the plants in a greenhouse or indoors?
08/18/05 20:10:33 sherry__(Mo): How's everything been going Steve?
08/18/05 20:10:39 nCheryl-TX Logs in [68.94.63.37]
08/18/05 20:10:45 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Cheryl!
08/18/05 20:10:52 Millie_Ca: Hi Cheryl
08/18/05 20:10:53 Tony_IL: hi Cheryl
08/18/05 20:10:53 sherry__(Mo): Hi Cheryl
08/18/05 20:10:58 del_SK: right  now going to try it again using  the liguid and just IBA see what happens Jana
08/18/05 20:10:59 nCheryl-TX: hello all
08/18/05 20:11:10 del_SK: Hi Chryl
08/18/05 20:11:17 Jana_in_Indiana: let us know your results please De l?
08/18/05 20:11:45 Steverd: Tony, ALL my plants are currently inside, most basement rec room,
08/18/05 20:11:49 del_SK: yes but will  not say much till I have used it for at least 3 months
08/18/05 20:11:55 Jana_in_Indiana: wow, 16 people here already!
08/18/05 20:12:19 Jana_in_Indiana: right, I understand De l, takes a while for changes to appear
08/18/05 20:12:23 sherry__(Mo): great turn out!!
08/18/05 20:12:41 del_SK: and I want to make sure one way or the other Jana
08/18/05 20:12:49 Jana_in_Indiana: hope we don't scare Steve off!  LOL
08/18/05 20:12:52 Steverd: Sherry - I've been busy, so much work to do...
08/18/05 20:12:54 Joyce: There's oin o be a l o learn onih
08/18/05 20:12:57 Jana_in_Indiana: good idea, De l!
08/18/05 20:13:05 tee7202_IL: de how do you make superthrive
08/18/05 20:13:12 del_SK: hows Rod doing Sherry
08/18/05 20:13:23 Brenda___Al: well, we all may be worry about bugs or Steve might be a nice person lol
08/18/05 20:13:25 Okie Logs in [68.12.41.9]
08/18/05 20:13:28 Jana_in_Indiana: what kind of work Steve?
08/18/05 20:13:31 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Okie!
08/18/05 20:13:35 del_SK: Hi Okie
08/18/05 20:13:41 tee7202_IL: Hi Okie
08/18/05 20:13:48 Steverd: I haven't used Superthrive in years, what rate are people using? 1 drop per gallon?
08/18/05 20:13:52 Okie: Hello everyone, guess I'm a little late
08/18/05 20:13:53 Tony_IL: hi Charlene
08/18/05 20:13:57 sherry__(Mo): he's doing a little better Del-thanks for asking
08/18/05 20:14:20 Jana_in_Indiana: in US, 1 drop per gallon, in CA it's different formula, use 1/4 teaspoon
08/18/05 20:14:22 Okie: Full house for you Steve :)
08/18/05 20:14:24 del_SK: glad to hear it Sherry say hello to him for Irene and I
08/18/05 20:14:34 sherry__(Mo): sure will Del-thanks
08/18/05 20:14:53 sherry__(Mo): And Stebve-Jana and I will try to be good tonight-LOL
08/18/05 20:15:16 Jana_in_Indiana: yes we will!  For a little while anyway!  :D
08/18/05 20:15:18 del_SK: IMPOSIBLE SHERRY ROTFLOL
08/18/05 20:15:28 Millie_Ca: LOL
08/18/05 20:15:39 sherry__(Mo): LOL
08/18/05 20:15:50 Jana_in_Indiana: it's 15 after, should we start?
08/18/05 20:16:05 del_SK: sure
08/18/05 20:16:20 Jana_in_Indiana: go for it Steve, begin where ever you please
08/18/05 20:16:35 del_SK: what is the subject steve
08/18/05 20:17:13 Brenda___Al: can't help but feel sorry fot him, with this group lol
08/18/05 20:17:54 Jana_in_Indiana: for anyone who hasn't been there, Steve has wonderful photos & info for diagnosing AV problems on his site:http://www.steverd.com/violets/
08/18/05 20:18:01 Steverd: OK,  don't haven't anything prepared, sorry, but I go over some of my insect control and answer questions
08/18/05 20:18:12 Steverd: It's also now: www.reedsgreenhouse.com
08/18/05 20:18:13 Jana_in_Indiana: sounds good Steve!
08/18/05 20:18:24 del_SK: Luana where in B C are you I am in Saskatoon Sask ????
08/18/05 20:18:24 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, my mistake!  Sorry!
08/18/05 20:18:39 Jana_in_Indiana: what is your seller ID on ebay Steve?
08/18/05 20:19:03 Luana_BC_Canada: Masset, off the northern coast of BC
08/18/05 20:19:04 Steverd: on Ebay: Steverd - I have a few plants on there now,
08/18/05 20:19:20 Jana_in_Indiana: great!
08/18/05 20:19:49 del_SK: great to have another canadian on here Luana
08/18/05 20:19:51 Luana_BC_Canada: IT's on an Island  called the Queen Charlotte Islands
08/18/05 20:19:57 Luana_BC_Canada: THanks, Del
08/18/05 20:20:03 Peggy_in_Pa: Jana Is this chat going to be in the file?
08/18/05 20:20:07 del_SK: ok know where you are then
08/18/05 20:20:13 Jana_in_Indiana: yes Peggy
08/18/05 20:20:13 sherry__(Mo): An island-how neat!!
08/18/05 20:20:39 Tony_IL: later guys, t-storms
08/18/05 20:20:42 Jana_in_Indiana: what's the best way to prevent bugs Steve?
08/18/05 20:20:44 Jana_in_Indiana: bye T
08/18/05 20:20:45 Tony_IL Logs Out
08/18/05 20:20:46 Steverd: Currently I'm using yellow and blue sticky traps for insect control, and monitoring.
08/18/05 20:20:46 Luana_BC_Canada: I love it but it is very Isolated
08/18/05 20:21:03 Jana_in_Indiana: monitoring how?
08/18/05 20:21:03 del_SK: the bought one steve????
08/18/05 20:21:35 Steverd: Yes, actually the traps that I have on my web page, in the supply section
08/18/05 20:21:39 del_SK: ever make your own steve using vasiline for the sticky material???
08/18/05 20:22:03 Brenda___Al: what is the yellow one for
08/18/05 20:22:14 Steverd: Yes - I even have tanglefoot that I can put on yellow solo cups, and it works very well also
08/18/05 20:22:30 Okie: What do you catch with them?
08/18/05 20:22:33 del_SK: have used it  works great
08/18/05 20:23:03 Steverd: Right now It's fungus gnats, they seem to love all of my orchid babies, it must be the
08/18/05 20:23:06 Steverd: bark
08/18/05 20:23:07 Peggy_in_Pa: What is tangelfoot
08/18/05 20:23:24 Okie: Are they for flying buggers, do thrips fly???
08/18/05 20:23:39 Jana_in_Indiana: it's used on trees to prevent crawling bugs from going up the trunk Peggy
08/18/05 20:23:42 Okie: is that a stupid question
08/18/05 20:23:43 Steverd: But I'm also using GNATROL when I water them. Plus I have a few Sundew plants but them that catch them
08/18/05 20:24:07 sherry__(Mo): where do you get Sundew Plants?
08/18/05 20:24:15 Cathy_Ohio Logs in [172.154.31.46]
08/18/05 20:24:19 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Cathy!
08/18/05 20:24:27 del_SK: Hi Cathy
08/18/05 20:24:41 Cathy_Ohio: Hi Jana and del
08/18/05 20:24:46 Steverd: Tanglefoot is SUPER sticky, try not to get it on your fingers, because you will stick to stuff (it's not glue though)
08/18/05 20:24:47 Jana_in_Indiana: hint:  if you get the sticky stuff on you, use vegetable oil to remove it easily
08/18/05 20:24:55 Brenda___Al: not to me Okie it wasn't
08/18/05 20:24:56 Steverd: Sundews off of Ebay
08/18/05 20:25:04 Okie: :)
08/18/05 20:25:09 Millie_Ca: Is that Joyce in Michigan?
08/18/05 20:25:21 sherry__(Mo): Thanks Steve
08/18/05 20:25:24 Steverd: Thrips are also attracted to Sundew plants
08/18/05 20:25:35 Brenda___Al: where do you get tanglefoot
08/18/05 20:25:37 Joyce: Joyce in Texas
08/18/05 20:25:39 Okie: But do the sticky tapes catch thrips?
08/18/05 20:25:47 Millie_Ca: OK Thanks Joyce
08/18/05 20:25:53 Jana_in_Indiana: how do we ID what sticks to the traps?  I've seen fly traps & the bugs are a mess
08/18/05 20:25:55 del_SK: sure do Okie
08/18/05 20:26:07 Steverd: The BLUE sticky traps are made for Thrips, but you can catch them with both yellow and blue traps
08/18/05 20:26:26 Okie: Just one hung on a shelf????
08/18/05 20:26:37 Okie: That's what I have heard
08/18/05 20:27:02 Steverd: I put them on the ends of my shelves, hanging down, they are kind of ugly, but at least they are safe to use in the house
08/18/05 20:27:24 tee7202_IL: what do you hang the trap with or can they lay on the self
08/18/05 20:27:30 Peggy_in_Pa: Are these sticky traps made to control the thrips or just to let you know you have them
08/18/05 20:27:48 del_SK: both Peggy
08/18/05 20:27:48 Steverd: To hang, I use a paper clip and some string
08/18/05 20:28:00 Joyce: How easy, of difficult is it to get thrips, or mites, or any other bug, for that matter, if plants are in air condition on lighted stands?
08/18/05 20:28:10 Jana_in_Indiana: some come with a wire thingy that hold it & you stick the end in a pot
08/18/05 20:28:37 Steverd: the traps are most of a monitor, and some control, but not a 100% thrip control, that would be more AVID, or Conserve
08/18/05 20:28:48 Okie: I don't know if anyone has tried these, but Wally World has some packages of designer sticky sheets a box of like 5 for .98 don't know what the ones you talk about cost?
08/18/05 20:28:57 del_SK: come in through the screen on anopen window or on you
08/18/05 20:29:29 Jana_in_Indiana: or on pets
08/18/05 20:29:46 del_SK: or cut flowers from outside
08/18/05 20:29:46 Steverd: Agree - Thrips are SUPER easy to get in the summer,  they can even enter the house on your pets, your clothes, etc
08/18/05 20:30:04 Okie: Or plants you bring into the house
08/18/05 20:30:14 Okie: Isolate, Isolate
08/18/05 20:30:21 Okie: LOL
08/18/05 20:30:26 Steverd: Plants like cut Roses from your yard is very common
08/18/05 20:30:27 Jana_in_Indiana: Steve, I've read that they can hitch a ride on a fly or moth -- mites too, is it true?
08/18/05 20:31:12 Steverd: Jana - I read this someplace also, and it does sound very possible
08/18/05 20:31:20 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks!
08/18/05 20:31:55 tee7202_IL: Steve do you add anything to you soil or spray for bugs
08/18/05 20:32:07 Okie: Steve do you use preventative measures like marathon?
08/18/05 20:32:39 Steverd: I have started to use Marathon granules, and really like them when I repot now.
08/18/05 20:33:08 Jana_in_Indiana: Marathon isn't effective to prevent mites is it?
08/18/05 20:33:10 Joyce: How does Marathon help you?
08/18/05 20:33:25 Steverd: Marathon will not help with mites. correct
08/18/05 20:33:38 Jana_in_Indiana: Marathon is a systemic preventative, is absorbed by the roots into the plant
08/18/05 20:33:44 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
08/18/05 20:34:03 Brenda___Al: how would you treat new leaves that come in the mail
08/18/05 20:34:04 Peggy_in_Pa: Prevents what?
08/18/05 20:34:05 Steverd: Marathon will kill and prevent soil mealie bugs
08/18/05 20:34:28 Okie: Fungus Gnats
08/18/05 20:34:29 tee7202_IL: What prevents mites
08/18/05 20:34:30 Steverd: I dip ALL new leaves and plants into my house with AVID and them add marathon if it's a plant
08/18/05 20:35:34 Jana_in_Indiana: dip how many time?  What is the mixture of avid & water  & do you add a drop of soap?
08/18/05 20:35:35 Steverd: I think the only thing that will prevent mites is to isolate ALL new plant material into the house, but there is no real systemic control for cyclamen mites
08/18/05 20:35:49 Walt_in_Md Logs in [24.35.119.251]
08/18/05 20:35:53 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Walt!
08/18/05 20:35:57 del_SK: Hi Walt
08/18/05 20:36:02 Okie: What is the ratio when mixing AVid?
08/18/05 20:36:12 Okie: hi walt
08/18/05 20:36:19 Walt_in_Md: Hi all
08/18/05 20:36:21 Steverd: Avid 1/4 tsp. gallon of water for mites or 1/2 tsp gallon for thrips (that a spray for thrips)
08/18/05 20:36:26 sherry__(Mo): Hi Walt!
08/18/05 20:36:49 Okie: Okay, Jana do you still have Avid available?
08/18/05 20:37:01 Jana_in_Indiana: do you add a drop of soap for a spreader / sticker?
08/18/05 20:37:04 tee7202_IL: is avid a preventative or treatment
08/18/05 20:37:14 Jana_in_Indiana: yes Charlene!
08/18/05 20:37:24 Steverd: I do not add any soap to my dips, but add a few drops when I spray
08/18/05 20:37:36 Okie: I want some, I will check your price tomorrow and send you a check :)
08/18/05 20:37:40 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks!
08/18/05 20:37:48 Jana_in_Indiana: ok Okie!
08/18/05 20:38:06 Steverd: AVID is a treatment, Do not use Avid unless you know 100% that you need to, like have mites
08/18/05 20:38:47 Brenda___Al: what do you do on a monthly routine to prevent bugs
08/18/05 20:38:48 del_SK: what you use for aphids steve
08/18/05 20:38:50 Okie: How exactly do you know 100% you have mites?
08/18/05 20:38:52 Millie_Ca: What about on new planrs and leaves coming in?
08/18/05 20:39:26 Steverd: I've never had to control Aphids, but soap and water would be what I would use
08/18/05 20:39:32 Jana_in_Indiana: Steve, are other pesticides that say they kill mite any good for cyclamen & broad mites?  Like Malathion?
08/18/05 20:39:58 Kimberly_MD Logs Out
08/18/05 20:40:56 Steverd: I think most pesticides that say they kill mites, ONLY kill spider mites,  Cycalmen mites are much harder to kill then Spider mites
08/18/05 20:42:04 Okie: How do you know you have mites for 100% sure???
08/18/05 20:42:12 del_SK: Ambush will kill cycalmen mites
08/18/05 20:42:27 tee7202_IL: lol
08/18/05 20:42:39 Steverd: Cylamen mites need something stronger like Kelthane, Avid, Floramite, Akari, Pylon
08/18/05 20:43:14 Steverd: To know 100% you have cyclamen mite, you would have to see them, you need a magnafying glass for that
08/18/05 20:43:15 del_SK: are all those ones safe for violets????
08/18/05 20:43:38 Okie: thanks
08/18/05 20:43:51 Steverd: I know people that have used all of the above for mite control,,  I
08/18/05 20:44:10 del_SK: ok thanks
08/18/05 20:44:13 Jana_in_Indiana: exactly where do we look on the leaf when looking for mites?
08/18/05 20:45:01 Steverd: I look on the blooms, on the backs of leaves, on the steams of leaves, on the steams by the soil, they do like to hind, and they can move pretty fast from the light
08/18/05 20:45:10 Millie_Ca: Thank You Steve
08/18/05 20:45:43 Steverd: I also use a 20x lens to search for them,
08/18/05 20:46:05 Jana_in_Indiana: you said you dip or spray new leaves or plants, is that once or how many time & how far apart?
08/18/05 20:46:27 Peggy_in_Pa: I am in the process of spray all my plants with malathon, I have seen some thrips. It is a big job. Is there something I sould used for an over all control spray
08/18/05 20:46:31 Okie: And is that only if you see mites first Steve?
08/18/05 20:46:37 Steverd: I dip the plants 3x and leaves usually just once or twice, BUT they are ALL isolated for further inspections
08/18/05 20:47:20 Jana_in_Indiana: how long do you isolate them?
08/18/05 20:47:26 Steverd: No I treat ALL new plants into the house., African violet s and Orchids,
08/18/05 20:47:56 Steverd: Isolate as long as you can, I know people that isolate for 6 months and then still found mites on the plants after that time
08/18/05 20:47:58 Okie: With Avid?
08/18/05 20:48:17 Steverd: New plants are all treat with Avid yes.
08/18/05 20:48:25 Okie: Ok thanks Steve
08/18/05 20:48:27 Brenda___Al: once you have a gallon of avid, will it keep until used up
08/18/05 20:48:47 tee7202_IL: when you say dip are you saying you physically turn the plant over
08/18/05 20:48:50 Steverd: Avid is only good for a few hours after mixing it.
08/18/05 20:49:37 Steverd: To dip, I use chemical gloves, and turn the plant upside down and then dip down to the soil line, up and down a few times and then remove to dry out in a sink
08/18/05 20:50:24 Peggy_in_Pa: what about the soil
08/18/05 20:50:25 Jana_in_Indiana: don't need to saturate the soil?
08/18/05 20:51:05 Steverd: The soil gets a little wet, but cyclamen mites, don't live in the soil, and I add marathon to the soil
08/18/05 20:51:17 Brenda___Al: what can avid do to the skin
08/18/05 20:51:23 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks
08/18/05 20:52:06 Steverd: Avid is poisonous, so never let it on your skin, I use long sleeves and big green chemical gloves when using it
08/18/05 20:52:40 Steverd: Your body can absorb Avid through the skin, that's not good
08/18/05 20:52:58 Steverd: (I read that someplace!)
08/18/05 20:53:27 Okie: So when thinking of taking some plants out of isolation, I should do just one at a time, really searching it for mites with a 20X microscope? Should you change the soil out and rinse off the roots too at that time, even if you changed the soil when you rec
08/18/05 20:53:31 del_SK: everyone should have chemical gloves in the plant room to use and if you get even a small tear in them throw them out buy new ones
08/18/05 20:53:32 Brenda___Al: I dipped today and didn't wear gloves....deep do do now
08/18/05 20:53:44 Jana_in_Indiana: is there any treatment for nematodes?  I know of one gal the bought soil with worm castings & after watering a pot of soil (no plant) found tiny clear worms
08/18/05 20:54:21 Walt_in_Md: You need to be careful with all of the poisons for insects as most can be absorbed as Steve said through the skin. A lot of them can build up in the body and cause all kinds of health problems.
08/18/05 20:54:43 Steverd: I believe that Orthene is good for those tiny worms and springtails
08/18/05 20:54:53 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks
08/18/05 20:54:59 Jana_in_Indiana: right Walt!
08/18/05 20:55:21 Okie: I guess chemical gloves aren;t the playtex type right :p
08/18/05 20:55:26 victoria: i read somewhere that violets are somewhat toxic. please advise.
08/18/05 20:55:49 Okie: I know they have been toxic to my checkbook  lol
08/18/05 20:55:50 Jana_in_Indiana: Steve, I've read about liquid Marathon, why & how would we need it?
08/18/05 20:55:57 Peggy_in_Pa: are there any non-toxic thing we can use to keep our violets free of insects?
08/18/05 20:56:00 Jana_in_Indiana: no, violets are not toxic
08/18/05 20:56:00 Steverd: It's also worth noting, that any chemical I use on my plants, it have the MSDS printed out for that item (Material Safety data sheet)
08/18/05 20:56:21 victoria: thanks jana
08/18/05 20:56:42 del_SK: I buy my chemical gloves from safty supply
08/18/05 20:56:43 Jana_in_Indiana: you're welcome!
08/18/05 20:56:50 Steverd: Non toxics I use are the sticky traps, sundew plants, soap and water controls ALOT of insects
08/18/05 20:57:04 Jana_in_Indiana: how does water control them?
08/18/05 20:57:30 Cathy_Ohio: del are the chemical gloves clumsy?
08/18/05 20:57:37 Steverd: I've never used liquid marathon, and I don't know of any good advantages of it over the granules, sorry
08/18/05 20:57:49 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks
08/18/05 20:58:14 Jana_in_Indiana: could you explain your soap & water control?
08/18/05 20:58:15 Steverd: Cathy, my chemical gloves feel ALOT like those yellow dish washing gloves you can find at the store,
08/18/05 20:58:28 del_SK: no they come in all sizes just get a pair that fits you good they cost about 9 bucks here but well worth it and lasta long time
08/18/05 20:58:41 Brenda___Al: what does the sundew plant do and can it get bugs
08/18/05 20:58:49 Cathy_Ohio: thank you both!
08/18/05 20:59:40 Jana_in_Indiana: it eats bugs Brenda
08/18/05 20:59:48 Walt_in_Md: I like to use the latex chemical gloves that are cheap and you toss after use.
08/18/05 20:59:52 Steverd: I love Sundew plants, insects are attached them them from the color or scent but they work just like a living sticky trap, they are so cool!!
08/18/05 20:59:55 Cathy_Ohio: Brenda go to ebay and look at one
08/18/05 21:00:00 Cathy_Ohio: they look sticky
08/18/05 21:00:22 Brenda___Al: thanks
08/18/05 21:00:24 Cathy_Ohio: steverd you have no problem growing them?
08/18/05 21:01:05 Steverd: Sundew plants need ALOT of humidity to keep alive though, so I grow them in semi opened containers that keeps the humidity up and gnats in
08/18/05 21:01:29 Cathy_Ohio: do they need to eat bugs to live?
08/18/05 21:01:38 Jana_in_Indiana: Steve, could you explain your soap & water control?
08/18/05 21:02:41 Steverd: Eating bugs does feed them, but you shouldn't use fertilizer on a sundew, also they need distilled water or RO water
08/18/05 21:03:22 Steverd: I really don't use much soap and water, but it would be my choice for aphid control, it would also kill thrips and gnats if sprayed directly
08/18/05 21:03:33 Steverd: on them
08/18/05 21:03:47 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, ok
08/18/05 21:04:07 adgjoan Logs Out
08/18/05 21:04:08 Steverd: ALso  my local extention office likes to recommend soap and water for killing mites, BUT I don't know how well that really works
08/18/05 21:04:22 Jana_in_Indiana: I know you sell AV's on ebay Steve, is there anything special you do with leaves before shipping?
08/18/05 21:04:34 Peggy_in_Pa: Ow do you spray directly on the thrips? where do they live?
08/18/05 21:05:10 Peggy_in_Pa: How*
08/18/05 21:05:20 del_SK: do  you use water straight from tap or luke warm water steve
08/18/05 21:05:21 Cathy_Ohio: I know soap and water kills bugs on my veggies
08/18/05 21:05:41 Steverd: I've been shipping leaves ALL summer long, even in the 90+ temp and what I do, is to bee sure that the plant is watered well, I pick a nice looking leaf, toss into a labelled bag and close,
08/18/05 21:05:51 Jana_in_Indiana: same principal Cathy, soap film suffocates them
08/18/05 21:06:02 Steverd: Nothing else special, in the heat do not add water paper onver the cut ends
08/18/05 21:06:37 Jana_in_Indiana: how do you keep them alive in 90+ degrees?  Many people are getting mush!
08/18/05 21:06:48 Steverd: I use water directly from the Tap, I have far too many plants/trays to water to do anything special, I have to keep things as simply as possible
08/18/05 21:07:27 Steverd: Leaves will arrive MUSHY if you add water, or a damp paper towl over the end,
08/18/05 21:08:05 Steverd: I had this problem about 2 years ago, and as soon as I stopped using a damp piece of paper towel over the cut ends, ALL of my mushy leaves stopped also
08/18/05 21:08:11 Jana_in_Indiana: I sent a box last week, 4 were mush on arrival, nothing on the ends, just leaf into baggie
08/18/05 21:08:25 del_SK: ever try dipping shipping leaves in  just rooting hormone let air dry then ship works great for me steve
08/18/05 21:08:26 Cathy_Ohio: the last leaves I recieved were in baggies and then wrapped in this insulated stuff in a small box
08/18/05 21:09:03 Okie: Were they in good shape Cathy?
08/18/05 21:09:19 Steverd: Jana, that's what I do, I pluck from the plant and toss in the bag, ALSO I fold over the end of the sandwich bag and stable it, it's not as air tight as a zip lock, but works great and cheaper than zip lock bags
08/18/05 21:09:23 Cathy_Ohio: Okie, all of them were in good shape
08/18/05 21:09:51 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, maybe that's the difference, I used zip loc bags
08/18/05 21:10:16 Cathy_Ohio: mine were not in zip lock either
08/18/05 21:10:44 Cathy_Ohio: but the first set I got were in small zip lock baggies
08/18/05 21:10:56 Steverd: I don't use zip lock bags, since they  cost more than the cheapy sandwich bags
08/18/05 21:10:58 Peggy_in_Pa: Is this year round  or just summer shipping
08/18/05 21:11:06 Walt_in_Md: I just got 6 ackets of leaves in just ziploc bags and cut paper packing. Came coast to coast just fine.
08/18/05 21:11:18 Joyce: One vendor shipped me leaves on a piece of dry paper towel,  they were very good condition.
08/18/05 21:11:22 Walt_in_Md: 6 packets
08/18/05 21:11:40 del_SK: they have great bags all sizes real cheap in the dollar stores to use for shipping
08/18/05 21:12:03 Jana_in_Indiana: Steve, do you have any tips or hints for us regarding any part of AV culture?
08/18/05 21:12:12 Cathy_Ohio: I can't complain I have not had any bad luck with any of my plants
08/18/05 21:12:32 Cathy_Ohio: being shipped to me that is
08/18/05 21:12:47 Okie: Maybe it is because you are centrally located Cathy, not far to go from anywhere!
08/18/05 21:12:47 Steverd: Jana, do you mean tissue culture?
08/18/05 21:12:55 Tina_in_CO Logs in [67.176.91.232]
08/18/05 21:13:02 Tina_in_CO: Hello all
08/18/05 21:13:04 Jana_in_Indiana: no, just general AV culture & care
08/18/05 21:13:04 Cathy_Ohio: Hi Tina
08/18/05 21:13:07 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi tina!
08/18/05 21:13:08 del_SK: Hi Tina
08/18/05 21:13:15 Tina_in_CO: sorry so late
08/18/05 21:13:37 Cathy_Ohio: Okie you may be right.. however it never fails the day they are due the mail is very late, 5pm late
08/18/05 21:13:41 Jana_in_Indiana: no problme Tina, with kids & work we do understand
08/18/05 21:14:11 Jana_in_Indiana: problem*
08/18/05 21:14:21 Millie_Ca: Hi Tina
08/18/05 21:14:35 Walt_in_Md: I'm with you Cathy, I have had problems with only one av, twice. I can not get the original Mermaid to stay alive. But will try again.
08/18/05 21:14:50 Joyce: Steve, do you do tissue culture?
08/18/05 21:14:52 Steverd: I'm more of a let them alone kind of grower, I keep them water and do grooming on each plant mostly if I'm pulling leaves from it forsale, once the neck gets an inch or more I usually cut the plant down and restart it
08/18/05 21:15:26 Cathy_Ohio: Walt I don't like when I can't get one to grow and the others are doing do good
08/18/05 21:15:26 Steverd: I do not do any tissue culture, BUT I'm trying out rooting gels right now for chimera bloom stalks
08/18/05 21:15:43 Tina_in_CO: Thanx Jana
08/18/05 21:15:52 Jana_in_Indiana: ah!  Have you tried Gel2Root?
08/18/05 21:16:01 Joyce: Does it work, Steve?
08/18/05 21:16:03 Cathy_Ohio: is tissue culture that green stuff.. sorry I can't rememer the name of it
08/18/05 21:16:04 Steverd: Gel2Root is what I'm using right now
08/18/05 21:16:14 Brenda___Al: pictures of avs have such large leaves...how do you get them so big
08/18/05 21:16:16 del_SK: crystal jel works great for flower stalk propagation steve
08/18/05 21:16:56 Jana_in_Indiana: I have use Gel2Root too, photos in the files of VR & my album on webshots
08/18/05 21:16:59 Steverd: SO far I haven't lost any bloom stalks, I do have high hopes for it.
08/18/05 21:17:36 Cathy_Ohio: del what is crystal jes?
08/18/05 21:17:38 del_SK: had 100 percent on doing flower stalks
08/18/05 21:17:42 Cathy_Ohio: jel*
08/18/05 21:17:44 Jana_in_Indiana: it works well with suckers too Steve
08/18/05 21:18:20 Luana_BC_Canada Disconnects
08/18/05 21:18:22 del_SK: you buy it at dollar store 4 grams for 2.50 and it makes up 2 gallons of jell
08/18/05 21:18:30 Steverd: Jana- I haven't thought of using it with suckers - thanks
08/18/05 21:18:44 Cathy_Ohio: ok, del I know what that suff is
08/18/05 21:18:46 Walt_in_Md: Nite All 5am is getting here to fast.
08/18/05 21:18:55 Cathy_Ohio: nite Walt
08/18/05 21:18:57 Millie_Ca: Night Walt
08/18/05 21:19:02 Walt_in_Md Logs Out
08/18/05 21:19:06 Jana_in_Indiana: De l's crystals are the kind you buy to keep the soil moist, they're hard & you add water to hydrate them
08/18/05 21:19:11 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Walt!
08/18/05 21:19:30 sherry__(Mo): nite Walt!
08/18/05 21:19:38 Cathy_Ohio: and you grow leaves in that gel?
08/18/05 21:19:41 Jana_in_Indiana: I even used Gel2Root on leaves, did a chat on it last fall
08/18/05 21:19:47 del_SK: buy the darker color jel cathy as the clear will turn green on you but it does not mater to the leaves/cuttings or flower stalks
08/18/05 21:19:58 del_SK: yes I sure do
08/18/05 21:20:06 Cathy_Ohio: humm
08/18/05 21:20:18 Cathy_Ohio: I might give it a try
08/18/05 21:20:22 Jana_in_Indiana: De l, I tried your gel, rotted everything!  I just don't have your talent!
08/18/05 21:20:30 Cathy_Ohio: I have leaves in many different things right now del
08/18/05 21:20:45 del_SK: have never lost a leaf yet jana in over a year
08/18/05 21:21:06 Jana_in_Indiana: guess that makes me a big failure :(
08/18/05 21:21:08 Cathy_Ohio: del what size container are you using?
08/18/05 21:21:33 del_SK: on flower stalks Jana the jel is quicker  than using a soil mix
08/18/05 21:21:33 Okie: Gotta go do paychecks, you all have a great weekend and thank you so much Steve for your help tonight :)
08/18/05 21:21:39 Jana_in_Indiana: for anyone that arrived late, Steve's web site is: http://www.steverd.com/violets/ &  www.reedsgreenhouse.com
08/18/05 21:21:45 Millie_Ca: night Okie
08/18/05 21:21:45 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Okie!
08/18/05 21:21:52 Cathy_Ohio: bye Okie
08/18/05 21:21:53 del_SK: 2 0z shallow solo cups cathy
08/18/05 21:21:57 sherry__(Mo): I didn't have much luck with it on leaves Del, but the babies I put in it are doing ok
08/18/05 21:22:05 Jana_in_Indiana: and Steve sells on ebay, his ID is Steverd
08/18/05 21:22:07 sherry__(Mo): Nite Okie
08/18/05 21:22:21 Cathy_Ohio: does it stay wet or do you have to add water later on to it?
08/18/05 21:22:21 Okie Logs Out
08/18/05 21:22:57 del_SK: some time  if you are not busy holler sherry and we can go over the method i use
08/18/05 21:22:57 Jana_in_Indiana: Steve, are mites the worst thing we'll have to battle?  Or is there something else?
08/18/05 21:23:15 Cathy_Ohio: Steve, I love your site. Your pictures are so helpful to me
08/18/05 21:23:26 Steverd: I think 100% that mites are the worst insect to battle..
08/18/05 21:23:31 Steverd: Thank you Cathy
08/18/05 21:23:34 del_SK: steve got question if I bid on some of you leaves would you ship to Canada???
08/18/05 21:23:39 sherry__(Mo): Ok Del-will do
08/18/05 21:24:04 del_SK: give me a holler  Sherry
08/18/05 21:24:08 Jana_in_Indiana: at least there isn't anything worse!  Well, maybe INSV!
08/18/05 21:24:16 Steverd: Del _ I can't legally ship to Canada without the $30 per order inspection Photosentry certificate, sorry
08/18/05 21:24:32 del_SK: that is bul steve LOL
08/18/05 21:24:49 Jana_in_Indiana: you do ship supplies to Canada right Steve?
08/18/05 21:25:04 Millie_Ca Logs Out
08/18/05 21:25:05 Jana_in_Indiana: I've sent leaves to Canada, Sweden, no phyto ever!
08/18/05 21:25:08 Millie_Ca Logs in [66.215.46.114]
08/18/05 21:25:13 Jana_in_Indiana: WB Millie!
08/18/05 21:25:25 Steverd: phytosanitary  - that's what I mean
08/18/05 21:25:38 Jana_in_Indiana: & I do put african violet leaves NO SOIL on the customs form
08/18/05 21:25:59 del_SK: I have recived lots of leaves?cuttings from the states no trouble the trouble is with the sellers on E bay
08/18/05 21:26:03 Steverd: But as a legal business, I can't ship out of the USA with the phytosanitary  on each package. I even need inspections just to ship within the USA
08/18/05 21:26:33 Jana_in_Indiana: you are one of the FEW that has inspectors!
08/18/05 21:26:42 Jana_in_Indiana: why do you have to be inspected?
08/18/05 21:26:44 Steverd: Oh that's Soil or NO Soil,
08/18/05 21:26:55 Jana_in_Indiana: NO SOIL
08/18/05 21:27:17 tee7202_IL: night all
08/18/05 21:27:23 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Tonya!
08/18/05 21:27:25 del_SK: you do not use soil whern shipping leaves so why the paper work I would like to know
08/18/05 21:27:38 tee7202_IL Logs Out
08/18/05 21:27:41 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL  don't know De l!
08/18/05 21:27:48 Steverd: I meant that It doesn't matter soil or no soil, it still needs the phytosanitary certificate, legally
08/18/05 21:28:10 Jana_in_Indiana: how & why are you inspected Steve?
08/18/05 21:29:04 Tina_in_CO > del_SK: Del will you send me your address and phone number tonight please
08/18/05 21:29:31 Steverd: ALL plant nurseries are inspected by each states dept of agriculture, They come and inspect the plants and growing areas, but they have been very nice to me, I have a "special" stamp from them that I have to put on all plant packages
08/18/05 21:30:02 Jana_in_Indiana: do you keep your AV's in a greenhouse or in your home?
08/18/05 21:30:03 Steverd: The inspections are basically just "the Law' to sell plants, each state has different yet similiar laws
08/18/05 21:30:06 Tina_in_CO: Steve does  it matter the size you are?
08/18/05 21:30:24 del_SK > Tina_in_CO: del setchell 933 boychuk drive saskatoon sask  S7H-4L6 pnone 306- 373-7670
08/18/05 21:30:29 Tina_in_CO: who do you contact for the inspections
08/18/05 21:30:31 Steverd: Size doesn't matter, selling 1 plant or 1000's,
08/18/05 21:30:37 Steverd: I grow in my basement
08/18/05 21:30:50 Tina_in_CO: what do they look for?
08/18/05 21:31:02 Jana_in_Indiana: so all these other people are doing it illegally?  Or just lucky & not yet caught?
08/18/05 21:31:05 Tina_in_CO: what should you do or not do?
08/18/05 21:32:03 Tina_in_CO > del_SK: oh thank you LOL
08/18/05 21:32:50 del_SK: Tina I left you a note
08/18/05 21:32:51 Steverd: I called the Dept of Agriculture and talked to them about it, and told them that I wanted to sell African violets (I was already selling them) they told me what I needed a state license to sell ANY plant material legally (each state is different)
08/18/05 21:33:10 Steverd: Plus Everything is now a business expense, it's more fun this way
08/18/05 21:33:19 Jana_in_Indiana: fun????????
08/18/05 21:33:39 Jana_in_Indiana: sounds like a pain to me!
08/18/05 21:33:56 Steverd: Fun, running a realy business, I have a wholesale license, and keep trying to expand, etc
08/18/05 21:34:18 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, ok
08/18/05 21:34:27 Tina_in_CO: Thank you Del
08/18/05 21:34:34 Millie_Ca: The agriculture Dept.
08/18/05 21:34:39 del_SK: welcome tina
08/18/05 21:34:43 Jana_in_Indiana: Tina asked what the inspectors are looking for
08/18/05 21:34:52 Joyce: Steve, what do the inspectors inspect for?
08/18/05 21:35:09 Cathy_Ohio: business expenses could be having lunch and talking violets?
08/18/05 21:35:42 Tina_in_CO: I guess I would want to know if it is hard to pass and worth the time?
08/18/05 21:35:49 Steverd: The inspectors, will look for what ever is quarintined (sp?) in your state. Like in Washington state snails and slugs are on the list, plus they check out the growing areas
08/18/05 21:36:09 Tina_in_CO: What if they don't like something?
08/18/05 21:36:16 Steverd: I asked them alot of questions also, about bugs and diseases
08/18/05 21:36:40 Millie_Ca: In Cal They came just once a year
08/18/05 21:36:42 Steverd: If they don't like something I think you have 30days or so to fix it, so far that hasn't happened to me
08/18/05 21:36:49 Jana_in_Indiana: how often are you inspected & do you know when they're coming?
08/18/05 21:36:59 Tina_in_CO: so what things would cause you not to pass?
08/18/05 21:37:23 Steverd: It's at least once a year, but they can stop by anytime that they want to
08/18/05 21:37:27 Millie_Ca: Its very easy to pass Tina
08/18/05 21:37:36 Tina_in_CO: oh ok
08/18/05 21:37:59 Tina_in_CO: Well since I am getting a Tas ID number I maybe should just go all the way LOL
08/18/05 21:38:10 Tina_in_CO: Tax thar is
08/18/05 21:38:20 Jana_in_Indiana: go for it Tina!
08/18/05 21:38:23 Steverd: I think if you are bug free and keep the place very clean and neat that anyone would pass, they have all been very nice people to work with
08/18/05 21:38:27 Tina_in_CO: sorry can't type or spell tonite
08/18/05 21:38:38 Tina_in_CO: oh ok
08/18/05 21:38:56 Jana_in_Indiana: Steve, what state are you in?
08/18/05 21:38:59 Tina_in_CO: I only have 4 plant stands
08/18/05 21:39:07 Steverd: Tina, just think of everything that could could deduct as a business expense!!!!
08/18/05 21:39:35 Tina_in_CO: That is very true would like to have some tax write offs LOL
08/18/05 21:39:45 Steverd: I'm in Washington state - if I sell outside the state there's no tax on the item (it's like that for most states, but be sure to check)
08/18/05 21:39:58 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
08/18/05 21:40:58 Jana_in_Indiana: any other questions for Steve?
08/18/05 21:41:12 Tina_in_CO: Where in WA Steve
08/18/05 21:41:13 Millie_Ca: Here is Calif I believe the fee was $125.00 a year
08/18/05 21:41:33 Tina_in_CO: so you pay a fee to be inspected?
08/18/05 21:41:54 Steverd: I live in Spokane, WA (Eastern side of the state)
08/18/05 21:42:21 Tina_in_CO: Oh great just moved from Longview/Kelso a year an a half ago
08/18/05 21:42:32 Steverd: Yes the inspection cost, and the special stamp cost a few dollars, BUT it's ALL business expense that you can deduct on your taxes
08/18/05 21:42:41 Millie_Ca: Yes Tina every year but it might be cheaper in CO. Just go to the Agriculture Dept on line and ask them to send the form or it might be there to copy.
08/18/05 21:43:30 Tina_in_CO: oh ok well I guess I have another project LOL.  Like I need anymore to do LOL
08/18/05 21:43:36 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
08/18/05 21:43:55 Brenda___Al: talk to you income tax person, might br things to clain you haven't thought of
08/18/05 21:44:08 Jana_in_Indiana: Steve, thanks for being our guest speaker!  You gave us lots of valuable info!
08/18/05 21:44:33 Tina_in_CO: Thank you Brenda
08/18/05 21:44:37 Jana_in_Indiana: we'll check out your ebay auctions, your ID is Steverd, right?
08/18/05 21:44:40 Joyce: Thank you Steve for all your wisdom.
08/18/05 21:44:43 Tina_in_CO: Thank you steve you were great
08/18/05 21:44:45 Steverd: You're welcome, who's next week?
08/18/05 21:45:11 Jana_in_Indiana: we haven't got next week planned yet, try to do a guest speaker once a month
08/18/05 21:45:16 sherry__(Mo): Very informative Steve!!
08/18/05 21:45:38 Jana_in_Indiana: at one point we had 20 people here!
08/18/05 21:45:45 Jana_in_Indiana: you are popular Steve!
08/18/05 21:45:56 Tina_in_CO: Yes great turn out
08/18/05 21:45:58 Brenda___Al: maybe you can come back and tell us how you grow your plants
08/18/05 21:46:21 Jana_in_Indiana: if we haven't scared him off for good?
08/18/05 21:46:24 Steverd: 20 people is great, that more than we used to get to our African violet club meetings (when we had a local club, arggh!)
08/18/05 21:46:52 sherry__(Mo): Join us anytime Syeve
08/18/05 21:47:08 sherry__(Mo): "Steve"-sorry-can't type!
08/18/05 21:47:09 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, we love to have your expertise here!
08/18/05 21:47:15 Steverd: When is the busy night, Thurs?
08/18/05 21:47:20 Tina_in_CO: Your welcome to come to chats anytime Steve
08/18/05 21:47:31 Jana_in_Indiana: usually busiest when there's a guest speaker
08/18/05 21:47:58 Steverd: Do you post on your web site, future speakers, when you have them?
08/18/05 21:48:25 Jana_in_Indiana: I post to the 3 sisters, VR, VVV, LFW & the hybridizing site
08/18/05 21:48:56 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm thinking it's about time to ask Jeff Smith back too, after BSU classes settle down
08/18/05 21:49:07 Steverd: Where is the hybridizing site?
08/18/05 21:49:22 Jana_in_Indiana: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3SistersNewBeginningsHybridizing/messages
08/18/05 21:49:34 Steverd: OK - Thanks
08/18/05 21:49:37 Jana_in_Indiana: might need to remove the 'messages' part
08/18/05 21:49:59 Tina_in_CO: We would love to have you on any of the groups Steve
08/18/05 21:50:16 Steverd: Jeff Smith would be great, how about Travis?
08/18/05 21:50:33 Jana_in_Indiana: VVV is Variegated Violet Village, LFW is Love for Wasps
08/18/05 21:50:40 Tina_in_CO: We had Jeff once and that was a great chat also
08/18/05 21:50:49 Jana_in_Indiana: haven't asked Travis, don't know him personally
08/18/05 21:50:51 Millie_Ca: Travis would be good
08/18/05 21:51:06 Jana_in_Indiana: someone want to break the ice for me with Travis?
08/18/05 21:51:12 Steverd: Travis does post on the Brat Pack boards sometimes, I would love to listen to him
08/18/05 21:51:18 Tina_in_CO: Fun to have special folks in chats
08/18/05 21:51:30 Millie_Ca: I no him I will ask and tell him you will follow up
08/18/05 21:51:31 Cathy_Ohio: Steve do you have any help with your violets or are you a one man show?
08/18/05 21:51:41 Jana_in_Indiana: great!  Thanks Millie!
08/18/05 21:52:07 Tina_in_CO: Steve how many stands do you have and approximately how many violets do you have?
08/18/05 21:52:07 Steverd: I do everything myself, BUT my wife does like to "look" at them...
08/18/05 21:52:16 Jana_in_Indiana: lol
08/18/05 21:52:30 nCheryl-TX: well how do you do it all?
08/18/05 21:52:44 Steverd: I think I have 10 large stands right now, with about 150-175 trays full of violets on them
08/18/05 21:52:45 Cathy_Ohio: lol
08/18/05 21:53:00 Tina_in_CO: How do you water? Wick or Matting and do are they on community watering?
08/18/05 21:53:04 Jana_in_Indiana: that is a full time job!
08/18/05 21:53:54 Steverd: I water wierd.. 100% of my plants are in 10x20 trays, I fill each tray with about 1/4" of water and leave in the tray for a day or so
08/18/05 21:54:19 Steverd: if I get too much water or the plants doesn't suck up all the water I get out the wet/dry vac and remove the extra water
08/18/05 21:54:39 Jana_in_Indiana: do you put perlite (only) in the bottom of your pots?
08/18/05 21:54:49 sherry__(Mo): Have you tried the egg crating and matting yet Steve?
08/18/05 21:54:50 Tina_in_CO: oh LOL
08/18/05 21:55:00 Steverd: No perlite on the bottom, BUT extra perlite in my soil mix
08/18/05 21:55:08 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
08/18/05 21:55:21 del_SK: what is your soil mix steve
08/18/05 21:55:35 Steverd: I still haven't tried the egg create method recently, but haven't forgotten about the acrylic blankets
08/18/05 21:55:38 Jana_in_Indiana: we're picking your brain now!  ;)
08/18/05 21:56:16 sherry__(Mo): try ot on one tray-it sure sabves time watering (more time to gtoom-LOL)
08/18/05 21:56:27 Steverd: I mix my own soild, its: Peat, vermiculite, Perlite, Pumice, Charcoal, dolomite line, ummm, a few other things...
08/18/05 21:56:31 sherry__(Mo): LOL-my fat fingers!!
08/18/05 21:56:54 del_SK: getting late sherry LOL
08/18/05 21:57:13 Brenda___Al: what is you method of fertilizing and what brand
08/18/05 21:57:18 del_SK: what micro minerals you use???
08/18/05 21:57:29 Tina_in_CO: thinking about trying the matting but then I would have to cut all my crates down LOL
08/18/05 21:57:48 Jana_in_Indiana: only do 1 or 2 till you see if you like it Tina
08/18/05 21:58:30 Tina_in_CO: well hate cutting that egg crate or wonder if I could just string pieces through the wholes like wicks hmm
08/18/05 21:58:57 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, cut the blamket like fringe?
08/18/05 21:59:09 Steverd: I rotate my fertilizers, I like Peters African violet, Optimara's, Miracle grow and Agro all purpose
08/18/05 21:59:13 Jana_in_Indiana: blanket*  I have Sherrys fat fingers too, LOL
08/18/05 21:59:18 Cathy_Ohio: Jana that is a good idea
08/18/05 21:59:21 sherry__(Mo): LOL
08/18/05 21:59:45 Millie_Ca: Mine go in trays also once they go into 4 inch pots easier to repot and I don't have to deal with wicks and the egg crating
08/18/05 22:00:40 Tina_in_CO: Good Idea
08/18/05 22:00:41 Jana_in_Indiana: how do you cut the egg crate Tina?
08/18/05 22:01:02 Brenda___Al: is Agro easy to find

08/18/05 22:01:08 Steverd: I don't add any special minerals, other than what's in fertilizers like Peters has Magnesium, Boron, Copper, Iron, Manganese, Molybdenum, and zinc in it
08/18/05 22:01:24 del_SK: a key hole saw works good Jana
08/18/05 22:01:34 Millie_Ca: I cut it with Hubby's garage sissors they are strong.
08/18/05 22:01:46 Steverd: I get Agro at our local seed and feed store
08/18/05 22:01:47 Jana_in_Indiana: my son just grabbed the wire cutters & snipped away
08/18/05 22:01:55 Tina_in_CO: with Tin shears or a hand saw
08/18/05 22:02:01 Brenda___Al: thanks
08/18/05 22:02:17 Tina_in_CO: It is just a pain and messy LOL
08/18/05 22:02:20 del_SK: use any epsom salts for good coloring in leaves and flowers steve
08/18/05 22:02:21 Jana_in_Indiana: do you sell the Agro on your site Steve?
08/18/05 22:02:33 Tina_in_CO: what do you all use for matting besides acrylic blankets LOL
08/18/05 22:02:45 Jana_in_Indiana: that's all I use
08/18/05 22:02:59 Millie_Ca: Well Guy's I need to call it a night. Thank you Steave it was great. Good Night all.
08/18/05 22:03:03 Steverd: No I haven't searched for a wholesale source of Agro yet. I thinking of adding Superthrive, but there are already tons of source for it, including Walmart
08/18/05 22:03:06 Tina_in_CO: Nite Mille
08/18/05 22:03:06 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Millie!
08/18/05 22:03:07 nCheryl-TX: I don't use matting
08/18/05 22:03:07 sherry__(Mo): they are the cheapest way to go Tina-get them at Walmart ofr Kmart for 5.00
08/18/05 22:03:16 Tina_in_CO: oh ok
08/18/05 22:03:17 Millie_Ca Logs Out
08/18/05 22:03:18 del_SK: night millie take care
08/18/05 22:03:18 sherry__(Mo): Nite Millie
08/18/05 22:03:21 Tina_in_CO: well I will have to look
08/18/05 22:03:35 Tina_in_CO: maybe I will try one or two
08/18/05 22:04:20 Jana_in_Indiana: if really dry where you live, might need 2 layers of the blanket, I had to do that in winter with furnace running
08/18/05 22:04:44 Tina_in_CO: not sure.  They are in the basement
08/18/05 22:05:26 nCheryl-TX: what is the advantage of matting over just egg-crating?
08/18/05 22:05:36 Jana_in_Indiana: Steve, when you first got here, you said you just got home from work -- what kind of work do you do?
08/18/05 22:05:58 Jana_in_Indiana: http://community.webshots.com/user/janainindiana
08/18/05 22:06:12 Jana_in_Indiana: Cheryl, check my album, I only need to water every 2 weeks
08/18/05 22:06:30 Steverd: My real job is in radiology, I run an xray department for a very large imaging group here
08/18/05 22:06:39 Brenda___Al: Steve do you ever use a bloom booster
08/18/05 22:06:39 Jana_in_Indiana: the egg crate holds the mat up (pots under it) so more water fits in
08/18/05 22:06:59 Jana_in_Indiana: you're a radiologist?
08/18/05 22:07:58 Steverd: I don't use any bloom boosters, because I mostly grow to sell leaves and plants, and since our local club is no longer, I don't have any shows to grow for, BUT the plants are blooming great without anything special
08/18/05 22:08:29 Steverd: I'm not a radiologist, but work with them everyday.
08/18/05 22:09:13 Jana_in_Indiana: soundvery interesting!  Ever x-ray leaves or plants to try & stimulate sporting (hopefully chimera)?
08/18/05 22:09:22 Tina_in_CO: Have you ever Xrayed some seeds LOL
08/18/05 22:09:36 Brenda___Al: lol
08/18/05 22:09:57 Jana_in_Indiana: Tina, mail Steve your seeds for him to x-ray!
08/18/05 22:10:03 Steverd: I've thought about xraying them, but I think that the medical xray doses are WAY too small to produce any changes, I would need access to industrial xrays
08/18/05 22:10:23 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, :(
08/18/05 22:10:34 Jana_in_Indiana: I heard dental x-rays would do it
08/18/05 22:10:37 Candy Logs in [68.20.39.205]
08/18/05 22:10:42 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Candy!
08/18/05 22:10:50 Candy: hi
08/18/05 22:10:55 del_SK: Hi Candy
08/18/05 22:11:09 Cathy_Ohio: did I miss something, what are the xrays for?
08/18/05 22:11:21 Candy: sorry i missed the beginning of the chat
08/18/05 22:11:32 Jana_in_Indiana: stimulating genetic change in leaves & seeds
08/18/05 22:11:47 Jana_in_Indiana: Steve Reed is our guest speaker tonight (Steverd)
08/18/05 22:12:02 Peggy_in_Pa: I have to say nite now
08/18/05 22:12:08 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Peggy!
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08/18/05 22:12:13 nCheryl-TX: well i would love to stay and learn more, but must go to bed, jana I am hoping you are saving the chat
08/18/05 22:12:17 del_SK: night Peggy
08/18/05 22:12:24 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Cheryl
08/18/05 22:12:29 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, it'll be posted
08/18/05 22:12:32 sherry__(Mo): Nite Peggy and Cheryl
08/18/05 22:12:41 Cathy_Ohio: nite
08/18/05 22:12:44 del_SK: night cheryl
08/18/05 22:12:49 Steverd: Maybe ALL of my typos will be magically fixed in the posting, hehehe
08/18/05 22:12:57 Candy: yes, i heard that, about steve as the guest
08/18/05 22:13:12 nCheryl-TX: thanks!  ;)
08/18/05 22:13:15 Jana_in_Indiana: naw, that would take me days Steve, all our errors stay as they are!  LOL
08/18/05 22:13:29 Steverd: :D
08/18/05 22:13:33 nCheryl-TX Logs Out
08/18/05 22:13:58 del_SK: night all see you sunday night
08/18/05 22:14:04 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Del!
08/18/05 22:14:11 sherry__(Mo): Take care Del!!
08/18/05 22:14:43 Steverd: I should take off soon, I still have a box from the Violet Showcase that arrived today that I need to unpack (I'll have to dip them tomorrow)
08/18/05 22:15:00 del_SK Logs Out
08/18/05 22:15:18 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks for everything Steve!
08/18/05 22:15:26 Candy: Jana, will the chat be available for us tardy people?
08/18/05 22:15:27 Jana_in_Indiana: we'll let you go tend to your leaves!
08/18/05 22:15:28 sherry__(Mo): I've got to go-the storm has arrived!
08/18/05 22:15:38 Jana_in_Indiana: the chat log will be in the files
08/18/05 22:15:41 sherry__(Mo): Thanks for a great chat Steve!!
08/18/05 22:15:43 Tina_in_CO: Nite Sherry
08/18/05 22:15:43 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Sherry!
08/18/05 22:15:51 Steverd: You are again welcomed - I had a Blast!!!
08/18/05 22:15:55 sherry__(Mo) Logs Out
08/18/05 22:16:04 Brenda___Al: thanks for coming and appreciate your time and infro
08/18/05 22:16:05 Jana_in_Indiana: Tina, should I put it in the files of LFW & # sis hyb?
08/18/05 22:16:19 Tina_in_CO: Yes that would be good Jana
08/18/05 22:16:36 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, I'll do it!  Doesn't get here till 3 am, LOL
08/18/05 22:16:45 Steverd Logs Out
08/18/05 22:17:01 Tina_in_CO: ok
08/18/05 22:17:14 Jana_in_Indiana: so might not get there till tomorrow
08/18/05 22:17:40 Jana_in_Indiana: I lucked out!  The storms were supposed to be here by now!
08/18/05 22:17:41 Brenda___Al: you are usually up at that time
08/18/05 22:17:48 Tina_in_CO: When ever is fine Jana no hurry
08/18/05 22:17:55 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, but not always still on here, LOL
08/18/05 22:17:58 Candy: looks like everyone had a good time! sorry i missed it, will sign off then
08/18/05 22:18:06 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Candy!
08/18/05 22:18:08 Candy: nite
08/18/05 22:18:15 Candy Logs Out
08/18/05 22:18:58 Tina_in_CO: I am going to go to.  Thank you for having Steve tonight it was great
08/18/05 22:19:04 Jana_in_Indiana: if anyone needs any Avid, let me know, I bought a bottle & have divided it into 2 ounce bottles
08/18/05 22:19:07 Tina_in_CO: Have a good night everyone
08/18/05 22:19:13 Jana_in_Indiana: welcome & g'nite!
08/18/05 22:19:16 Joyce: Jana, do you have a site you sell from?
08/18/05 22:19:41 Jana_in_Indiana: no, I have a list of supplies I sell at my cost + 10% to help support VR.com
08/18/05 22:19:59 Jana_in_Indiana: plus actual postage, not like ebay, LOL
08/18/05 22:20:08 Jana_in_Indiana: well, so on ebay
08/18/05 22:20:09 Joyce: Where do I find the list?
08/18/05 22:20:15 Jana_in_Indiana: some*
08/18/05 22:20:30 Tina_in_CO Logs Out
08/18/05 22:20:44 Jana_in_Indiana: give me your e-mail & I'll send it to you or you can find it on www.violetreflections.com
08/18/05 22:20:57 victoria Disconnects
08/18/05 22:20:59 Jana_in_Indiana: on the message board
08/18/05 22:21:08 Joyce: blue63d@yahoo.com
08/18/05 22:21:56 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, I just sent it
08/18/05 22:21:58 Cathy_Ohio: oh my.. go to get hubby off to work and the chat ends
08/18/05 22:22:01 Cathy_Ohio: oh well
08/18/05 22:22:04 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Cathy!
08/18/05 22:22:06 Cathy_Ohio: I did learn alot
08/18/05 22:22:11 Cathy_Ohio: nite Jana
08/18/05 22:22:14 Brenda___Al: Jana did you say Pat might come to chat
08/18/05 22:22:19 Cathy_Ohio: see you all next chat

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08/18/05 22:22:36 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, she's agreed to, need to work out when -- when her life settles down a bit
08/18/05 22:23:02 Joyce: Thanks, Jana, and thanks for setting up this very informative chat.  Night,
08/18/05 22:23:07 Jana_in_Indiana: if anyone reading this chat needs Avid, Marathon or an supplies, send an e-mail to me at CrazyCavy@aol.com
08/18/05 22:23:15 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Joyce!
08/18/05 22:23:22 Joyce Logs Out
08/18/05 22:23:27 Brenda___Al: have others like her ever come to chat
08/18/05 22:23:48 Jana_in_Indiana: the 'biggest' I've had so far was Dr Jeff Smith
08/18/05 22:24:00 Jana_in_Indiana: would love to get Paul Sorano!
08/18/05 22:24:06 Brenda___Al: who is he
08/18/05 22:24:17 Jana_in_Indiana: also Fay Wagman has agreed, but has issues now
08/18/05 22:24:24 Jana_in_Indiana: Lyndon Lyons
08/18/05 22:24:45 Jana_in_Indiana: also would like to get some AVSA officers too
08/18/05 22:25:33 Jana_in_Indiana: Judi, you still here?
08/18/05 22:26:06 goj62(Judi): ybeen reading all along
08/18/05 22:26:10 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
08/18/05 22:26:14 Brenda___Al: thanks for all you do and I will say nite to you two ladies
08/18/05 22:26:18 Jana_in_Indiana: you're quiet tonight!
08/18/05 22:26:24 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Brenda!
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08/18/05 22:26:48 goj62(Judi): not really   just didn,t have that many ???

08/18/05 22:26:56 Jana_in_Indiana: shall we call it a night?
08/18/05 22:27:31 goj62(Judi): yea before I fall asleep at the keyboard
08/18/05 22:27:43 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, g'nite Judi!
08/18/05 22:27:56 goj62(Judi): gonna try to get some sleep tonight for a change
08/18/05 22:28:06 goj62(Judi): nite
08/18/05 22:28:07 Jana_in_Indiana: hope you do!
08/18/05 22:28:10 Jana_in_Indiana: bye
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