11/15/05 06:34:51 wanda_uk Logs in [82.44.33.114]
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11/15/05 20:46:46 Janet Logs in [69.28.5.2]
11/15/05 20:47:33 Janet Leaves Subroom
11/15/05 20:48:45 Janet: test
11/15/05 20:54:12 Tony__IL Logs in [12.221.155.80]
11/15/05 20:54:24 Janet: Hi Tony!
11/15/05 20:54:32 Tony__IL: hi Janet
11/15/05 20:54:48 Janet: You from Illinois?
11/15/05 20:54:51 Tony__IL: are you are guest tonight?
11/15/05 20:54:55 Janet: Yes
11/15/05 20:55:24 Tony__IL: Yes, Sterling, Il. About 1/2 way between Rockford And Davenport, Ia
11/15/05 20:55:37 Janet: I grew up just south of Chicago
11/15/05 20:55:53 Tony__IL: Have a cousin in the Big Town
11/15/05 20:56:06 Donna Logs in [165.247.191.196]
11/15/05 20:56:14 Janet: Hi donna
11/15/05 20:56:15 Tony__IL: Hi Donna
11/15/05 20:56:30 Donna: Hey all!
11/15/05 20:57:02 Donna: Janet, I looked for some Allegro leaves at MAAVS. You were on my want list.
11/15/05 20:57:05 Tony__IL: be right back, got to flip something on the grill
11/15/05 20:57:33 Janet: Donna, The Violet Gallery carries them and The Violet Showcase will soo
11/15/05 20:57:41 Janet: soon also
11/15/05 20:57:55 Donna: Janet, your posts on the Brat Pack are so helpful.
11/15/05 20:58:07 Janet: Thanks!
11/15/05 20:58:45 Janet: How was the MAAVS convention?
11/15/05 20:58:45 Donna: I'm the lady who lives fairly close to Parks Seeds.
11/15/05 20:58:55 Janet: Right I remember that
11/15/05 20:59:05 Carol_NS Logs in [24.215.108.78]
11/15/05 20:59:11 Janet: Hi Carol
11/15/05 20:59:21 Donna: Hi ya Carol.
11/15/05 20:59:30 Carol_NS: Hi Janet, Hi Donna
11/15/05 20:59:35 Carol_NS: Hi Tony
11/15/05 20:59:58 Donna: I got so much good advice at MAAVS.
11/15/05 20:59:59 Janet: Tony's flippin meat on the grill, LOL
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11/15/05 21:00:20 teazingg Logs in [69.141.7.61]
11/15/05 21:00:21 Tony__IL: Hi Carol
11/15/05 21:00:23 Jana_in_Indiana Logs in [172.134.255.141]
11/15/05 21:00:23 Donna: This was the first time I'd ever seen show quality plants up close and personal.
11/15/05 21:00:35 Janet: HI Jana
11/15/05 21:00:36 teazingg: Hi all!!!
11/15/05 21:00:36 Millie Logs in [66.215.46.114]
11/15/05 21:00:45 Tony__IL: Hi Tea and Millie
11/15/05 21:00:49 Carol_NS: Hi Millie Hi Tea
11/15/05 21:00:51 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi everyone!
11/15/05 21:01:10 Tony__IL: Jana, you didn't get rained out
11/15/05 21:01:11 Carol_NS: Hi Jana didn't even see you come in
11/15/05 21:01:30 Jana_in_Indiana: the storms finally got past us!
11/15/05 21:01:32 Millie: THANK YOU JANET FOR BEING OUR GUEST
11/15/05 21:01:44 Tony__IL: BIG DITTO HERE
11/15/05 21:01:49 Clare_KS Logs in [72.128.20.41]
11/15/05 21:01:54 Janet: You are very welcome.  Thanks for the invitation
11/15/05 21:01:55 Tony__IL: hi Clare
11/15/05 21:02:05 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Clare!
11/15/05 21:02:05 Clare_KS: Hi all :)
11/15/05 21:02:14 Tony_in_NJ Logs in [69.142.40.186]
11/15/05 21:02:18 Jana_in_Indiana: Thanks for doing this for us all Janet!
11/15/05 21:02:22 Tony_in_NJ: Hi Folks!
11/15/05 21:02:28 Carol_NS: Hi Tony
11/15/05 21:02:29 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Tony!
11/15/05 21:02:37 Janet: My pleasure Jana
11/15/05 21:02:52 Peggy_in_Pa. Logs in [207.172.119.154]
11/15/05 21:02:57 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Peggy!
11/15/05 21:03:02 teazingg: Hi Peggy
11/15/05 21:03:26 Peggy_in_Pa.: Hi Everone
11/15/05 21:03:26 Joyce_Myers Logs in [208.10.3.19]
11/15/05 21:03:45 Janet: Hey Joyce! Long time no see!
11/15/05 21:04:02 Joyce_Myers: Hi Janet, nice to see you here!
11/15/05 21:04:14 Carol_NS: Janet I must say I was looking at the Allegro violets and they are very lovely!
11/15/05 21:04:25 Janet: Thanks Carol
11/15/05 21:04:51 Millie: hI jOYCE NICE TO SEE U HERE AGAIN  mY EYES ARE BAD TONIGHT SO TRYING TO ENLARGE
11/15/05 21:05:06 sherry Logs in [172.147.85.140]
11/15/05 21:05:14 Joyce_Myers: HI MILLIE and everyone!
11/15/05 21:05:19 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Sherry!
11/15/05 21:05:21 Millie: hI sHERRY
11/15/05 21:05:40 sherry: HI everyone!!
11/15/05 21:05:44 Carol_NS: Millie if you click on the plus sign the words will get bigger
11/15/05 21:06:03 Brenda_Al Logs in [12.217.41.65]
11/15/05 21:06:12 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Brenda!
11/15/05 21:06:19 Joyce_Myers: Millie, just keep on clicking and the letter get bigger!
11/15/05 21:06:23 Brenda_Al: hello
11/15/05 21:06:50 Millie: Thanks al I think I can read now
11/15/05 21:07:10 Janet: So can I Millie....love that + sign, LOL
11/15/05 21:07:16 Joyce_Myers: Don't feel bad, Millie.  I hit the plus sign about 6 times!  LOL
11/15/05 21:07:44 Millie: Me to or more Joyce LOL
11/15/05 21:08:07 Joyce_Myers: I think the 3 of us have given away our age! LOL
11/15/05 21:08:20 Cheryl_B Logs in [204.14.98.247]
11/15/05 21:08:25 Janet: Speak up Joyce, I can't hear you, hon
11/15/05 21:08:32 Millie: Hi Cheryl B
11/15/05 21:08:38 Cheryl_B Logs Out
11/15/05 21:08:48 Joyce_Myers: I knew you would say something, Janet! By the way have you heard from Gabe?
11/15/05 21:09:21 Cheryl_B__Wa Logs in [204.14.98.247]
11/15/05 21:09:23 Janet: No word from Gabe in several months.  I wonder if he's back in South America
11/15/05 21:09:25 Clare_KS: <<<< whispers: I bought two brand new for 2006 Storks last night.
11/15/05 21:09:52 Joyce_Myers: Thanks, Janet.  I've been wondering.
11/15/05 21:10:04 Cheryl_B__Wa: Hello everyone! What have I missed so far?
11/15/05 21:10:06 Millie: ON Ebay Cheryl?
11/15/05 21:10:09 Janet: So is everybody here into hybridizing yet?
11/15/05 21:10:26 Janet: Are we all pollen daubers?
11/15/05 21:10:33 Joyce_Myers: I'm working on it, when I have time.
11/15/05 21:10:34 Clare_KS: Janet...in case I turn into a pumpkin soon...
11/15/05 21:10:42 Carol_NS: sometimes we pretend Janet
11/15/05 21:10:43 Clare_KS: where can one buy your Allegro series?
11/15/05 21:10:44 Donna: Nope. One day, maybe. First I have to learn to grow them well.
11/15/05 21:10:51 Cheryl_B__Wa: I'm not....too chicken to try hybrizing yet.
11/15/05 21:10:56 Millie: I am but not doing grea
11/15/05 21:11:02 Janet: Violet Gallery and soon Violet Showcase Clare
11/15/05 21:11:13 Clare_KS: thanks :)
11/15/05 21:11:17 Carol_NS: no place in Canada?
11/15/05 21:11:26 Millie: When I harvest the polen it is hard
11/15/05 21:11:30 Janet: Not that I know of Carol
11/15/05 21:11:47 Janet: Millie...hard as opposed to powdery?
11/15/05 21:11:53 Cheryl_B__Wa: I am not familiar with the Allegro series. Can someone fill me in? Variegates?
11/15/05 21:12:36 Jana_in_Indiana: got to www.avsa.com & click on photos Cheryl B, you'll find them in the A's
11/15/05 21:12:39 Queenie Logs in [71.142.222.76]
11/15/05 21:12:42 Millie: Yes Jabet I have never found it powery
11/15/05 21:12:44 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Queenie
11/15/05 21:13:01 Janet: Millie, it may not be ripe when you harvest
11/15/05 21:13:10 Janet: Try waiting until the flower has faded
11/15/05 21:13:49 Janet: or is a week or so old
11/15/05 21:14:21 Jana_in_Indiana: Janet, what do you use to apply the pollen to the stigma?
11/15/05 21:14:32 Millie: I thought it was when the flower was new , so its when the flower is older? what BOUT THE MALE?
11/15/05 21:14:35 Janet: Jana I use my thumbnail
11/15/05 21:14:38 Queenie: Hi, I'm new and need to LEARN everything!
11/15/05 21:14:39 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
11/15/05 21:14:46 Jana_in_Indiana: that'll work! ;)
11/15/05 21:14:51 Joyce_Myers: Janet, what do you use to cut into the pollen?  Pat Hancock showed me how to do it with scissors, but that's difficult for me.
11/15/05 21:15:01 Janet: Millie the mantra is "young woman, old man"
11/15/05 21:15:15 Janet: The seed parent needs to be new but the pollen needs to be old
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11/15/05 21:15:50 Clare_KS Logs Out
11/15/05 21:15:51 Janet: Joyce if the pollen is ripe, all you need to do is flick it onto your thumb
11/15/05 21:15:55 Janet: nail
11/15/05 21:16:00 Joyce_Myers: Now I know what my problem is.  I was using new pollen!
11/15/05 21:16:12 Janet: it will come out through the opening in the bottom of the anther
11/15/05 21:16:19 Clare_KS Logs in [72.128.20.41]
11/15/05 21:16:19 Cheryl_B__Wa: Awww....now I get it, too!
11/15/05 21:16:25 Jana_in_Indiana: WB Clare!
11/15/05 21:16:58 Joyce_Myers: That makes it sound so easy.  I'll start work tomorrow!
11/15/05 21:17:24 Jana_in_Indiana: do you do anything to raise the humidity while setting seeds Janet?
11/15/05 21:17:26 Janet: I lift the pollen sac with one thumb and flick the pollen onto my other thumb
11/15/05 21:17:45 Janet: Jana, that depends on the humidity in the room.  No need in the spring
11/15/05 21:17:48 Joyce_Myers: Thanks, Janet!
11/15/05 21:17:55 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks!
11/15/05 21:18:09 Janet: but in the winter I bag the seed parent for a day before pollinating
11/15/05 21:18:29 Jana_in_Indiana: what about after pollinating?
11/15/05 21:18:30 Janet: and for a day after
11/15/05 21:18:35 Jana_in_Indiana: ;)
11/15/05 21:18:59 Janet: Some varieities seem to need the humidity more than others
11/15/05 21:19:22 Janet: About half the time, no bagging is necessary
11/15/05 21:19:58 Jana_in_Indiana: how do you tell?
11/15/05 21:20:12 Janet: Trial and error..Aca's Red Ember is a real hussy
11/15/05 21:20:19 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
11/15/05 21:20:20 Joyce_Myers: I have your notes from several years back.  Are you doing anything differently?
11/15/05 21:20:21 Janet: She gets pregnant at the drop of a hat
11/15/05 21:20:30 diane_co Logs in [71.34.156.66]
11/15/05 21:20:35 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Diane!
11/15/05 21:20:52 Janet: No Joyce...nothing different...just lots more of the same
11/15/05 21:21:12 diane_co: Hi, Jana and company
11/15/05 21:21:13 Joyce_Myers: Thanks, Janet!
11/15/05 21:21:20 Joyce_Myers: Hi Diane!
11/15/05 21:21:43 Janet: I'm growing out babies from 3 crosses and have just sowed seed from 2 more
11/15/05 21:21:57 Janet: Babie everywhere!
11/15/05 21:22:06 Janet: Babies that is
11/15/05 21:22:13 Jana_in_Indiana: sounds like a real baby boom!
11/15/05 21:22:18 Janet: LOL
11/15/05 21:22:20 Carol_NS: Janet do you grow out all the seedlings till they bloom, or do you cull before that
11/15/05 21:22:48 Janet: I cull the ones with bad foliage Carol.I don't even want to know what they blooms look like on those
11/15/05 21:22:48 Donna: Do you ever look at a new batch of babes and just dump 'em all?
11/15/05 21:22:58 Kiko Logs in [61.46.90.54]
11/15/05 21:23:04 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Kiko!
11/15/05 21:23:13 Jana_in_Indiana: what time is it in Japan?
11/15/05 21:23:23 Janet: Donna I have had only one cross where most of the babies were compost
11/15/05 21:23:23 Kiko: Hi, all
11/15/05 21:23:41 Joyce_Myers: Hi Kiko!  That leaf you gave at Convention, sure put out the babies!  I transplanted them today!
11/15/05 21:23:44 Millie: kIKO SO NICE TO HERE FROM yOU gIN
11/15/05 21:23:52 Jana_in_Indiana: how did you decide they were compost?
11/15/05 21:23:58 Cheryl_B__Wa: What was that cross? Or can you tell us?
11/15/05 21:24:01 Kiko: I'm happy to be here with you.
11/15/05 21:24:24 Millie: Sorry typing is bad as eyes are bad
11/15/05 21:24:25 Janet: The cross was a selfing of Rob's Hippity Hop and almost all of the babies were single droppers
11/15/05 21:24:38 Jana_in_Indiana: do you pollinate several flowers on one plant?
11/15/05 21:24:46 Cheryl_B__Wa: Strange...
11/15/05 21:24:47 Clare_KS: what is a selfing?
11/15/05 21:24:54 Janet: Yes Jana, I usually pollinate at least three
11/15/05 21:25:03 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks!
11/15/05 21:25:20 Carol_NS: what is a single dropper
11/15/05 21:25:20 Janet: Clare a selfing is when the pollen from a plant is used to fertlize its own flowers
11/15/05 21:25:30 goj62 Logs in [172.137.175.130]
11/15/05 21:25:36 Donna: Are you ever surpised when they bloom?
11/15/05 21:25:40 Janet: Carol. a single dropper ejects its blooms before they are faded
11/15/05 21:25:50 Carol_NS: ahhh thanks
11/15/05 21:25:54 Janet: Donna..all the time!
11/15/05 21:25:55 Clare_KS: why would you pollinate the same plant?
11/15/05 21:25:58 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Judi!
11/15/05 21:26:03 Brenda_Al: hello judi
11/15/05 21:26:17 Janet: I was curios to see what hidden recessive traitis were in Rob's Hippity Hop
11/15/05 21:26:45 Janet: Obviously one or both parents were single droppers
11/15/05 21:27:24 Jana_in_Indiana: could you estimate how long it is from pollinating to 1st bloom?
11/15/05 21:27:29 Jana_in_Indiana: a year?
11/15/05 21:27:46 Millie: Do U cross from one to another? Like I cross buckeye collosal to mac's vertiual velvet and cross mack's veruual to buckeye collosal?
11/15/05 21:27:47 goj62: hi everyone sorry haven,t been around so much but sure you,ll understabd
11/15/05 21:27:54 Janet: Jana it depends ont he variety.  I've had some that bloom when the plants are 3" across
11/15/05 21:28:06 Janet: And others that don't bloom until they are 10" across
11/15/05 21:28:09 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, sort of a criss-cross Millie?
11/15/05 21:28:14 Peggy_in_Pa.: I have to go. Long distant phone call
11/15/05 21:28:23 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Peggy!
11/15/05 21:28:27 Peggy_in_Pa.: Bye now
11/15/05 21:28:31 Peggy_in_Pa. Logs Out
11/15/05 21:28:43 Jana_in_Indiana: of course we understand Judi!
11/15/05 21:28:45 Cheryl_B__Wa: Due to the influence of the Optimaras....a lot of hobiests today don't know or haven't seen the old plants that dropped their flowers. I can remember when the big thing was 'stick tight' stars!
11/15/05 21:28:48 Janet: Millie, the results of doing a cross like that will be similar, so I usually don't
11/15/05 21:29:07 Millie: Del told me to do that ao I wondered?
11/15/05 21:29:26 Janet: No reason not to, I just have too many others I want to try
11/15/05 21:29:52 Millie: OK so not to my advandige?
11/15/05 21:29:59 Janet: no really...
11/15/05 21:30:02 Janet: not really
11/15/05 21:30:47 Cathy_Ohio Logs in [172.170.27.251]
11/15/05 21:30:51 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Cathy!
11/15/05 21:30:55 Millie: Thanks Janet
11/15/05 21:30:59 Joyce_Myers: Once pollenated, how long do you leave the pod on the plant?
11/15/05 21:31:01 Cathy_Ohio: Hi Jana
11/15/05 21:31:24 Tina_in_CO Logs in [172.135.164.121]
11/15/05 21:31:28 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Tina!
11/15/05 21:31:29 Janet: Joyce ujtil the stem is completely dry and wirey looking and the pod is shriveled
11/15/05 21:31:47 Tina_in_CO: Hello All
11/15/05 21:31:50 Joyce_Myers: Well, I did do something right! LOL
11/15/05 21:32:13 Cathy_Ohio: Hi Tina
11/15/05 21:32:17 Joyce_Myers: Do you store the seeds in the frige?
11/15/05 21:32:38 Janet: I have both seed and pollen in little film canisters in the butter compartment, LOL
11/15/05 21:33:00 Janet: DH threatens to use them as condiments
11/15/05 21:33:01 Cheryl_B__Wa: Why int he fridge?
11/15/05 21:33:10 Joyce_Myers: Film canisters...that's a great idea!
11/15/05 21:33:25 Janet: The seed and pollen last longer if refrigerated Cheryl
11/15/05 21:33:38 Joyce_Myers: I used pill bottles and I think air got to them!
11/15/05 21:33:41 Cheryl_B__Wa: ok
11/15/05 21:33:44 Jana_in_Indiana: do you store the seed in the pods or out?  What about pollen, in the anther or out?
11/15/05 21:34:00 Janet: Jana...seeds in the pod and pollen in the anthers
11/15/05 21:34:00 Donna: What's your ultimate dream of a violet?
11/15/05 21:34:05 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks!
11/15/05 21:34:17 Janet: Donna....too many to list
11/15/05 21:34:50 Cheryl_B__Wa: Can you give us anidea? That's an interesting quetsion!
11/15/05 21:34:56 Jana_in_Indiana: does it include a very deep dark blue?
11/15/05 21:34:59 Janet: I saw one that a Swedish frind concocted on his computer that was neat...it looked like the Swedish flag
11/15/05 21:35:01 Carol_NS: out of one seed pod what average do you find are REALLY nice
11/15/05 21:35:38 Donna: Do you register all of them?
11/15/05 21:35:51 Janet: Carol mnay are really nice but unless they are really different, I only keep about 2-3% of the seedlings
11/15/05 21:36:20 Janet: Donna most get donated to my local senior center where they are used as Bingo prizes
11/15/05 21:36:25 Tina_in_CO: what would you say is an average amount of seedlings you get per pod
11/15/05 21:36:44 Tina_in_CO: Great idea Janet
11/15/05 21:36:48 Janet: Tina it ranges from 15 to (my record) 385
11/15/05 21:37:00 Jana_in_Indiana: wow!
11/15/05 21:37:01 Cheryl_B__Wa: WOW!
11/15/05 21:37:07 Tina_in_CO: LOL
11/15/05 21:37:13 Janet: That pod took 5 years to bloom out all the babies
11/15/05 21:37:15 Tina_in_CO: got to love those seed pods
11/15/05 21:37:20 Joyce_Myers: 385? Do you recall what it was!
11/15/05 21:37:42 Joyce_Myers: I mean what did you cross?
11/15/05 21:37:42 Donna: Would each seedling from a pod be slightly different or are some identical twins?
11/15/05 21:37:43 Janet: Evening Shade X Optimara Connecticut
11/15/05 21:38:03 Janet: Donna there are some that are so close that I can't tell the difference
11/15/05 21:38:16 Tina_in_CO: yes I bet.  I still have about 2/3 of the seeds from three crosses and already have grown out 200 seedlings so far from the 3 LOL
11/15/05 21:38:23 Janet: But genetically speaking there would be NO identical twins
11/15/05 21:38:34 Cathy_Ohio: Did I miss someone asking how the pollen is collected? If I did or didn't can you explain that please
11/15/05 21:38:38 Joyce_Myers: Evening Shade...another pregnant at the drop of a hat! LOL
11/15/05 21:39:09 Janet: Cathy, I flick the pollen onto my thumb nail when it is dry and powdery
11/15/05 21:39:16 Clare_KS: I have a question to ask about registering violets....
11/15/05 21:39:20 Janet: yes?
11/15/05 21:39:26 Tina_in_CO: Janet what is used in the cross for cupid pink do you recall
11/15/05 21:39:38 Clare_KS: say, for instance, you and I both crossed the same two AVs...
11/15/05 21:39:52 Clare_KS: and both wanted to register the results...is that allowed?
11/15/05 21:40:00 Clare_KS: Or does the lineage matter?
11/15/05 21:40:15 Janet: Yes Clare...each seedling is genetically unique
11/15/05 21:40:19 Jana_in_Indiana: do you use Marathon (or anything) in the soil for the seedlings?  Or wait till they're bigger?
11/15/05 21:40:44 Janet: Tina, allegro Cupid Pink is a sport of Allegro Cupid...white with red center
11/15/05 21:41:08 Janet: Jana I don't use pesticides unless I know I have pests to kill
11/15/05 21:41:19 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks!
11/15/05 21:41:22 Tina_in_CO: LOL what did you use to get allegro cupid
11/15/05 21:41:51 Janet: I'd have to look that one up.  It was over 15 years ago
11/15/05 21:41:51 Tina_in_CO: did you ever release that one?
11/15/05 21:42:06 Tina_in_CO: oh ok wondered if one of the parents was a bell
11/15/05 21:42:17 Janet: No tina,  allegro Cupid sported to the pink version too often and I eventually lost it
11/15/05 21:42:32 Tina_in_CO: well I love cupid pink
11/15/05 21:42:36 Janet: No bell in the seed or pollen parent
11/15/05 21:42:48 del Logs in [70.64.104.142]
11/15/05 21:42:52 Tina_in_CO: interesting as it sure produces some nice bells
11/15/05 21:42:55 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi De l!
11/15/05 21:43:00 Janet: Hi Del!  Haven't seen you in ages
11/15/05 21:43:02 Tina_in_CO: Hello Dell
11/15/05 21:43:10 Joyce_Myers: Hi Del!
11/15/05 21:43:14 sherry: Hi Del !!
11/15/05 21:43:26 del: hi everyone sorry I was late
11/15/05 21:43:54 Tina_in_CO: Janet how many shelves do you dedicate to your hybridizing?
11/15/05 21:44:18 Janet: Tina, it's more like how many ROOMS
11/15/05 21:44:24 Jana_in_Indiana: lol
11/15/05 21:44:27 Tina_in_CO: LOL
11/15/05 21:44:27 Cheryl_B__Wa: Godbye everyone!
11/15/05 21:44:29 Tina_in_CO: oh
11/15/05 21:44:33 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Cheryl!
11/15/05 21:44:38 Tina_in_CO: night Cheryl
11/15/05 21:44:38 Cheryl_B__Wa Logs Out
11/15/05 21:45:08 Janet: Most of the basement stands are filled with 2nd and 3rd generation test babies
11/15/05 21:45:08 Donna: Janet, have you ever tried for a true yellow?
11/15/05 21:45:21 Tina_in_CO: How long do you grow out each seedling?  Do you grow them until they bloom and then if you don't like the bloom do you cull them or how do you do it?
11/15/05 21:45:35 Tina_in_CO: oh my I don't have that much room LOL
11/15/05 21:45:43 Janet: Donna, I've never been very interested in the yellows
11/15/05 21:45:52 Clare_KS: For those of us who are very new, can you suggest a few avs that are perhaps easier than others to get us started? Like you said Aca's Ember and Evening Shade are easy
11/15/05 21:46:16 Janet: Tina I wait until the second bloom cycle on most then give them away
11/15/05 21:46:52 Janet: Clare, I'd use a single for the seed parent.  they set seed seed easier and hold pods better
11/15/05 21:46:57 Tina_in_CO: so your not necessarily trying to get certain type or bloom or foliage then?
11/15/05 21:46:57 Donna: Do you have a bank of names, or do you have to see the blooms before you name it?
11/15/05 21:47:41 Janis_in_Okla Logs in [69.148.40.10]
11/15/05 21:47:46 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Janis!
11/15/05 21:47:49 Janet: Tina, I'm working on really good holly foliage at the moment
11/15/05 21:47:57 Janis_in_Okla: Hi Jana and everyone  :)
11/15/05 21:47:58 Jana_in_Indiana: cool!
11/15/05 21:48:02 del: janet when you do your crosses how many times do you polinate each flower
11/15/05 21:48:03 Janet: Donna, I wait until they bloom before naming them
11/15/05 21:48:12 Joyce_Myers: That sounds very interesting...holly foliage.
11/15/05 21:48:15 del: Hi Janis
11/15/05 21:48:22 Janis_in_Okla: Hi del :)
11/15/05 21:48:35 Janet: Del, just once per flower, but I may pollinate several flowers on the plant
11/15/05 21:49:07 Joyce_Myers: May I ask what you are using for the holly foliage?
11/15/05 21:49:10 del: why I asked is we allways polinated 2 or 3 times then never any falures
11/15/05 21:49:32 Janet: Allegro Pirouette is the best holly I've seen so far...very consistent and wine red backed
11/15/05 21:49:45 Joyce_Myers: Wow!
11/15/05 21:49:54 Janet: It's the sedd parent for most of my holly foliage crosses so far
11/15/05 21:50:16 del: this may have been asked Janet but at what stage of the flower do you  polinate
11/15/05 21:51:32 Janet: I look at the flower with a hand lens and when the stigma looks shiny I pollinate
11/15/05 21:51:49 Janet: Usuall 2-3 days after opening
11/15/05 21:51:54 Janet: Usually
11/15/05 21:52:10 del: ok thanks janet
11/15/05 21:52:37 Tina_in_CO: When do you find the pollen is right to use?
11/15/05 21:52:46 Tina_in_CO: I don't always find it powdery!
11/15/05 21:53:07 Janet: Tina, usually after the flower has been open for at least a week, sometimes longer.  the key is dry and powdery
11/15/05 21:53:17 Jana_in_Indiana: I really like your "young woman, old man" principal, I can remember that!
11/15/05 21:53:26 del: do you put the  pollen under a lamp to ripen it Janet
11/15/05 21:53:27 Janet: If it clumps it won't work in my experience
11/15/05 21:53:45 Janet: No Del....I just wait LOL
11/15/05 21:53:51 Tina_in_CO: ok that is what I have found but wasn't sure.  It seemed that the older flowers had better pollen
11/15/05 21:54:01 Janet: Exactly Tina
11/15/05 21:54:08 Tina_in_CO: Thank you
11/15/05 21:54:15 Janet: Young woman, old man, Tina
11/15/05 21:54:20 del: same with me Tina
11/15/05 21:54:20 Tina_in_CO: LOL
11/15/05 21:54:28 Jana_in_Indiana: :D
11/15/05 21:55:04 Jana_in_Indiana: do you have any tips on growing the seeds Janet?
11/15/05 21:55:35 Janet: Keeping them warm and not fertlizing are importnant.  Fertilizer cause algae
11/15/05 21:55:46 Jana_in_Indiana: warm?  How warm?
11/15/05 21:55:46 Janet: and algae can overtake the tiny seedlings
11/15/05 21:56:18 Janet: Under the lights on the top shelf or on a seed starting mat that is thermostatically controlled
11/15/05 21:56:32 Joyce_Myers: I've always misted my seeds when the soil looks a little dry.  Is that correct?
11/15/05 21:56:33 del: I found vinigar will help keep the  algae down if it develops Janet
11/15/05 21:56:52 Janet: Joyce I bottom water to keep from dislodging the seedlings
11/15/05 21:56:55 Jana_in_Indiana: I have those mats & thermostats, what do you set yours at?  What temp?
11/15/05 21:57:12 Janet: Mine are preset to 72 degrees jana
11/15/05 21:57:30 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks, mine aren't preset, it lets me select the temp
11/15/05 21:57:46 Janet: Del, does the vinegar hurt the seedlings?
11/15/05 21:57:51 Joyce_Myers: I have all the containers in the closet from your seedling write-up years ago.  I'll get them out.
11/15/05 21:58:14 Clare_KS: Jane t, Violet Gallery only lists 12 Allegros. Are the others no longer available?
11/15/05 21:58:20 del: never has so far Janet I put it in a spray bottle and lightly spray
11/15/05 21:58:22 Janet: I still use those Joyce...just bought some cookies so I'd have a new one
11/15/05 21:58:26 Candy_from_IN Logs in [66.73.6.157]
11/15/05 21:58:31 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Candy!
11/15/05 21:58:43 Joyce_Myers: Is that an excuse, Janet! LOL
11/15/05 21:58:58 Candy_from_IN: hi Jana
11/15/05 21:59:03 Janet: clare, the Violet Gallery doesn't have them all.  the Violet Showcasw will have different ones
11/15/05 21:59:12 del: Hi Candy
11/15/05 21:59:18 Tina_in_CO: Welcome Candy
11/15/05 21:59:36 Candy_from_IN: hi everyone lol
11/15/05 21:59:37 Janet: Violet Showcase in Colorado
11/15/05 21:59:46 Tina_in_CO: yes I go there LOL
11/15/05 21:59:50 Joyce_Myers: How many years have you been hybridizing?
11/15/05 22:00:53 Janet: Since 1985 Joyce
11/15/05 22:01:05 Joyce_Myers: That's wonderful
11/15/05 22:01:36 Jana_in_Indiana: do you use anything special to pick up the tiny seedlings when transplanting?
11/15/05 22:02:02 Janet: I use a notched chopstick that's been whittled flat and had a V cut out
11/15/05 22:02:19 Jana_in_Indiana: that seems to be the standard tool!  LOL
11/15/05 22:02:26 Janet: Then I can lift the seedlings by their leaves and not touch the stems which are very delicate
11/15/05 22:02:58 Janet: I'd be lost without chop sticks
11/15/05 22:03:01 Jana_in_Indiana: does it hurt anything to let them grow larger before transplanting?
11/15/05 22:03:17 Janet: No Jana...I'm just impatient
11/15/05 22:03:23 Jana_in_Indiana: ;)
11/15/05 22:03:56 Janet: Sometimes I just respace them in the seed bed and then chopstick is really handy
11/15/05 22:04:08 Jana_in_Indiana: any secrets or special tips?
11/15/05 22:04:12 Candy_from_IN: do the seedlings grow faster when you separate them?
11/15/05 22:04:49 Janet: Candy, I know some people thing that moving them stimulates root growth but I can't see any difference
11/15/05 22:04:59 Janet: I move them when they get crowded
11/15/05 22:05:43 Janet: or when they are big enough for their own pots
11/15/05 22:06:08 Jana_in_Indiana: anyone have any more questions for Janet?
11/15/05 22:06:15 Joyce_Myers: Do you dome your seedlings?
11/15/05 22:06:20 del: what size of pot do you put the seedlings into Janet
11/15/05 22:06:25 Cathy_Ohio Disconnects
11/15/05 22:06:42 Janet: Yes Joyce I keep them covered for long time
11/15/05 22:06:46 Cathy_Ohio Logs in [172.149.73.90]
11/15/05 22:06:53 Jana_in_Indiana: WB Cathy!
11/15/05 22:06:59 Janet: Del, they go into 2 1/4" pots from the seed beds
11/15/05 22:07:01 Donna Disconnects
11/15/05 22:07:12 Cathy_Ohio: thanks Jana, got lost for a minute
11/15/05 22:07:13 del: thanks
11/15/05 22:07:35 Janet: Del, I used to use thumb pots but they are a pain to keep watered
11/15/05 22:07:51 Jana_in_Indiana: abouthow large are they when you put them in 2 1/4 " pots
11/15/05 22:08:06 Joyce_Myers: Janet, this has been a real incentive or me to try harder.  Thanks for all the input.
11/15/05 22:08:07 del: I sure agree with you there I use the shallow 2 0z solo cups
11/15/05 22:08:34 Janet: Jana they are between 1/2" and 1" across
11/15/05 22:08:41 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks!
11/15/05 22:08:44 Janet: Go for it Joyce!
11/15/05 22:08:59 del: dido from me Joyce
11/15/05 22:09:07 Joyce_Myers: Thanks,guys!
11/15/05 22:09:31 Joyce_Myers: I have no idea where I'll put them!
11/15/05 22:09:34 Tina_in_CO: All you can do is try Joyce
11/15/05 22:09:41 Janet: That's the hardest part.
11/15/05 22:09:43 Joyce_Myers: I've been trying!
11/15/05 22:09:45 Tina_in_CO: LOL
11/15/05 22:09:48 Janet: I have trays all over the place
11/15/05 22:09:55 Tina_in_CO: they need there own stands that is for sure
11/15/05 22:10:05 Joyce_Myers: I have 4 room filled with violets and the Conservatory!
11/15/05 22:10:22 Janet: only 4 Joyce????
11/15/05 22:10:25 Joyce_Myers: Now I have an excuse for another stand.  Thanks, Tina!
11/15/05 22:10:29 Carol_NS: Joyce which part are you having the most trouble with
11/15/05 22:10:33 Tina_in_CO: I now have 6 shelves full and that is not including all the second generations coming up.
11/15/05 22:10:43 Tina_in_CO: No problem Joyce anytime
11/15/05 22:10:57 Joyce_Myers: My problem is getting the pollen out!
11/15/05 22:11:13 Joyce_Myers: I was taught to use scissors, but that doesn't work for me!
11/15/05 22:11:24 Janet: It sounds like you are working with unripe pollen
11/15/05 22:11:36 Candy_from_IN: i've had that problem---those tiny pollen sacs are tough for me to open too
11/15/05 22:11:36 Carol_NS: I use the sharp end of a sewing pin
11/15/05 22:11:39 Joyce_Myers: That's exactly what the problem was.
11/15/05 22:11:43 del: have you tried using the exacto knife Joyce
11/15/05 22:12:00 Joyce_Myers: Me use a knife?  You got to be kidding! LOL
11/15/05 22:12:05 Candy_from_IN: so ripe pollen opens easier?
11/15/05 22:12:14 Joyce_Myers: I'd cut myself, not the pollen sac!
11/15/05 22:12:21 Janet: There's a small opening in the bottom of each anther and if the pollen is ripe, you can flick some onto your thumbnail without ever removing the pollen sac
11/15/05 22:12:21 del: LOL Joyce
11/15/05 22:12:35 Clare_KS: Thanks so much, Janet. I have to go to bed...night all.
11/15/05 22:12:39 Clare_KS Logs Out
11/15/05 22:12:42 Joyce_Myers: I have long nails, so it will be a piece of cake...or pollen!
11/15/05 22:12:58 Janet: The caked pollen is the problem, LOL
11/15/05 22:13:16 Joyce_Myers: LOL
11/15/05 22:13:27 Candy_from_IN: is it possible to collect the pollen on a brush or something i don't think i could get it onto my nail
11/15/05 22:13:43 Joyce_Myers: I'll wait longer for the blooms, once they open
11/15/05 22:13:53 Janet: Cany, try a small pices of black construction paper so you can see it better
11/15/05 22:14:02 Candy_from_IN: ok thanks
11/15/05 22:14:19 Tina_in_CO: good idea Janet
11/15/05 22:14:26 Joyce_Myers: Great idea!
11/15/05 22:14:34 Tina_in_CO: do you find the pollen from the fading blossoms the best
11/15/05 22:15:00 Janet Logs in [69.28.5.2]
11/15/05 22:15:11 Jana_in_Indiana: WB Janet!
11/15/05 22:15:13 Tina_in_CO: WB Janet
11/15/05 22:15:20 Janet: Got the boot!
11/15/05 22:15:32 Jana_in_Indiana: oh no!
11/15/05 22:15:35 Janet: Yes Tina, faded blooms have drier pollen
11/15/05 22:15:39 Tina_in_CO: oh no
11/15/05 22:16:12 del: have you ever tried drying the pollen before you use it Janet
11/15/05 22:16:53 Janet: I sometimes stor pollen for use later Del. Then it is dry
11/15/05 22:17:05 Janet: store pollen
11/15/05 22:17:41 Candy_from_IN: i didn't think of that---faded blooms for the pollen. but what about seed flower---if that's what you call it?
11/15/05 22:18:00 del: I like to take the pollen and put it in a petre dish under a light  let it dry till the  pistal is ready
11/15/05 22:18:27 Candy_from_IN: how do you know the pistal is ready?
11/15/05 22:18:46 Janet: Candy, the flower you are pollinating needs to be much fresher...open for only 2-3 days
11/15/05 22:19:02 Candy_from_IN: ok, thanks
11/15/05 22:19:21 Janet: I look at it with a hand lens and when the pistil looks sticky and shiny, it's ready for love
11/15/05 22:19:21 Cathy_Ohio Logs in [172.151.190.195]
11/15/05 22:19:47 goj62: got to to bed  nite you.ll
11/15/05 22:19:51 Tina_in_CO: did you get booted too Candy
11/15/05 22:20:10 Brenda_Al: nite judi
11/15/05 22:20:12 Candy_from_IN: i think that's the hard part, i need to take my magnifying glass and look more so i know what i'm looking for
11/15/05 22:20:12 Tina_in_CO: night goj62
11/15/05 22:20:17 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Judi!
11/15/05 22:20:30 Candy_from_IN: nope---still here
11/15/05 22:20:35 goj62: nite all
11/15/05 22:20:37 goj62 Logs Out
11/15/05 22:20:40 Cathy_Ohio: I just got booted.. bummer such good conversation
11/15/05 22:21:38 Tina_in_CO: Janet do you find that if you use a semi or mini as the seed parent you will get more semi or mini off spring
11/15/05 22:22:09 Janet: Tina, using what for a pollen parent?
11/15/05 22:22:22 Tina_in_CO: a standard
11/15/05 22:23:18 diane_co: Goodnight all!
11/15/05 22:23:27 Janet: Since the smaller size is the dominant trait, you should get a 50-50 split (approximately) either way
11/15/05 22:23:28 Cathy_Ohio: Tina, do you have any new ones coming out soon?
11/15/05 22:23:32 Joyce_Myers: Night, Diane!
11/15/05 22:23:32 diane_co Logs Out
11/15/05 22:23:34 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nitye
11/15/05 22:23:52 Jana_in_Indiana: Janet, thanks for doing this chat for all of us!  You're a dear sweet person!  Should we let you go?
11/15/05 22:24:24 Janet: I'm home alone and happy to be here Jana
11/15/05 22:24:44 Jana_in_Indiana: great!  Then feel free to stay the night!  LOL
11/15/05 22:25:02 Janet: Okey Doke...let me get my jammies and teddy bear
11/15/05 22:25:11 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
11/15/05 22:25:16 Candy_from_IN: lol on the jammies
11/15/05 22:25:16 Carol_NS: if you have a small plant and a standard, how does the dominant trait turn out to be small
11/15/05 22:25:17 Tina_in_CO: Cathy hopefully in the spring
11/15/05 22:25:54 Tina_in_CO: Thank you Janet is was great to ask you questions and chat with you.
11/15/05 22:26:03 Janet: Carol mini/semi mini is the dominant trait over standard size. A dominant crossed with a recessive will give you about 50 % of each
11/15/05 22:26:27 Carol_NS: thanks Janet
11/15/05 22:26:46 Jana_in_Indiana: there are lists of the dominant & recessive traite of AV's in the files, from Dr. Jeff Smith
11/15/05 22:27:00 Jana_in_Indiana: traits*
11/15/05 22:27:24 Tina_in_CO: Candy if your not a member you can also join and ask question on VR sister list on hybridizing
11/15/05 22:28:18 Candy_from_IN: thanks
11/15/05 22:28:20 Jana_in_Indiana: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3SistersNewBeginningsHybridizing
11/15/05 22:28:22 Joyce_Myers: Night to everyone!  Janet it's been a pleasure to sit in on the chat.  It's been of gret encouragement to me.  Night all!
11/15/05 22:28:39 Tina_in_CO: Nice to see you too Joyce thank you for coming.
11/15/05 22:28:40 Carol_NS: nite Joyce
11/15/05 22:28:42 Tony__IL: nite Joyce
11/15/05 22:28:42 Janet: Take Joyce and keep up the pollen daubing!
11/15/05 22:28:46 Joyce_Myers Logs Out
11/15/05 22:28:46 del: night Joyce
11/15/05 22:28:49 Janet: Take care
11/15/05 22:28:49 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Joyce!
11/15/05 22:29:00 Janet: too late......*sigh*
11/15/05 22:29:03 Candy_from_IN: nite
11/15/05 22:29:29 Candy_from_IN: thanks for the link Jana
11/15/05 22:29:42 Jana_in_Indiana: you're welcome!
11/15/05 22:29:44 Tony__IL: Kiko, what time is it in Japan, very early?
11/15/05 22:30:06 Tina_in_CO: Hi Kiko didn't see you here.  How are you?
11/15/05 22:30:16 Kiko: It's lunch time. lol
11/15/05 22:30:30 Jana_in_Indiana: really?  almost bed time here!
11/15/05 22:30:30 Kiko: Hi Tina,
11/15/05 22:30:46 sherry Logs Out
11/15/05 22:30:56 del: you  going to bed early Jana LOL
11/15/05 22:30:58 Kiko: I have banana and coffee, chtating.
11/15/05 22:31:02 Jana_in_Indiana: Kiko, I sent one of the packages of Hi Fresh to Pat Hancock, she's using it now too
11/15/05 22:31:25 Jana_in_Indiana: no De l!  Just about time for normal people, LOL
11/15/05 22:31:26 Kiko: How is it?
11/15/05 22:31:31 Candy_from_IN: it's 2 pm in Australia, that's where my daughter is
11/15/05 22:31:45 del: that lets us out Jana
11/15/05 22:31:57 Jana_in_Indiana: I'll ask her how she likes it & let you know -- talked to her last night, but not a lot about AV's, LOL
11/15/05 22:32:13 Jana_in_Indiana: sure does De l!
11/15/05 22:32:27 Jana_in_Indiana: Janet, you should come to chats more often!
11/15/05 22:32:40 Janis_in_Okla: Jana, do you think my plants will be ok that is in the mail?
11/15/05 22:32:50 del: a big yes Jana she should
11/15/05 22:32:51 Carol_NS: Janet do you find that you have better luck with seed pods maturing if you have several on one plant
11/15/05 22:33:03 Jana_in_Indiana: they're packed & insulated well, I sure hope so!
11/15/05 22:33:22 Janis_in_Okla: thanks that makes me feel better. :)
11/15/05 22:33:36 Janet: Carol, I haven're really noticed any difference
11/15/05 22:33:41 Janis_in_Okla: I worry about them.
11/15/05 22:33:42 Carol_NS: oh, OK
11/15/05 22:33:44 Jana_in_Indiana: besides, they'll be packed tight inside a trailer, not sitting outside alone -- till they get to your house
11/15/05 22:34:08 Janis_in_Okla: thats good....shipping plants is all so new to me
11/15/05 22:34:29 Jana_in_Indiana: all those boxes together insulate each other
11/15/05 22:35:05 Jana_in_Indiana: Carol, I do remember Jeff Smith saying that the more seed pods the better, makes more hormones to keep them going
11/15/05 22:35:07 Janis_in_Okla: good.  I was looking at pictures of those plants on the AVSA web site last night and drooling.  LOL
11/15/05 22:35:32 Jana_in_Indiana: do you find that to be true too Janet?
11/15/05 22:35:55 Cathy_Ohio Disconnects
11/15/05 22:35:55 Carol_NS: that's what I thought Jana I just wondered if Janet had noticed any diff, Tina do you find a difference if there are more seed pods on the one plant
11/15/05 22:35:56 Janet: Not really....I've had lots of single pods on plants over the years
11/15/05 22:36:17 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, good, so don't really worry about that?
11/15/05 22:36:31 del: do you do any back crossing with your new developed violets Janet
11/15/05 22:36:40 Brenda_Al: thank you Janet for a wonderful chat. So much to learn and so little time. Have to go, not feeling well. c u guys later
11/15/05 22:36:43 Brenda_Al Logs Out
11/15/05 22:36:45 Janet: I'd still pollinate several flowers in hopes of getting one to "take"
11/15/05 22:37:02 del: night Brenda
11/15/05 22:37:14 Tina_in_CO: Not really Carol.  Usually I do find that if one take on a plant then I usually get another but not always.  Have lots of seed pods single and some with more than one maturing.  I am trying to wait patiently but it is hard
11/15/05 22:37:33 Jana_in_Indiana: my biggest fear is handling the tiny seedlings -- I let Pat's seedlings get pretty large before transplanting & they are doing fine.  My shaking hands aren't too trusty ;)
11/15/05 22:37:39 Carol_NS: one would never pollinate with/ on a first blooming would they?
11/15/05 22:37:43 Janet: Del I have yet to get a good single lavender with black tips and am going to have to do a backcross.  the only one I got was a single dropper
11/15/05 22:38:10 Kiko: I've never cross AVs yet,
11/15/05 22:38:30 Jana_in_Indiana: why not Kiko?  Give it a try!
11/15/05 22:38:39 Kiko: I'll try! like Janet and Tina.
11/15/05 22:38:44 Janet: Carol, no reason why not
11/15/05 22:38:47 Jana_in_Indiana: good!  ;)
11/15/05 22:38:58 del: I did find that by back crossing  I could get different results from doing it and even odd time a better violet than the orignal one was
11/15/05 22:39:10 Carol_NS: oh, ok I just wasn't sure if they would be 'ready' enough
11/15/05 22:39:40 Tina_in_CO: Yes do try Kiko it can't hurt and it is fun
11/15/05 22:39:45 del: everyone should at least try  hybridizing
11/15/05 22:39:46 Janet: Carol, you might get more flowers as the plant matures.  That might be an advantage
11/15/05 22:40:16 Kiko: Thanks Tina :<
11/15/05 22:40:29 Tina_in_CO: I have tried that on one of mine Del we will see what we get.  I am hoping to bring out the edging on the wasp
11/15/05 22:40:59 del: thats the same as i was looking for Tina
11/15/05 22:41:18 Janet: Del, are you working on wasps too?
11/15/05 22:41:28 Jana_in_Indiana: I can see it now, as soon as chat is over we all go looking for faded blooms & shiny stigmas!  LOL
11/15/05 22:41:41 Carol_NS: lol Jana
11/15/05 22:41:48 Tina_in_CO: I think the edging maybe temp variant as I found it on a 3rd or 4th generation plant LOL.
11/15/05 22:41:50 Janet: Raw flaming sex in the violet rooms
11/15/05 22:41:56 Carol_NS: I just wish I had some in bloom
11/15/05 22:42:02 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL  Janet!!!
11/15/05 22:42:13 del: no  on bell flowered ones got 2 with red in the edgeing but faint trying to bring it out stronger Janet
11/15/05 22:42:14 Tina_in_CO: ROTFL
11/15/05 22:42:27 Candy_from_IN: LOL
11/15/05 22:42:36 Tina_in_CO: yes try back crossing it del
11/15/05 22:42:57 Kiko: I love bell,del
11/15/05 22:42:58 del: it is done  Tina waiting for blooms right now
11/15/05 22:43:02 Janet: Has anyone grown Tipped Honey?  Mine are all sterile
11/15/05 22:43:13 Tina_in_CO: no I haven't Janet
11/15/05 22:43:15 del: not me
11/15/05 22:43:15 Tina_in_CO: bummer
11/15/05 22:43:30 Tina_in_CO: Oh well let me know how it works Del
11/15/05 22:43:34 Jana_in_Indiana: why & how could they all be sterile?
11/15/05 22:43:42 del: sure will Tina
11/15/05 22:43:51 Tina_in_CO: you might like a few of my bells Del from my wasp cross LOL
11/15/05 22:44:10 Janet: I have a tipped, notched Allegro mini I want to cross with Tipped Honey and there are no anthers on any of them
11/15/05 22:44:11 Jana_in_Indiana: Kiko, De l LOVES bells!
11/15/05 22:44:29 Jana_in_Indiana: well that's not fair!
11/15/05 22:44:33 del: so right Jana
11/15/05 22:44:42 Kiko: :)
11/15/05 22:44:46 Tina_in_CO: what about crossing it the other way Janet is there a stigma?
11/15/05 22:45:23 Janet: No pistils either...all converted to extra petals
11/15/05 22:45:30 Tina_in_CO: bummer
11/15/05 22:45:40 Jana_in_Indiana: have you tried removing each petal one by one to see if they're hidden?
11/15/05 22:45:53 Tina_in_CO: well just maybe  you will get lucky and find one on one blossom
11/15/05 22:46:01 Janet: You would not believe how many tipped Honey flowers I've ravaged, jana
11/15/05 22:46:08 Tina_in_CO: LOL
11/15/05 22:46:08 Jana_in_Indiana: ;)
11/15/05 22:46:25 Tina_in_CO: violet blossom abuse
11/15/05 22:46:36 Janet: big time!
11/15/05 22:46:44 Jana_in_Indiana: Janet, have you ever tried applying the pollen with a petal?
11/15/05 22:46:59 Janet: No, I've never tried that.
11/15/05 22:47:33 Carol_NS: is this just your Tipped Honey or are they all like that
11/15/05 22:47:35 Jana_in_Indiana: Pat told me that almost eliminated any chance of damaging the stigma
11/15/05 22:47:57 Janet: Carol, I haven;t found anyone else who keeps it so I don't know
11/15/05 22:48:11 Jana_in_Indiana: post to the group asking if anyone has it
11/15/05 22:48:14 Carol_NS: that complicates things
11/15/05 22:48:16 Janet: Irish Flirt is sterile too
11/15/05 22:48:36 Candy_from_IN: i didn't know that irish flirt was sterile
11/15/05 22:48:38 del: mine is also Janet
11/15/05 22:48:46 Tina_in_CO: yes the semi and the double tend to have that problem
11/15/05 22:48:54 Candy_from_IN: guess that's why no crosses took lol
11/15/05 22:49:15 Tina_in_CO: Janet have you worked with any trailers?
11/15/05 22:49:24 Janet: Did you ever find any reproductive parts on Irish Flirt Candy?
11/15/05 22:50:15 Janet: No Tina..no trailers yet
11/15/05 22:50:18 Candy_from_IN: honestly i didn't look! i just took a wasp flower that had lots of pollen and did the bee thing on the flowers but nothing came of it
11/15/05 22:50:32 Jana_in_Indiana: FYI, on the 3 sisters hybridizing group I uploaded a flower anatomy chart if anyone want to print it out as a guide
11/15/05 22:50:56 Tina_in_CO: Thank you Jana
11/15/05 22:51:26 Jana_in_Indiana: you're welocme, it was a while ago, just letting them know it's there, makes a great cheat sheet!  LOL
11/15/05 22:51:26 Carol_NS: I must go to the files and read again the dominant and recessive traits, maybe they will stick better in my mind this time
11/15/05 22:51:32 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Carol!
11/15/05 22:51:48 Tina_in_CO: I refer to them alot Carol
11/15/05 22:51:54 Carol_NS: are you trying to get rid of me Jana lol
11/15/05 22:51:58 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL  I saw it said I must go & thought you were leaving, ;D
11/15/05 22:52:01 Janet: Carol, I laminated mine and hung it in the violet room LOL
11/15/05 22:52:03 Carol_NS: laffin
11/15/05 22:52:33 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
11/15/05 22:52:40 Tina_in_CO: I have not had any luck in trying to cross to a trailer
11/15/05 22:53:02 Janet: Are you using double flowers on the trailer Tina?
11/15/05 22:53:05 Tina_in_CO: not sure if it is because they are mainly semi or double blossoms or if the pollen I used was no good
11/15/05 22:53:11 Carol_NS: the first time I read them it was very much a jumble to even wonder which traits one might want, but it is coming clearer now
11/15/05 22:54:02 Jana_in_Indiana: just keep the list handy, but when it comes down to it, if 2 are blooming, go for it!  LOL
11/15/05 22:54:12 Tina_in_CO: I love Rob's sailor bill as it trails so nice but so far no luck.
11/15/05 22:54:16 Carol_NS: good plan Jana
11/15/05 22:54:26 Tina_in_CO: I prefer the more vine type trailers
11/15/05 22:55:04 Tina_in_CO: Guess I need to find some nice single blossom trailers LOL
11/15/05 22:56:08 Janet: Tina are you crossing trailer x trailer?
11/15/05 22:56:15 Jana_in_Indiana: there are 181 listed in FC2 Tina
11/15/05 22:56:38 Tina_in_CO: no want to cross wasp to trailer
11/15/05 22:56:54 Tina_in_CO: Yes I see that jana was just browsing as we speak LOL
11/15/05 22:56:56 Jana_in_Indiana: going for a wasp trailer?
11/15/05 22:57:04 Tina_in_CO: yes would like to
11/15/05 22:57:05 Kiko: Eas
11/15/05 22:57:18 Kiko: Wasp trailer,wow!
11/15/05 22:57:27 Jana_in_Indiana: that would be different!
11/15/05 22:57:34 Carol_NS: that would be neat
11/15/05 22:57:39 Tina_in_CO: maybe I shoould try crossing to a bell trailer and see how that would work
11/15/05 22:57:44 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm still waiting for a variegated wasp!  LOL
11/15/05 22:58:11 Kiko: Me too! lol
11/15/05 22:58:21 Tina_in_CO: I am working on it LOL.  Don't have many variegated plants need to get some more and then wait for them to bloom LOL
11/15/05 22:58:32 Tina_in_CO: would love a mosaic wasp
11/15/05 22:58:42 Jana_in_Indiana: well heck Tina, I could have sent you loads of leaves, LOL
11/15/05 22:58:49 Tina_in_CO: oh so many crosses so little time and space LOL
11/15/05 22:58:56 Jana_in_Indiana: so true!!!
11/15/05 22:58:56 Tina_in_CO: ROTFL
11/15/05 22:59:21 Tina_in_CO: well those standards take up so much space LOL
11/15/05 22:59:35 Jana_in_Indiana: but they're so much worth it!  ;)
11/15/05 23:00:24 Tina_in_CO: you try growing out 3 or 4 generations of seedlings LOL
11/15/05 23:00:38 Tina_in_CO: anyone have indian trail?
11/15/05 23:00:56 Jana_in_Indiana: Janet, I want you to know you really did get the members to chat!  These past few weeks we usually had 3 to 5 members in chat
11/15/05 23:01:24 Tina_in_CO: It has been a great Chat
11/15/05 23:01:26 Janet: Well that's music to my ears, Jana!  Thanks!
11/15/05 23:01:38 Jana_in_Indiana: thank YOU!!!!
11/15/05 23:02:05 Janet: Del and tina have you ever worked with pebbled foliage?
11/15/05 23:02:09 Carol_NS: yes, thank you very much Janet it was a wonderful chat
11/15/05 23:02:10 Jana_in_Indiana: Tony, did you keep count?  I was up to 22
11/15/05 23:02:35 del: no never tried thst one YET
11/15/05 23:02:43 Tina_in_CO: Not purposely Janet.  Have you found it hard to work with
11/15/05 23:02:53 Candy_from_IN: has anyone crossed with species?
11/15/05 23:03:02 Jana_in_Indiana: Jeff Smith does
11/15/05 23:03:08 Janet: I have a seedling I'm testing...Allegro White Notcho.  It has notched petal tips and pebbled mini foliage
11/15/05 23:03:18 Jana_in_Indiana: all his Yesterday series are from species
11/15/05 23:03:42 Candy_from_IN: yes, i have heard about the yesterday series
11/15/05 23:04:26 Jana_in_Indiana: I've heard it's hard to get a bloom that doesn't drop
11/15/05 23:04:40 Candy_from_IN: on the species?
11/15/05 23:04:41 Jana_in_Indiana: from species crosses
11/15/05 23:04:47 Tina_in_CO: did you purposely cross for the pebbled foliage?
11/15/05 23:05:06 Tina_in_CO: I have crossed with species Candy
11/15/05 23:05:35 Janet: Yes Tina...used Allegro Darcy Farrow which has very pebbled foliage
11/15/05 23:05:49 Jana_in_Indiana: did the blooms drop Tina?
11/15/05 23:06:11 Tina_in_CO: Not too bad Jana
11/15/05 23:06:14 Candy_from_IN: what were your results. Tina?
11/15/05 23:06:39 Tina_in_CO: I got some beautiful foliage out of them.  Blue blossoms though
11/15/05 23:07:17 Tony__IL: Thanks for being here, Janet
11/15/05 23:07:20 Candy_from_IN: so the blue blossoms are probably dominant?
11/15/05 23:07:25 Tina_in_CO: hairy, soft, heavily veined, dark green foliage with red backs
11/15/05 23:07:28 Tina_in_CO: yes
11/15/05 23:07:40 Janet: Everyone sing now...."Oh I got the dominant blues"
11/15/05 23:07:51 Candy_from_IN: lol
11/15/05 23:07:52 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
11/15/05 23:08:00 del: starting to see double  so better go and rest the eyes
11/15/05 23:08:00 Tina_in_CO: I already back crossed it to see if I could get wasp blossoms on that foliage LOL
11/15/05 23:08:12 Candy_from_IN: Tina, what species did you use for the cross?
11/15/05 23:08:12 del: thanks Janet for coming tonight
11/15/05 23:08:17 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Del!
11/15/05 23:08:20 Janet: Nite Del!
11/15/05 23:08:20 Tina_in_CO: Night Del thanks for coming and chatting
11/15/05 23:08:23 Tina_in_CO: S. Velutina
11/15/05 23:08:39 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks for giving up your chat De l!
11/15/05 23:08:42 Tony__IL: nite Rooster
11/15/05 23:08:53 Tina_in_CO: That cross was pretty much all blue blossoms
11/15/05 23:09:09 del Logs Out
11/15/05 23:09:26 Tina_in_CO: did get a few wasps from that cross but are heavily bustled and blue blossoms so we will see
11/15/05 23:10:14 Janis_in_Okla: can't wait to see all of this chat in log
11/15/05 23:10:18 Tina_in_CO: the one I back crossed the foliage leaves are very large
11/15/05 23:10:29 Jana_in_Indiana: it will be on www.violetreflections.com
11/15/05 23:10:40 Carol_NS: Tina when you are coming up with wasp blossoms do you always start with 2 wasps?
11/15/05 23:11:03 Janis_in_Okla: thank you Jana...half the time I get lost.
11/15/05 23:11:21 Tina_in_CO: no I cross a wasp to a non wasp.  I have never actaully crossed a wasp with a wasp until this year and have several wasps that I selfed with seed pods coming
11/15/05 23:11:36 Carol_NS: oh, neat
11/15/05 23:11:54 Jana_in_Indiana: just ask anytime you need a point in the right direction Janis!
11/15/05 23:12:05 Carol_NS: is the wasp the mother plant or does it matter?
11/15/05 23:12:15 Tina_in_CO: I am not sure what will happen with the self crosses I worry about them being too out of control foliage wise LOL
11/15/05 23:12:36 Tina_in_CO: doesn't matter Carol the wasp trait is dominant
11/15/05 23:12:43 Janis_in_Okla: Ok I will remember that.  I almost asked here awhile back but I think I finally found what I was looking for
11/15/05 23:12:45 Carol_NS: oh, thanks Tina
11/15/05 23:13:02 Queenie: OMG! This was one deep discussion! Will I ever understand all your "lingo" and hybridizing information?  What a great group!
11/15/05 23:13:12 Jana_in_Indiana: it's hard to believe Wasp blooms & bustled foliage didn't appear till 1957
11/15/05 23:13:24 Tina_in_CO: yes you will Queenie just takes a little time
11/15/05 23:13:44 Janis_in_Okla: Queenie I am thinking the same thing.
11/15/05 23:13:46 Tina_in_CO: it was a sport from some leaves that were put down
11/15/05 23:14:00 Janis_in_Okla: some of the stuff is sinking in but its taken months.  LOL
11/15/05 23:14:31 Jana_in_Indiana: just print out the inportant stuff & keep it handy!  ;)
11/15/05 23:14:40 Jana_in_Indiana: important*
11/15/05 23:14:42 Janis_in_Okla: good idea.
11/15/05 23:14:59 Tina_in_CO: I got my club to make a wasp class in the next show so they can be judged as their own and not against regular AV's
11/15/05 23:15:19 Tina_in_CO: just ask what you don't understand Janis
11/15/05 23:15:24 Janis_in_Okla: I am learning some things.  Never had a desire to cross any of my plants until I started reading about all of the things that can be done
11/15/05 23:15:34 Queenie: Thanks, Jana.  Great tip.
11/15/05 23:15:58 Jana_in_Indiana: welcome!
11/15/05 23:15:58 Janet: Don't forget you can send in questions to Jeff Smith too.  He's always looking for questions to include in his column
11/15/05 23:16:10 Tina_in_CO: yes that is true
11/15/05 23:16:16 Jana_in_Indiana: he's very nice about answering e-mails
11/15/05 23:16:16 Janis_in_Okla: wasp class sounds great Tina....surprised they haven't done it long before now
11/15/05 23:16:25 Tina_in_CO: Please also come and ask on the hybridizing group.
11/15/05 23:16:32 Jana_in_Indiana: jsmith4@bsu.edu
11/15/05 23:16:36 Tina_in_CO: Janet are you a member if not we would love to have you
11/15/05 23:16:51 Candy_from_IN: the wasp class is a good idea because they tend to be a bit unruly
11/15/05 23:17:01 Tina_in_CO: well wasps have had a recent surge in the last few years
11/15/05 23:17:03 Janet: No Tina. I'll have to check it out
11/15/05 23:17:19 Tina_in_CO: it is new and not greatly active but that will come with time
11/15/05 23:17:37 Janet: The AVI hybridizing list is sure quiet these days
11/15/05 23:17:39 Janis_in_Okla: I just joined the hybridizing list....is there any other lists that would be helpful in learning the most about violets besides violet reflections and hybridizing?
11/15/05 23:17:43 Tina_in_CO: you cannot judge a bustled plant again a non bustled LOL
11/15/05 23:17:46 Carol_NS: after tonight Tina it might really be humming
11/15/05 23:17:57 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
11/15/05 23:17:57 Candy_from_IN Logs Out
11/15/05 23:18:02 Tina_in_CO: that would be good Carol
11/15/05 23:18:05 Tina_in_CO: Yes it is
11/15/05 23:18:07 Candy_from_IN Logs in [66.73.6.157]
11/15/05 23:18:12 Tina_in_CO: wb candy
11/15/05 23:18:16 Jana_in_Indiana: WB Candy!
11/15/05 23:18:28 Candy_from_IN: ooops i hit the wrong key and *bink* i was out
11/15/05 23:18:34 Tina_in_CO: LOL
11/15/05 23:18:39 Janis_in_Okla: I do have  question......what does bustled mean?
11/15/05 23:18:56 Candy_from_IN: ooo i have a good bustle picture
11/15/05 23:19:02 Janis_in_Okla: LOL
11/15/05 23:19:10 Tina_in_CO: you know the wasp leaves that look like two leaves back to back?
11/15/05 23:19:17 Janis_in_Okla: yes
11/15/05 23:19:19 Tina_in_CO: That is a bustled leaf
11/15/05 23:19:26 Candy_from_IN: http://www.designbycandy.com/personal/avs/b-bkblu.jpg
11/15/05 23:19:27 Jana_in_Indiana: http://www.rosebudm.com/lavg/lavg-blossom_leaf_identification.htm
11/15/05 23:19:40 Jana_in_Indiana: that link shows photos of leaves & blossoms
11/15/05 23:19:44 Jana_in_Indiana: & the types
11/15/05 23:19:45 Janis_in_Okla: oh ok....I thought those leaves you sent me looked odd but I knew Wasps were different
11/15/05 23:20:00 Tina_in_CO: those are bustled leaves Janis
11/15/05 23:20:12 Tina_in_CO: now not all wasps have bustled leaves
11/15/05 23:20:15 Janis_in_Okla: cool
11/15/05 23:20:33 Tina_in_CO: but you will not have bustled leaves on a plant without the wasp blossoms
11/15/05 23:20:33 Jana_in_Indiana: Janis, think of the bustles on womens dresses back in the day ;)
11/15/05 23:20:37 Janis_in_Okla: Is wasps the only violets that have bustled leaves?
11/15/05 23:20:37 Tony__IL: are all bustled leaves wasps?
11/15/05 23:20:42 Janet: I wonder if the traits can be separated.  I'd like to see a standard flower on bustled foliage
11/15/05 23:20:46 Tina_in_CO: Yes tony
11/15/05 23:20:51 Janis_in_Okla: I understand that Jana
11/15/05 23:21:03 Tony__IL: got it
11/15/05 23:21:06 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
11/15/05 23:21:12 Tina_in_CO: so far they are linked but not sure why you can get a wasp without the bustled foliage
11/15/05 23:21:29 Tina_in_CO: but not a bustled foliage without a wasp LOL
11/15/05 23:21:57 Janis_in_Okla: had to read that over several times.  LOL
11/15/05 23:22:11 Jana_in_Indiana: keep trying, you'll get it done if it's possible!
11/15/05 23:22:18 Tina_in_CO: well I have a few that are not typical wasp blossoms on bustled foliage so we will see
11/15/05 23:22:39 Tina_in_CO: you would think I might run across one with all the wasp crosses I am doing LOL
11/15/05 23:22:45 Janet: What is David Senk working on these days?
11/15/05 23:23:15 Jana_in_Indiana: frankenstein?
11/15/05 23:23:16 Tina_in_CO: He was working on yellow but not sure Janet
11/15/05 23:23:26 Carol_NS: when you talk about wasp foliage as being unruly, what do you mean
11/15/05 23:23:34 Jana_in_Indiana: he comes up with unusual ones for certain!
11/15/05 23:23:41 Janet: He does have some....well...."interesting" ones
11/15/05 23:23:47 Tina_in_CO: some of his are too unruly for me
11/15/05 23:24:10 Candy_from_IN: Carol, often the leaves will not lay flat because of the bustles
11/15/05 23:24:19 Janis_in_Okla: Carol, all the talk about the unrulyness is what made me wants some wasps.  LOL
11/15/05 23:24:21 Tina_in_CO: the bustled leaves as you can imagine don't lay real flat or symmetrical and as they mature the petioles tend to twist and turn
11/15/05 23:24:52 Janet: We wouldn't lay flat with a bustle on either, ladies
11/15/05 23:24:59 Tina_in_CO: some of them look like little aliens next to regular violets LOL
11/15/05 23:25:00 Jana_in_Indiana: lol
11/15/05 23:25:01 Candy_from_IN: i have my behavin' violets and my unruly ones and i love 'em all
11/15/05 23:25:06 Tina_in_CO: ROTFL
11/15/05 23:25:08 Janis_in_Okla: your right Janet  LOL
11/15/05 23:25:24 Carol_NS: oh, OK that makes sense, and it would make a lot of sense to not have them showing in the same class as a regular AV
11/15/05 23:25:34 Janis_in_Okla: I am really becoming addicted
11/15/05 23:25:38 Tina_in_CO: yes it would
11/15/05 23:25:46 Jana_in_Indiana: becoming????????????
11/15/05 23:25:46 Tina_in_CO: not sure how many show do that
11/15/05 23:25:47 Janis_in_Okla: I can no longer say no
11/15/05 23:25:57 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
11/15/05 23:25:57 Tina_in_CO: LOL
11/15/05 23:26:02 Candy_from_IN: i saw some pictures of some that David Senk is working on and i love the unruly ones but he said they are not propigating well
11/15/05 23:26:02 Janis_in_Okla: yes its worse than before.
11/15/05 23:26:20 Jana_in_Indiana: :?
11/15/05 23:26:27 Janis_in_Okla: My kids claim I sing to my violets and leaves
11/15/05 23:26:31 Janis_in_Okla: lol
11/15/05 23:26:48 Janet: Janis, mine are subjected to live bluegrass musci every Thursday night
11/15/05 23:26:52 Jana_in_Indiana: well, just wait till you buy the AV's Christmas presents!!!  LOL
11/15/05 23:26:54 Janet: music
11/15/05 23:27:00 Tina_in_CO: I was putting dowm more second generation leaves before chat so her is crossing finger some of those fantasy wasps stay true
11/15/05 23:27:04 Queenie: Does it matter is they are unruly!  I LOVE them all. Want 'um, want 'um, want 'um!
11/15/05 23:27:17 Janis_in_Okla: your right Jana
11/15/05 23:27:34 Candy_from_IN: singing would be good---don't plants like carbon dioxide and convert it back to oxygen?
11/15/05 23:27:39 Janis_in_Okla: they need a big lighted stand for christmas.  LOL
11/15/05 23:27:56 Jana_in_Indiana: ;)
11/15/05 23:28:01 Jana_in_Indiana: mine too!
11/15/05 23:28:02 Tina_in_CO: I need a bigger room and more plant stands LOL
11/15/05 23:28:11 Janis_in_Okla: oh yesss Tina
11/15/05 23:28:16 Candy_from_IN: just use the lighted stand in place of the tree
11/15/05 23:28:26 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
11/15/05 23:28:32 Janis_in_Okla: good idea Candy
11/15/05 23:28:47 Janis_in_Okla: I am afraid my grandbabies wouldn't understand though.  LOL
11/15/05 23:28:56 Janet: Is anyone growing Senk's Alchemy Antique Bells?  I just got leaves in a trade
11/15/05 23:28:57 Candy_from_IN: just tuck in a few ornaments around all the pretty flowers
11/15/05 23:29:13 Jana_in_Indiana: huuummm, Christmas in Violetland???
11/15/05 23:29:18 Janis_in_Okla: Hmm thats a thought
11/15/05 23:29:24 Jana_in_Indiana: not me
11/15/05 23:29:31 Tina_in_CO: not me Janet
11/15/05 23:30:00 Tony__IL: easier than putting up a tree
11/15/05 23:30:25 Jana_in_Indiana: "deck the shelves with boughs of holly..."
11/15/05 23:30:35 Janis_in_Okla: Tony all my leaves are doing great....you should get a letter in the mail any day now.....
11/15/05 23:30:44 Candy_from_IN: the Senk violet i wish i has is Anemone but that's one that's not propigating well :(
11/15/05 23:30:46 Tina_in_CO: you will have to let us know about it janet
11/15/05 23:30:55 Tony__IL: thanks Jani s. Glad to hear it
11/15/05 23:31:03 Janis_in_Okla: I finally got it mailed off yesterday due to granddaughters birthday party and everything going on here
11/15/05 23:31:38 Tony__IL: how many candles?
11/15/05 23:31:55 Janis_in_Okla: Oh and I bought a magnifying glass so I can see anything on my plants.  Just in case.
11/15/05 23:32:12 Janis_in_Okla: 5 candles
11/15/05 23:32:21 Tony__IL: nice age
11/15/05 23:32:23 Jana_in_Indiana: BRB
11/15/05 23:32:48 Janis_in_Okla: almost missed that.  We had a private party here on Friday and then a big birthday party on Sunday
11/15/05 23:33:11 Tony__IL: Janet, how many helpers do you have??
11/15/05 23:33:16 Tina_in_CO: yes a fun age
11/15/05 23:33:40 Janet: Helpers?  HELPERS?
11/15/05 23:34:05 Tony__IL: employees?
11/15/05 23:34:35 Tina_in_CO: LOL
11/15/05 23:34:46 Janet: None.  It takes me an entire 8 hour day to water my 2000+ violets and another day to water the orchids and houseplants LOL
11/15/05 23:35:29 Candy_from_IN: oh my, Janet!!!
11/15/05 23:35:34 Tony__IL: Gee, how do you keep up. I have about 400 and seems like I'm always behind
11/15/05 23:36:33 Janet: Repotting is an ongoing task...as soon as I finish repotting the last tray it's time to start over
11/15/05 23:37:00 Tony__IL: I can believe that. How many stands/trays
11/15/05 23:37:09 Carol_NS: well, this time I am really going... it is way late in my world, in fact I am now into tomorrow... so nite all and thanks again Janet and thanks Tina for your info as well
11/15/05 23:37:25 Tony__IL: nite Carol
11/15/05 23:37:31 Janet: Goodnight Carol. thanks for coming!
11/15/05 23:37:45 Candy_from_IN: nite
11/15/05 23:37:49 Carol_NS: nite Tony, it was my pleasure to join you
11/15/05 23:37:59 Carol_NS: nite all
11/15/05 23:38:05 Tony__IL: come back soon
11/15/05 23:38:13 Janet: Tony, 9 stands and well over 100 large cafeteria trays
11/15/05 23:38:13 Carol_NS: will do lol
11/15/05 23:38:27 Carol_NS Logs Out
11/15/05 23:38:33 Janis_in_Okla: Janet....I hope you don't burn out.  I think with that many I might
11/15/05 23:38:37 Tony__IL: holy cr#p that's a LOT
11/15/05 23:39:03 Janis_in_Okla: that is a lot....
11/15/05 23:39:20 Janet: Janis after 25 years of this, I don't expect to burn out...drop of exhaustion perhaps, but not burn out
11/15/05 23:39:35 Janis_in_Okla: thats good.  :)
11/15/05 23:39:48 Tina_in_CO: night Carol
11/15/05 23:39:58 Janis_in_Okla: is there a vitual tour of your nursery?
11/15/05 23:40:10 Janis_in_Okla: that would be fun to see
11/15/05 23:40:23 Janet: I've got lots of my trial seedlings up in Picture Trail albums
11/15/05 23:40:29 Tina_in_CO: Janet how do you water that many
11/15/05 23:40:32 Janis_in_Okla: I loved the virtual tour of Rob's Violet Barn
11/15/05 23:40:48 Tina_in_CO: oh I need to go see that
11/15/05 23:41:00 Janet: Tina. I bottom water...flood the trays on a shelf and then empty the excess into a bucket
11/15/05 23:41:01 Candy_from_IN: Janet, do you have all your plants in a greenhouse?
11/15/05 23:41:15 Tina_in_CO: oh ok
11/15/05 23:41:41 Janet: No greenhouse...a violet room, sun room and basement as well as a shelf here in my office
11/15/05 23:42:07 Tina_in_CO: what fertilizer or fertilizers do you use janet and how much per gallon
11/15/05 23:42:09 Tony__IL: must have one huge house. LOL
11/15/05 23:42:34 Janet: Tony...it gets smaller with each new bunch of seedlings
11/15/05 23:42:48 Janet: Tina I use Optimara @ 1/8 tsp per gallon every week
11/15/05 23:42:49 Tony__IL: can believe that!
11/15/05 23:42:52 Janis_in_Okla: I brought my outside plants in tonight.....impatient hanging basket, begonia basket and lipstick vine in a basket
11/15/05 23:43:06 Tina_in_CO: do you only water once a week?
11/15/05 23:43:36 Janet: Usually Tina...more often in winter when the air is dry in the upstairs room
11/15/05 23:43:42 Tony__IL: Janis, keep the in another room just in case they have something you don't want onm the AV's
11/15/05 23:43:53 Janis_in_Okla: good idea
11/15/05 23:44:02 Tina_in_CO: oh long do you keep your lights on?
11/15/05 23:44:12 Candy_from_IN: going to sign off now
11/15/05 23:44:13 Janis_in_Okla: I don't have them anywhere close to the Av's at this point
11/15/05 23:44:19 Janis_in_Okla: but I do worry about that
11/15/05 23:44:21 Tony__IL: nite Candy
11/15/05 23:44:25 Candy_from_IN: nite everyone
11/15/05 23:44:32 Candy_from_IN Logs Out
11/15/05 23:44:43 Janet: Lights are on about 8 hours a day in winter when the sun comes in the rooms, 10 hours in summer when the house is shaded
11/15/05 23:45:07 Janet: Bye Candy
11/15/05 23:45:34 Tina_in_CO: ok great
11/15/05 23:46:01 Tina_in_CO: what soil mix do you use
11/15/05 23:46:37 Janet: I used Park's Grow Mix for everything.  Now they've changed it to Park's Container Potting Mix
11/15/05 23:46:55 Janet: It seems to be the same stuff...smaller bag, bigger price
11/15/05 23:47:07 Janis_in_Okla: Hmm  I guess I better change my timer on my lights....I am doing 12 hours of lighting
11/15/05 23:47:24 Janet: Janis if it works don't change it
11/15/05 23:47:31 Janis_in_Okla: 7 in the morning till 7 in the evening
11/15/05 23:47:51 Janis_in_Okla: so far so good but I just started this a couple of weeks ago
11/15/05 23:47:53 Janet: I have lots of window so get lots of supplementary light
11/15/05 23:48:06 Janet: windows
11/15/05 23:48:48 Janis_in_Okla: I have a huge window plus a sliding glass door that lets in a lot of light in my room where my plants are
11/15/05 23:49:07 Janet: Just watch for bunched up centers
11/15/05 23:49:19 Janis_in_Okla: I have violets in other rooms too now.  LOL
11/15/05 23:49:37 Janis_in_Okla: oh ok...I wondered if that was what I might get
11/15/05 23:49:46 Tina_in_CO: I think too much light has been my problem so I am cutting back.
11/15/05 23:50:19 Tina_in_CO: Going to cut back to 8 hours a day and see what happens cut back to 10 but think I need to cut back to 8 for a while and see if they like that better
11/15/05 23:51:52 Janet: Well ladies, I hear my pillow calling me.  I have to get up early tomorrow so I'd better get to bed.
11/15/05 23:51:54 Janis_in_Okla: Tina and Tony.....What size pots should I put my rooted leaves in?  Right now they are in water
11/15/05 23:52:10 Janis_in_Okla: nite Janet and thank you :)
11/15/05 23:52:34 Tony__IL: Thanks again from a Rooster. LOL
11/15/05 23:52:36 Janet: It was great spending the evening with all of you.  Thanks for coming everyone!
11/15/05 23:52:59 Janis_in_Okla: some of these leaves are big and I don't think my small Solo cups will work
11/15/05 23:53:09 Tina_in_CO: Thank you Janet is has been wonderful. Hope you will come back and chat soon.  Thank you.
11/15/05 23:53:31 Kiko: Thanks so much,Janet.
11/15/05 23:53:34 Janet: G'nite all!
11/15/05 23:53:35 Tina_in_CO: Janis I don't start leaves in water.
11/15/05 23:53:39 Janet Logs Out
11/15/05 23:53:57 Janis_in_Okla: I understand.....but what size do you plant them in?
11/15/05 23:54:00 Tony__IL: Janis, I use the 3 oz Solo cups and fill about 1/2 with the mix and lean the leaf on the side of the pots. About 1/2" deep
11/15/05 23:54:22 Janis_in_Okla: oh ok Tony....thats what I wondered
11/15/05 23:54:38 Tony__IL: side of the cup will support the leaf
11/15/05 23:54:41 Tina_in_CO: the 2 or 3 ounce condiment cups about 1/2 full of soil
11/15/05 23:54:48 Janis_in_Okla: I was afraid to lean the leaf
11/15/05 23:55:05 Tina_in_CO: it is ok to lean the leaf on the pot or cup janis
11/15/05 23:55:15 Janis_in_Okla: OK
11/15/05 23:55:39 Tony__IL: the plastic will not damage the leaf as would a clay pot
11/15/05 23:55:40 Janis_in_Okla: I was thinking BIG leaf should have bigger container
11/15/05 23:55:59 Janis_in_Okla: OK I got it Tony
11/15/05 23:56:17 Tony__IL: I have some HUGE ones Jana sent to me and they did OK
11/15/05 23:56:29 Janis_in_Okla: oh good
11/15/05 23:57:12 Janis_in_Okla: I could see these simi-minatures in a 2 oz solo cup but not the large size leaves that will create a large plant
11/15/05 23:58:13 Janis_in_Okla: this is so fun.....learning is half the fun too
11/15/05 23:58:31 Tony__IL: Don't plant them too deep as the babies will have to push thru more soil to get out
11/15/05 23:58:59 Janis_in_Okla: thats what I thought too on some of these leaves with really long stems
11/15/05 23:59:29 Tony__IL: If the leaf looks OK, you can use it again
11/16/05 00:00:13 Tony__IL: momma leaf, that is
11/16/05 00:00:14 Janis_in_Okla: when I saw the Designer Star leaf I was shocked.  LOL
11/16/05 00:00:36 Janis_in_Okla: those are huge leaves
11/16/05 00:01:06 Janis_in_Okla: If I can I will try using them again
11/16/05 00:01:10 Tony__IL: didn't think they were that big 'til I tried to get them in the baggie for sdnacks
11/16/05 00:01:17 Tony__IL: snacks*
11/16/05 00:01:24 Janis_in_Okla: yep  LOL
11/16/05 00:02:05 Janis_in_Okla: they are beautiful and everyone one of them looks as good as the day I got them
11/16/05 00:02:20 Tony__IL: Jana's Buckeye leaves were even larger that those
11/16/05 00:02:36 Tony__IL: super
11/16/05 00:03:08 Janis_in_Okla: I can and have rooted leaves in violet mix but I feel better and more confident rooting them in water right now.
11/16/05 00:03:15 Janis_in_Okla: Wow your kidding.
11/16/05 00:03:17 Tony__IL: sent out my last box of the season to FL today
11/16/05 00:03:47 Tony__IL: all out of bubb;e wrap and insulation LOL
11/16/05 00:03:59 Tony__IL: bubble-
11/16/05 00:04:48 Tony__IL: can't believe I went thru a 40' roll
11/16/05 00:05:12 Janis_in_Okla: wow that is a lot
11/16/05 00:05:50 Tony__IL: Jana sent out a bunch this week also
11/16/05 00:06:00 Tina_in_CO: LOL
11/16/05 00:06:10 Janis_in_Okla: :)
11/16/05 00:06:31 Tony__IL: will have to start leaf pots for the spring
11/16/05 00:07:33 Tony__IL: at least got rid of all the triplicates I has and got my dining room table back LOL
11/16/05 00:07:51 Tina_in_CO: LOL
11/16/05 00:08:11 Tina_in_CO: ok folks it was a great chat but need to go.  Have a great night
11/16/05 00:08:24 Tony__IL: night Tin a
11/16/05 00:08:53 Tony__IL: thanks for your input
11/16/05 00:09:26 Tina_in_CO: G'Nite and your Welcome
11/16/05 00:09:35 Tina_in_CO Logs Out
11/16/05 00:10:14 Tony__IL: dang J, you packed them in here tonight
11/16/05 00:10:18 Janis_in_Okla: I think I should go and do some reading..  I would like some violet books for christmas
11/16/05 00:10:28 Janis_in_Okla: anyone have any good suggestions
11/16/05 00:10:51 Tony__IL: got a couple. I'll mail you tomorrow about them
11/16/05 00:11:05 Janis_in_Okla: probably joining the AVSA for starters right?
11/16/05 00:11:16 Janis_in_Okla: ok thanks Tony
11/16/05 00:11:42 Tony__IL: great magazine they have
11/16/05 00:12:19 Tony__IL: lots cheaper than the hubby's Sports Illustrated
11/16/05 00:12:21 Tony__IL: LOL
11/16/05 00:12:40 Janis_in_Okla: LOL
11/16/05 00:14:40 Tony__IL: You other gals are pretty quiet. Didn't have a head crash (that;s when you fall asleep and your forehead crashes into the monitor).
11/16/05 00:14:51 Janis_in_Okla: well going to go.  sleep well everyone
11/16/05 00:14:56 Janis_in_Okla: LOL  Tony
11/16/05 00:15:02 Janis_in_Okla: nite nite
11/16/05 00:15:06 Janis_in_Okla Logs Out
11/16/05 00:15:30 Tony__IL: Kiko, what time is it in Japan?
11/16/05 00:15:44 Kiko: Hi
11/16/05 00:15:55 Tony__IL: and Queenie, where are you at?
11/16/05 00:16:08 Kiko: It's 2 in the afternoon.
11/16/05 00:16:24 Kiko: What time, Tony?
11/16/05 00:16:39 Queenie: Sitting here, just overwhelmed with information!  Why can't we root leaves in water?
11/16/05 00:16:51 Tony__IL: not a bad hour then, Kik o. It is 11 PM here
11/16/05 00:17:12 Queenie: Opps, did you mean where am I physically?  I am in California.
11/16/05 00:17:14 Kiko: Oh,it's ok.
11/16/05 00:17:55 Tony__IL: you can try it either way and see what works for you. Haven't figured out why leaves grow in whater bu rot in soil that it too wet
11/16/05 00:18:13 Tony__IL: got a couple uncles in San Diego area
11/16/05 00:18:14 Kiko: Queenie,I root the leaves in the water.
11/16/05 00:18:27 Queenie: Mine always rot in soil, but I can root them in water.
11/16/05 00:18:53 Tony__IL: if it works for you don't change it
11/16/05 00:19:04 Queenie: I am in the Sierra Nevadas - between Placerville and Lake Tahoe.
11/16/05 00:19:35 Tony__IL: Millie and several others are in CA
11/16/05 00:20:30 Queenie: We're waiting for snow, so the ski resorts can open.
11/16/05 00:20:54 Tony__IL: take all of mine you can get. LOL
11/16/05 00:22:57 Tony__IL: Kiko, ifd you ship to the US, what are the restrictions on plants/leaves?
11/16/05 00:23:38 Tony__IL: got a couple boxes from Sweden and not even a return address on them
11/16/05 00:24:34 Kiko: Sorry,I took my dog outside in the garden.
11/16/05 00:25:33 Kiko: I've shipped to the US several times, but
11/16/05 00:26:00 Kiko: I wrote on 'Baby present' :p
11/16/05 00:26:20 Tony__IL: shipped leaves or plants
11/16/05 00:26:43 Kiko: Yes. lol
11/16/05 00:27:45 Queenie: Goodnight all, thanks for all the information. It has been a pleasure.
11/16/05 00:27:54 Tony__IL: if I send to Sweden or Denmark I have to fill out a form and attach it to the package. They don't have to do any of that
11/16/05 00:28:06 Tony__IL: have a good one
11/16/05 00:28:28 Queenie Logs Out
11/16/05 00:29:31 Tony__IL: the one to Denmark even wanted phone numbers on the package
11/16/05 00:30:02 Kiko: I must have to be checked legaly,
11/16/05 00:30:19 Kiko: it takes a lot of time.
11/16/05 00:30:21 Tony__IL: will be nice to get leaves from Denmark as they are not available in the U>S.
11/16/05 00:30:41 Kiko: It's nice form Denmark.
11/16/05 00:30:45 Tony__IL: U.S.
11/16/05 00:31:43 Tony__IL: two of them have Boy, Girl for names. Not too creative on the hybridizer's part LOL
11/16/05 00:32:36 Kiko: Nice. How its blossoms?
11/16/05 00:36:25 Tony__IL: http://www.rosborg-as.dk/?Kulturer:Saintpaulia%26nbsp%3B6_cm_African_Violet  http://www.rosborg-as.dk/?Kulturer:Saintpaulia%26nbsp%3B6_cm_African_Violet http://www.rosborg-as.dk and click the photos
11/16/05 00:37:57 Kiko: Tony, thanks.
11/16/05 00:38:06 Tony__IL: on the right side they have another screen with the Boys and Girls
11/16/05 00:39:56 Tony__IL: the ones that are AJohns from Sweden should be scarce. Heard his greenhouse was hit by a bug or something and wipes his plants out
11/16/05 00:40:17 Tony__IL: *wiped
11/16/05 00:40:47 Kiko: Beautiful!!!
11/16/05 00:41:05 Kiko: Can I order them to Japan?
11/16/05 00:41:13 Tony__IL: Jana, Millie and Tea, still here?
11/16/05 00:41:31 Jana_in_Indiana: sorry, got a phone call
11/16/05 00:41:40 Jana_in_Indiana: what did I miss?
11/16/05 00:42:02 Tony__IL: I have 5 of the varieties but don't see them too much on eBay and not sure who has them
11/16/05 00:43:04 Tony__IL: me and Kiko just talking. Can't believe we're still here at 11:42
11/16/05 00:43:30 Kiko: What time, Jana?
11/16/05 00:43:49 Tony__IL: will shampoo the living room carpet in the morning. Lots of fun tomorrow. LOL
11/16/05 00:43:53 Jana_in_Indiana: don't remember, LOL
11/16/05 00:44:08 Kiko: lol
11/16/05 00:44:20 Jana_in_Indiana: I gave a friend a pair of angelfish & they're spawning now
11/16/05 00:44:29 Jana_in_Indiana: had to talk them through what to do next
11/16/05 00:44:33 Tony__IL: Jana is in the same time zone as I am
11/16/05 00:44:55 Tony__IL: :OL
11/16/05 00:45:00 Kiko: Angel fishes babie?
11/16/05 00:45:01 Tony__IL: LOL
11/16/05 00:45:01 Jana_in_Indiana: not now Tony, it's 12:43 here
11/16/05 00:45:08 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, they laid eggs
11/16/05 00:45:23 Kiko: I had them before.
11/16/05 00:46:32 Jana_in_Indiana: they're thrilled, never before had eggs -- mine lay eggs every 2 weeks, about 500 of them!
11/16/05 00:46:44 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm up to my ears in angelfish babies!  LOL!
11/16/05 00:47:05 Kiko: lol WOW
11/16/05 00:47:22 Tony__IL: probably would need heat packs to ship them.
11/16/05 00:47:23 Jana_in_Indiana: I've been giving them away!  just like AV's!  LOL
11/16/05 00:47:41 Jana_in_Indiana: yes definitely, they live at 80 degrees
11/16/05 00:47:55 Jana_in_Indiana: was going to shiip Rachel some, but it got too cold too quick
11/16/05 00:48:15 Kiko: Oh sorry.
11/16/05 00:48:40 Jana_in_Indiana: don't want her to get a box of dead angel babies
11/16/05 00:49:29 Jana_in_Indiana: what did I miss in the chat?  Anything important?
11/16/05 00:49:53 Tony__IL: someone mentioned hunting shop where they would have heat packs, because the hunters would use them in the cold weather
11/16/05 00:50:15 Kiko: AVs in Denmark.
11/16/05 00:50:51 Tony__IL: nothing ssince Janet left. 10 points for your team for getting her here tonight
11/16/05 00:51:16 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks!!!  LOL
11/16/05 00:51:25 Tony__IL: WAY TO GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11/16/05 00:51:35 Jana_in_Indiana: now to get Becky to stay home long enough to get Pat Hancock on here!
11/16/05 00:51:56 Tony__IL: that would work !!
11/16/05 00:52:50 Jana_in_Indiana: it should work, Becky on the phone w/ Pat, reading the messages & typing her answers
11/16/05 00:53:08 Tony__IL: good plan
11/16/05 00:53:30 Jana_in_Indiana: plus, I have flat rate long distance! ;)
11/16/05 00:53:41 Jana_in_Indiana: will do a three way & put them on hold
11/16/05 00:53:55 Tony__IL: yes, remember you saying she does not have a computer
11/16/05 00:53:55 Jana_in_Indiana: Kiko, how are you doing?
11/16/05 00:54:43 Kiko: Jana, I'm happy to join the chat today.
11/16/05 00:55:14 Tony__IL: glad to have you Kik o
11/16/05 00:55:22 Kiko: I cannot put the message, but enjoyed.
11/16/05 00:55:33 Kiko: Thanks Tony.
11/16/05 00:55:40 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm so happy you made it!  You should come to chat more often!
11/16/05 00:55:50 Tony__IL: yes
11/16/05 00:55:56 Kiko: Yes, I'll do.
11/16/05 00:56:34 Kiko: Matting, you told me, is nice for my AVs.
11/16/05 00:56:38 Tony__IL: chats are Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thurday all the same time
11/16/05 00:56:40 Jana_in_Indiana: are you a member of VVV?
11/16/05 00:56:53 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, I love matting!
11/16/05 00:57:18 Kiko: This time is good for me. lol
11/16/05 00:57:24 Jana_in_Indiana: great!
11/16/05 00:57:32 Tony__IL: perfect
11/16/05 00:57:47 Jana_in_Indiana: then you can come back tomorrow too?
11/16/05 00:57:47 Kiko: I want to join the VVV.
11/16/05 00:58:09 Jana_in_Indiana: here's the link:
11/16/05 00:58:10 Jana_in_Indiana: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VariegatedVioletVillage
11/16/05 00:58:32 Tony__IL: variegatedvioletvillage@yahoogroups.com
11/16/05 00:58:43 Kiko: OK.  :)
11/16/05 00:58:49 Jana_in_Indiana: Tony, that's the e-mail address
11/16/05 00:59:09 Jana_in_Indiana: Kiko, the first link will take you to the web site
11/16/05 00:59:21 Kiko: Tony, are you a member?
11/16/05 00:59:28 Jana_in_Indiana: he's a moderator!!!
11/16/05 00:59:30 Tony__IL: sorry about that
11/16/05 00:59:46 Jana_in_Indiana: so am I, LOL
11/16/05 01:00:05 Jana_in_Indiana: Millie is the owner, Tony & I are moderators -- fun group!
11/16/05 01:00:17 Kiko: Oh,  :(
11/16/05 01:00:21 Tony__IL: hey, I even sent a welcome new member today. LOL
11/16/05 01:00:27 Kiko: I'm sure to be a member!!!
11/16/05 01:00:45 Kiko: lol  :?
11/16/05 01:00:46 Jana_in_Indiana: I saw there was a newbie, haven't had time to even check who!
11/16/05 01:00:56 Kiko: WHO???
11/16/05 01:00:57 Jana_in_Indiana: wonderful!!!  Love to have you!
11/16/05 01:01:03 Tony__IL: took care of that
11/16/05 01:01:09 Jana_in_Indiana: who is it tony?
11/16/05 01:01:25 Tony__IL: don't remember
11/16/05 01:01:27 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
11/16/05 01:01:39 Kiko: lol
11/16/05 01:01:57 Tony__IL: didn't take notes, was I supposed to?
11/16/05 01:02:13 Jana_in_Indiana: Loisk63
11/16/05 01:02:19 Tony__IL: BRB
11/16/05 01:02:23 Jana_in_Indiana: I don't know who that is, LOL
11/16/05 01:02:39 Jana_in_Indiana: maybe someone named Lois?
11/16/05 01:03:02 Jana_in_Indiana: Kiko, did any of the leaves I gave you at convention make babies for you?
11/16/05 01:03:22 Kiko: Yes, of course.
11/16/05 01:03:27 Jana_in_Indiana: great!
11/16/05 01:03:35 Kiko: They have lots babies.
11/16/05 01:03:38 Jana_in_Indiana: you remember my daughter Anngela?
11/16/05 01:03:44 Jana_in_Indiana: that's wonderful
11/16/05 01:03:52 Kiko: yes, How is she?
11/16/05 01:03:59 Jana_in_Indiana: :(
11/16/05 01:04:16 Kiko: :( ?
11/16/05 01:04:19 Jana_in_Indiana: the army sent her to the Middle east, she leaves the US in 3 weeks!
11/16/05 01:04:52 Jana_in_Indiana: will be gone 18 months!  :((
11/16/05 01:05:01 Kiko: Why? :(
11/16/05 01:05:25 Jana_in_Indiana: she joined the Army Reserve before college, to get more money to pay for college
11/16/05 01:05:43 Jana_in_Indiana: was supposed to only have to serve 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a year
11/16/05 01:06:05 Jana_in_Indiana: but they phoned her & said she had to go to Kuwait Or Iraq!
11/16/05 01:06:22 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm a VERY upset mommy!
11/16/05 01:06:30 Kiko: Why she should go there?
11/16/05 01:07:03 Jana_in_Indiana: she doesn't have a choice, the Army is forcing her to go, to help with the Iraq war
11/16/05 01:07:20 Tony__IL: think that sucks
11/16/05 01:07:26 Kiko: :(
11/16/05 01:07:32 Jana_in_Indiana: or else she would have a dishonorable discharge
11/16/05 01:07:37 Jana_in_Indiana: ME TOO!
11/16/05 01:08:19 Jana_in_Indiana: when I get her address over there, I'll send it to you -- she would love to get a note from Japan!
11/16/05 01:08:22 Tony__IL: but won't go into that now. Think you know how I feel about it
11/16/05 01:08:43 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, & you know how I feel too!  I cry every day
11/16/05 01:08:44 Tony__IL: send it to me also, J
11/16/05 01:08:53 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, I was planning to T
11/16/05 01:09:15 Kiko: I 'll send a letter to Angella.
11/16/05 01:09:16 Tony__IL: also your son's
11/16/05 01:09:45 Jana_in_Indiana: by the time I get her address, it will be too late for me to send anything for Christmas!  Takes 3 to 5 weeks to get a package there
11/16/05 01:09:48 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, I will T
11/16/05 01:10:07 Jana_in_Indiana: thank you Kiko, she will be VERY happy to get a letter from you!
11/16/05 01:10:21 Tony__IL: I'll introduce myself to him LOL
11/16/05 01:10:29 Kiko: You're welcome.
11/16/05 01:10:34 Jana_in_Indiana: that's all it take T, Thanks!
11/16/05 01:11:07 Jana_in_Indiana: tell him YOU got me into growing named AV's, LOL
11/16/05 01:11:45 Tony__IL: tell him the story about the case of Budweiser. LOL
11/16/05 01:11:55 Jana_in_Indiana: I'll let you tell him!  ;)
11/16/05 01:12:04 Tony__IL: will do
11/16/05 01:12:06 Kiko: lol
11/16/05 01:12:18 Jana_in_Indiana: are you at work Kik o?
11/16/05 01:12:34 Kiko: No.
11/16/05 01:12:56 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, ok - just curious
11/16/05 01:12:57 Kiko: I have to be a housekeeper now.
11/16/05 01:13:14 Jana_in_Indiana: grandchildren?
11/16/05 01:13:35 Jana_in_Indiana: or for others, not family?
11/16/05 01:13:38 Tony__IL: I took Jana some plants in by Chicago. Her first named AV's  and put them in a Budweiser beer box because it was very sturdy and the only box I had.
11/16/05 01:14:07 Kiko: I havent cleaned my house  yet today.
11/16/05 01:14:12 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, Tony was the very first AV person I met!
11/16/05 01:14:37 Kiko: I was sitting here  by the computer. lol
11/16/05 01:14:40 Jana_in_Indiana: me neither Kik o, I still have dirty dishes waiting on me -- it's 1:13 here
11/16/05 01:15:00 Kiko: Thanks Jana, Tony.
11/16/05 01:15:12 Jana_in_Indiana: do come back to chat again!
11/16/05 01:15:25 Kiko: Yes, of course.
11/16/05 01:15:39 Jana_in_Indiana: looked like we had a great turnout for Janet!
11/16/05 01:16:19 Kiko: Very enjoying, and useful,
11/16/05 01:17:00 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, Janet is very smart!
11/16/05 01:17:12 Kiko: Bye .See you. :)
11/16/05 01:17:18 Jana_in_Indiana: she's almost an expert when it comes to pests, bugs & how to treat them
11/16/05 01:17:22 Jana_in_Indiana: bye!
11/16/05 01:17:31 Tony__IL: nite Kiko
11/16/05 01:17:34 Jana_in_Indiana: her husband is a scientist
11/16/05 01:17:51 Kiko: lol
11/16/05 01:17:55 Jana_in_Indiana: biologist I think
11/16/05 01:17:57 Kiko Logs Out
11/16/05 01:18:26 Jana_in_Indiana: you're up late for you
11/16/05 01:19:06 Tony__IL: think I will also call it a nite. Last Box of the season in the mail and will shampoo th living room tomorrow. Hope we don't get a lot of snow. Ain't ready for that yet
11/16/05 01:19:25 Jana_in_Indiana: lol, me neither!  G'nite Tony!
11/16/05 01:19:39 Tony__IL: see you tomorrow
11/16/05 01:19:43 Jana_in_Indiana: ttyl!
11/16/05 01:19:47 Tony__IL Logs Out
11/16/05 01:19:47 Jana_in_Indiana Logs Out