05/19/05 09:06:06 Rachel Logs in [216.26.200.192]
05/19/05 09:29:10 Rachel: *beep*  *beep*  *harp*  *slap*  *beep*  *choochoo*  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)
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05/19/05 19:48:04 Jana_in_Indiana Logs in [172.160.236.116]
05/19/05 19:49:11 jim Logs in [69.9.219.17]
05/19/05 19:49:21 jim: Hi jana
05/19/05 19:49:26 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Jim!
05/19/05 19:49:33 jim: im way early huh
05/19/05 19:49:41 jim: or everyone else is late
05/19/05 19:49:45 Jana_in_Indiana: I don't know how long I'll be able to stay, more storms heading this way!
05/19/05 19:49:54 Jana_in_Indiana: 11 minutes early
05/19/05 19:50:06 jim: so how goes things
05/19/05 19:50:32 Jana_in_Indiana: darn storms began at 7 am today!  Even had 3 1/2 inch hail!  but, gratefully no tornadoes YET!
05/19/05 19:51:14 jim: thats not good
05/19/05 19:51:28 jim: any out side stuff get crushed
05/19/05 19:51:33 Jana_in_Indiana: it's just normal spring weather for Indiana, LOL!
05/19/05 19:51:44 jim: where do you live at in indiana
05/19/05 19:52:06 Jana_in_Indiana: lots of broken windows, dented cars, etc!  LOL!  And power outages, not here obviously!
05/19/05 19:52:21 Jana_in_Indiana: I live in Lawrence, NE side of Indy
05/19/05 19:52:30 jim: cinn side
05/19/05 19:52:46 Jana_in_Indiana: huh?
05/19/05 19:52:52 Peggy_in_Pa Logs in [207.172.119.154]
05/19/05 19:52:56 Jana_in_Indiana: Cincinnati is SW of here
05/19/05 19:52:59 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Peggy!
05/19/05 19:53:00 jim: ok
05/19/05 19:53:04 jim: hi peggy
05/19/05 19:53:19 jim: ive got a freind in south bend
05/19/05 19:53:37 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, that's not too far!
05/19/05 19:53:42 Jana_in_Indiana: Hey Peggy!
05/19/05 19:53:52 Jana_in_Indiana: you never did post your winnings!
05/19/05 19:53:55 Peggy_in_Pa: Hi Jana and Jim
05/19/05 19:54:02 Jana_in_Indiana: Jim, Peggy got best in show!
05/19/05 19:54:44 jim: cool
05/19/05 19:54:54 Peggy_in_Pa: I've been soo busy getting my plants back place I didn't back to you Jana
05/19/05 19:55:56 Jana_in_Indiana: I do understand!  I'm still not back up to speed around here after AVSA conv. & The ohio State Cavy conv!
05/19/05 19:56:55 jim: how did you do
05/19/05 19:56:57 jim: there
05/19/05 19:57:07 Jana_in_Indiana: I hope to finish uploading the AVSA conv. photos to my album this week
05/19/05 19:57:35 Peggy_in_Pa: Also i was asked to help "judge" and small club first "play show". It was a learning experince for the club and a good time for me.
05/19/05 19:58:49 sherry__(Mo) Logs in [172.156.120.84]
05/19/05 19:58:52 Tony_IL Logs in [207.43.75.34]
05/19/05 19:59:01 Tony_IL: Hi gang
05/19/05 19:59:08 jim: hi sheryy and tony
05/19/05 19:59:11 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Sherry & Tony!
05/19/05 19:59:13 jim: sherry
05/19/05 19:59:13 sherry__(Mo): Hi Jana, Jim, Peggy, and Tony!!
05/19/05 19:59:16 Carol_SK Logs in [142.165.188.200]
05/19/05 19:59:21 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Carol!
05/19/05 19:59:23 Tony_IL: hi Carol
05/19/05 19:59:23 jim: hi carol
05/19/05 19:59:32 sherry__(Mo): Hi Carol
05/19/05 19:59:41 Carol_SK: Hi Jana
05/19/05 19:59:44 Carol_SK: Hi Tony
05/19/05 19:59:45 Jana_in_Indiana: dang Peggy, you HAVE been busy!
05/19/05 19:59:48 Carol_SK: Hi Jim
05/19/05 19:59:54 Carol_SK: Hi Sherry
05/19/05 20:00:03 Carol_SK: Hi Peggy
05/19/05 20:00:31 Peggy_in_Pa: But I also came home woth more plants
05/19/05 20:00:32 jim Logs Out
05/19/05 20:00:52 Jana_in_Indiana: of course!  Isn't that required?????????  ;)
05/19/05 20:01:02 Tony_IL: where did you go?
05/19/05 20:01:39 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm pretty sure it the LAW!  You must bring home more plants when going to an AV show!
05/19/05 20:01:49 jim Logs in [69.9.219.17]
05/19/05 20:01:55 Jana_in_Indiana: welcome back Jim!
05/19/05 20:01:58 Tony_IL: hi again Jim
05/19/05 20:02:01 jim: lol
05/19/05 20:02:10 jim: clicked a button
05/19/05 20:02:33 jim: well folks id love to stay but i got up at 330 today
05/19/05 20:02:42 jim: and im dogged tired
05/19/05 20:02:55 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Jim, maybe next time you can stay longer!
05/19/05 20:03:07 jim: hope so
05/19/05 20:03:09 Tony_IL: Jana, the top edge of one of the leaves is turning tan color. Shoul I just cut it off?
05/19/05 20:03:13 jim Logs Out
05/19/05 20:03:39 Jana_in_Indiana: yes Tony, I cut off anything that doesn't look healthy, it only spreads
05/19/05 20:03:41 Peggy_in_Pa: Jana your leaves arrive in beautiful condition but ddn.t get to pot them right away
05/19/05 20:04:11 Jana_in_Indiana: as long as you put them into water, they should keep a little while I'd think
05/19/05 20:04:20 Tony_IL: do you coat the cut edge with HiFresh or cinnamon?
05/19/05 20:04:33 Peggy_in_Pa: Jana the leaves look great Hope the wil make
05/19/05 20:04:45 Jana_in_Indiana: I used Hi Fresh this time tony, also can spray with Physan 20
05/19/05 20:04:54 Jana_in_Indiana: me too Peggy!
05/19/05 20:05:23 sherry__(Mo): Mine looked great too Jana!
05/19/05 20:05:48 Jana_in_Indiana: it's cinnamon oil that contains the anti fungal properties, & most grocery store cinnamon contains very little, if any of the oil
05/19/05 20:05:52 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks Sherry
05/19/05 20:08:16 sherry__(Mo): LOL-don't everyone talk at once!!
05/19/05 20:08:40 sherry__(Mo): Or is everyone watching CSI?
05/19/05 20:08:46 Peggy_in_Pa: Jana I was trying to send you an e-mail about my show winings but I couldnt't get it thru. I willhave to try it another way
05/19/05 20:09:00 Jana_in_Indiana: well, I was checking the radar, the storm are now 1 county away, I won't be here much longer!
05/19/05 20:09:18 Tony_IL: Actually got one of the stands completely repotted. Will have to find another source for coarse perlit. The stuff I have falls thru the holes of the 3-4" pots
05/19/05 20:09:24 Jana_in_Indiana: did you use CrazyCavy@aol.com?
05/19/05 20:09:41 Jana_in_Indiana: oh no Tony!
05/19/05 20:09:54 sherry__(Mo): Wow-you did good then Tony!!
05/19/05 20:10:07 Jana_in_Indiana: you can put a piece of paper towel in the bottom of the pot to keep it in
05/19/05 20:10:07 Tony_IL: well just wait until it comes in and do the smaller plants
05/19/05 20:10:44 Tony_IL: Still have stands 2-4 to go so have plenty to keep busy
05/19/05 20:10:49 Jana_in_Indiana: that must have been lots of work Tony!  How many stands to go?  3 or 4 more?
05/19/05 20:10:52 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
05/19/05 20:11:02 Peggy_in_Pa: ys Jana but the e-mail must have been to long
05/19/05 20:11:26 Tony_IL: 2-3-&4 Jana. One left in the dining room and the 2 in the computer room
05/19/05 20:11:33 Jana_in_Indiana: I doubt that Peggy, I get huge files that come through
05/19/05 20:11:56 Jana_in_Indiana: I couldn't remember exactly how many there were Tony, LOL
05/19/05 20:12:14 Tony_IL: too many, Jana
05/19/05 20:12:26 Jana_in_Indiana: Peggy, I've been sent files that take over an hour to doownload!
05/19/05 20:12:45 Peggy_in_Pa: jana I'll try again
05/19/05 20:12:56 Jana_in_Indiana: give them a month to get settled into their pots Tony & then you can sell them on ebay!
05/19/05 20:13:02 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks Peggy!
05/19/05 20:13:06 Tony_IL: or have the sender send the file in smaller sections
05/19/05 20:13:16 sherry__(Mo): I don't see how these people that have 8 or 10 stands so it Tony
05/19/05 20:13:24 Tony_IL: me neither
05/19/05 20:13:37 Clare_KS Logs in [65.26.89.232]
05/19/05 20:13:43 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Clare!
05/19/05 20:13:55 Tony_IL: if they have any tips, I sure wish they'd share them
05/19/05 20:13:58 Jana_in_Indiana: Pat Hancock has 24 stands!!!!
05/19/05 20:14:10 Tony_IL: hi Clare
05/19/05 20:14:18 Jana_in_Indiana: all are very full too!  I don't know how she does them all!
05/19/05 20:14:19 Tony_IL: Does she have any help?
05/19/05 20:14:29 Jana_in_Indiana: no
05/19/05 20:14:46 Clare_KS: what are we getting tips on?
05/19/05 20:15:03 Jana_in_Indiana: anything, if you have a tip, please share?
05/19/05 20:15:03 Tony_IL: the next time you visit her, see if you can get a couple secrets
05/19/05 20:15:39 Tony_IL: tips on caring for a lot of plants and keeping up
05/19/05 20:15:51 Clare_KS: Quit your day job.
05/19/05 20:16:05 Tony_IL: I did that already. LOL
05/19/05 20:16:07 Jana_in_Indiana: I need to take a tape recorder!  I never remember everything she tells me!
05/19/05 20:16:19 Jana_in_Indiana: and I'm going to see her Saturday!
05/19/05 20:16:43 Tony_IL: good timing then
05/19/05 20:16:50 Jana_in_Indiana: lol
05/19/05 20:17:25 Jana_in_Indiana: I know she puts some kind of pump (sump pump?) in a barrel & uses it to water
05/19/05 20:18:17 Jana_in_Indiana: & has a hose hooked up to it
05/19/05 20:18:17 Tony_IL: watering is easy, it's the repotting and grooming that take time.
05/19/05 20:18:46 Jana_in_Indiana: you got that right!  Repotting takes me forever!  It's never done
05/19/05 20:19:31 Tony_IL: and the stuff you have to get ready: labels, wicks, clean the old pots, etc.
05/19/05 20:20:26 Jana_in_Indiana: I clean the old dirty pots when I empty them, rinse them outside & throw in dishwasher
05/19/05 20:20:56 Tony_IL: I have the 2-legged kind of dishwasher, me. LOL
05/19/05 20:21:15 Jana_in_Indiana: eggcrates fit in the dishwasher too, come out squeaky clean!
05/19/05 20:21:17 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
05/19/05 20:22:10 Becca,IN Logs in [71.98.85.213]
05/19/05 20:22:16 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi becca!
05/19/05 20:22:22 Tony_IL: anyone else want to jump in and change the subject, feel free to do so
05/19/05 20:22:25 Becca,IN: hi
05/19/05 20:22:31 Tony_IL: hi Becca
05/19/05 20:22:37 Becca,IN: hi
05/19/05 20:23:09 Jana_in_Indiana: I think we're all too tired!
05/19/05 20:23:26 Tony_IL: Becca, you going to the show in Lisle, IL this week-end?
05/19/05 20:24:08 Becca,IN: no I have a show at the fairgrounds this weekend (horse)
05/19/05 20:24:34 Becca,IN: i wish i could though
05/19/05 20:25:27 Jana_in_Indiana: I thought about going to that show too, went last year & met Tony for the 1st time, but I don't have room for more AV now
05/19/05 20:25:30 Tony_IL: horses probably better, you won't buy any new horses
05/19/05 20:25:43 Becca,IN: i don't know :)
05/19/05 20:26:05 Jana_in_Indiana: so...I'm going to Pat Hancock's instead!  Yah, right, like I won't bring plants home from there????????????
05/19/05 20:26:34 Tony_IL: I can't believe the size of those leaves
05/19/05 20:26:41 Becca,IN: probibly not i have three already
05/19/05 20:27:48 Jana_in_Indiana: Tony, those we NOT the largest!  The outer row was removed at the show, and I also swapped leaves with people there!
05/19/05 20:28:03 Tony_IL: how come everyone else is so quiet??
05/19/05 20:28:23 Becca,IN: i was thinking this thing was slow or somthing
05/19/05 20:28:57 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm dividing my time between this chat & the weather radar, LOL
05/19/05 20:29:09 Jana_in_Indiana: no, WE are slow!
05/19/05 20:29:15 Shellie_NM Logs in [68.35.120.27]
05/19/05 20:29:27 Becca,IN: yeah we just went through a dose of good thunderstorms yuuucccckkkk
05/19/05 20:29:31 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Shellie, I tried to answer you, but you signed off
05/19/05 20:29:34 Tony_IL: we had the storm last night and a little this afternoon. Did get another 20 gallons of rainwater
05/19/05 20:29:44 Becca,IN: lol
05/19/05 20:29:47 Shellie_NM: Hi Jana
05/19/05 20:29:48 Jana_in_Indiana: this has been going on since 7 AM!
05/19/05 20:29:53 Shellie_NM: Hi Everyone
05/19/05 20:30:06 Tony_IL: hi Shellie
05/19/05 20:30:15 Jana_in_Indiana: great Tony, rain water has a terrific price this time of year, LOL!
05/19/05 20:30:31 Becca,IN: i'm swiching between CSI and chat
05/19/05 20:30:42 Jana_in_Indiana: ;)
05/19/05 20:30:56 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm recording CSI!
05/19/05 20:31:11 Becca,IN: i hope nick don't die :(
05/19/05 20:31:11 Shellie_NM: I am watching it while on chat
05/19/05 20:31:12 Jana_in_Indiana: and ER!
05/19/05 20:31:31 Jana_in_Indiana: I don't multi task well!
05/19/05 20:33:18 Becca,IN: i just got done painting a punch of pots
05/19/05 20:33:26 Jana_in_Indiana: anyone have any questions?
05/19/05 20:33:39 Jana_in_Indiana: PLEASE???  LOL
05/19/05 20:33:55 Shellie_NM: What do you do for brad mites
05/19/05 20:34:00 Shellie_NM: broad
05/19/05 20:34:19 sherry__(Mo): Sorry-I was on the phone-Barb from this group lives in Kansas!
05/19/05 20:34:20 Jana_in_Indiana: avoid them as much as possible!!!
05/19/05 20:34:28 Shellie_NM: too late
05/19/05 20:34:34 Jana_in_Indiana: seriously, I think Avid it best for mites
05/19/05 20:34:44 Jana_in_Indiana: are you sure?
05/19/05 20:34:48 Shellie_NM: \yes
05/19/05 20:34:59 Clare_KS: Sherry, I just emailed you.
05/19/05 20:35:01 Jana_in_Indiana: microscopic exam?
05/19/05 20:35:13 sherry__(Mo): Hi Clare!!
05/19/05 20:35:26 Clare_KS: My kids just left...my son came over and cooked dinner!
05/19/05 20:35:36 Shellie_NM: No, but some of my violets have all the typical signs
05/19/05 20:35:40 Jana_in_Indiana: send him here tomorrow pleasE?
05/19/05 20:35:46 sherry__(Mo): LOL
05/19/05 20:35:53 Jana_in_Indiana: could it be too much light?
05/19/05 20:36:04 Clare_KS: I jokingly suggested that he do it once a week and he readily agreed.
05/19/05 20:36:14 sherry__(Mo): How nice!!
05/19/05 20:36:14 Jana_in_Indiana: or do you have the gray fuzz?
05/19/05 20:36:15 Clare_KS: So now he's planning next week :)
05/19/05 20:36:34 Jana_in_Indiana: Shellie, describe it in detail please?
05/19/05 20:36:53 Clare_KS: He did fantastic ribs, my husband grilled corn and daughter-in-law made a salaD, while I played with Connor :)
05/19/05 20:37:09 Shellie_NM: leaves and stems are stiff, growth is stunted, leaves are curling down
05/19/05 20:37:15 Jana_in_Indiana: uh huh!  Who's gonna do the dishes????
05/19/05 20:37:21 Clare_KS: dishwasher
05/19/05 20:37:23 sherry__(Mo): How great Clare!!
05/19/05 20:37:25 Jana_in_Indiana: lol
05/19/05 20:37:42 Jana_in_Indiana: can you take one to the ag agent?
05/19/05 20:37:43 Shellie_NM: 1/2 the flowers dry up and fall off before opening
05/19/05 20:38:03 Jana_in_Indiana: flower problem could be lack of humidity
05/19/05 20:38:18 Shellie_NM: I don't know where that is
05/19/05 20:38:23 Jana_in_Indiana: lights or natural light?
05/19/05 20:38:31 Shellie_NM: lights
05/19/05 20:38:41 Jana_in_Indiana: look in your phone book, usually near a local college
05/19/05 20:39:36 Jana_in_Indiana: county co-op or agricultural agent
05/19/05 20:39:38 Shellie_NM: some of my plants are growing real wierd and curled around
05/19/05 20:39:47 Tony_IL: Kelthane can also be used for mites
05/19/05 20:39:49 Shellie_NM: OK
05/19/05 20:40:12 Shellie_NM: I order Avid it will  be here on Monday
05/19/05 20:40:14 sherry__(Mo): You don't use Eleanors do you?
05/19/05 20:40:15 Becca,IN: well guys i can't take it any more i have to watch CSI
05/19/05 20:40:23 sherry__(Mo): Night Becca
05/19/05 20:40:27 Shellie_NM: nite Becca
05/19/05 20:40:28 Jana_in_Indiana: I thought I had mites last year, but it was the new light bulbs, less time turned on fixed everything
05/19/05 20:40:30 Becca,IN: i will be back diring commercials
05/19/05 20:40:33 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Becca!
05/19/05 20:40:37 Becca,IN: night
05/19/05 20:40:39 Becca,IN Logs Out
05/19/05 20:40:53 Clare_KS: We're watching it on Tivo without the commercials :)
05/19/05 20:41:11 sherry__(Mo): Shellie, what kind of fertilizer do you use?
05/19/05 20:41:15 Jana_in_Indiana: How long do you have the lights on?
05/19/05 20:41:35 Shellie_NM: Since the show I have been cutting back on the lights, they are on from 10am - 7pm, I use Volkmans
05/19/05 20:41:51 Jana_in_Indiana: Tony, I thought I read Kelthane was taken off the market
05/19/05 20:41:54 Clare_KS: why are you cutting the lights?
05/19/05 20:42:32 Shellie_NM: I only increased the lights for the grow for show regime
05/19/05 20:43:05 Jana_in_Indiana: no tight centers when the light was on longer?
05/19/05 20:43:33 Tony_IL: notsure, just going thru some old e-mails about bugs
05/19/05 20:43:52 Shellie_NM: yes I had tight centers on some of my plants, but I fixed that by putting a small piece of white paper over the center
05/19/05 20:43:58 Clare_KS: How long do all of you have lights on?
05/19/05 20:44:00 Jana_in_Indiana: take a tissue or paper towel, fold it to fit & place over the ones with tight centers or curled leaves, see if it makes a difference
05/19/05 20:44:03 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
05/19/05 20:44:10 sherry__(Mo): And that took care of it, Shellie?
05/19/05 20:44:16 Jana_in_Indiana: have you tried it again with this problem?
05/19/05 20:44:44 Shellie_NM: yes only a few did that after I got the new plant stand
05/19/05 20:44:55 sherry__(Mo): Are all your tubes new?
05/19/05 20:45:04 Shellie_NM: yes of course
05/19/05 20:45:24 Jana_in_Indiana: bought when, how many months ago?
05/19/05 20:45:34 sherry__(Mo): Lights could be the problem, then. New tubes produce more light.
05/19/05 20:46:11 Shellie_NM: I got the new 1" flourecents. They produce more light than the old 1 1/2" bulbs
05/19/05 20:46:38 Jana_in_Indiana: when?
05/19/05 20:46:41 Shellie_NM: I put the new stand together at Thanksgiving
05/19/05 20:46:54 sherry__(Mo): That's been awhile then
05/19/05 20:46:56 Jana_in_Indiana: new bulbs when?
05/19/05 20:47:41 Shellie_NM: and put it on the same timer as my old stand. I started getting tight centers and cut the time down
05/19/05 20:48:00 Shellie_NM: new stand new bulbs
05/19/05 20:48:01 Clare_KS: what are tight centers?
05/19/05 20:48:09 Jana_in_Indiana: http://www.steverd.com/violets/
05/19/05 20:48:24 Jana_in_Indiana: great photos on Steves site of plants with mites
05/19/05 20:48:38 Jana_in_Indiana: leaves are tight & bunched up
05/19/05 20:48:45 Shellie_NM: I saw them ande my sick plans look just like them
05/19/05 20:48:45 Jana_in_Indiana: & usually brittle
05/19/05 20:49:07 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, then maybe it is mites, sorry!
05/19/05 20:49:51 Shellie_NM: and we were just talking about isolating new plants the other day-how prophetic
05/19/05 20:50:18 Jana_in_Indiana: right, can't stress enough how important isolation is!
05/19/05 20:50:33 Jana_in_Indiana: & it doesn't mean putting them in another room!
05/19/05 20:50:55 sherry__(Mo): Jana, what could she soak leaves in and then put down leaves?
05/19/05 20:51:01 Jana_in_Indiana: gotta seal them up & treat them like Typhoid Mary for 3 months, LOL
05/19/05 20:51:07 Shellie_NM: I have disbudded everyone and turned my whole collection into palm trees.
05/19/05 20:51:28 Shellie_NM: leaving only the leaves that look unaffected
05/19/05 20:51:49 Jana_in_Indiana: nothing will kills eggs -- anything strong enough to eat through the shell of the egg would also eat through the cells of the AV & kill it
05/19/05 20:52:11 Shellie_NM: I am waiting on the Avid
05/19/05 20:52:33 Jana_in_Indiana: if it is mites, they'll already be on the leaves let, just not in numbers high enough to show symptoms yet  :(
05/19/05 20:52:58 Jana_in_Indiana: if you're convinced it's mites, I wouldn't wait, they'll only spread
05/19/05 20:53:20 Jana_in_Indiana: you've ordered Avid?
05/19/05 20:53:39 Shellie_NM: I know, but I will have a better chance of getting them with the avid
05/19/05 20:54:00 sherry__(Mo): How large is your collection Shellie?
05/19/05 20:54:13 Shellie_NM: aver 100 plants
05/19/05 20:54:35 Clare_KS: Shellie, have you been using Systemic?
05/19/05 20:54:42 Shellie_NM: no
05/19/05 20:54:46 Jana_in_Indiana: when the avid arrives, be sure to use it as instructed, every 10 days & repeat 3 times I think
05/19/05 20:55:00 Shellie_NM: I will do that
05/19/05 20:55:11 Jana_in_Indiana: dunk the entire plant to ensure coverage -- wear gloves for your protection
05/19/05 20:55:27 Shellie_NM: Thats a good idea
05/19/05 20:55:59 Jana_in_Indiana: also, do you still want that marathon?  It won't get rid of the mites you have now, but once you kill them off, will help prevent infestation in the future
05/19/05 20:56:13 Shellie_NM: Yew
05/19/05 20:56:15 Tony_IL: you dunk the soil and plant or just fooliage?
05/19/05 20:56:16 Shellie_NM: yes
05/19/05 20:56:31 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, I think it was $15 or $18, something like that
05/19/05 20:56:41 Jana_in_Indiana: soil, plant, everything
05/19/05 20:56:44 Shellie_NM: yes on the Marathon
05/19/05 20:56:55 Jana_in_Indiana: mites can fall to the soil
05/19/05 20:57:02 Jana_in_Indiana: ok it's yours!
05/19/05 20:57:08 Jana_in_Indiana: sorry, BRB!
05/19/05 20:58:44 Tony_IL: what did the Avid coast and how many ounces did you order?
05/19/05 20:59:37 Shellie_NM: $100 for an 8oz bottle
05/19/05 20:59:50 Tony_IL: holy cow !!
05/19/05 21:00:04 Shellie_NM: expensive isn't it
05/19/05 21:00:16 Clare_KS: geez. Systemic is about $8 for a whole canister.
05/19/05 21:00:29 Tony_IL: expensive is not a word I'd use. LOL
05/19/05 21:00:54 Shellie_NM: it goes a real long way
05/19/05 21:01:32 Peggy_in_Pa: Have to go now , phone call
05/19/05 21:01:34 Tony_IL: any idea where the mites came from (new olants?)
05/19/05 21:01:43 Peggy_in_Pa Logs Out
05/19/05 21:01:43 Tony_IL: nite Peggy
05/19/05 21:01:43 sherry__(Mo): Nite Peggy
05/19/05 21:02:35 Shellie_NM: All the literature I read said for these mites you need a specific miticide.  It gave the impression that regular insecticides were not effective
05/19/05 21:03:08 Tony_IL: I think you are correct. It has to be a miticide.
05/19/05 21:03:25 Shellie_NM: just my luck
05/19/05 21:03:45 Tony_IL: yepper
05/19/05 21:03:48 Carol_SK: gtg
05/19/05 21:03:50 Carol_SK: nite
05/19/05 21:03:55 Carol_SK Logs Out
05/19/05 21:04:02 Shellie_NM: and the miticides in the Lowes stated spider mites but not braod mites
05/19/05 21:04:34 sherry__(Mo): If I lost my collection, I don't think I'd have the heart to start back up
05/19/05 21:04:51 Clare_KS: Sherry, that's what happened to me 8 years ago :(
05/19/05 21:04:55 Clare_KS: Mealy bugs.
05/19/05 21:04:57 Shellie_NM: well I am going to try hard not to lose them
05/19/05 21:05:12 Clare_KS: I've just now gotten up the courage to start over.
05/19/05 21:05:57 sherry__(Mo): Oh, Clare! You go girl!
05/19/05 21:06:08 Tony_IL: looking over soil really close as I repot
05/19/05 21:06:54 Tony_IL: also use the Marathon
05/19/05 21:07:27 Jana_in_Indiana: back
05/19/05 21:07:28 Clare_KS: What is Marathon?
05/19/05 21:07:42 sherry__(Mo): BRB
05/19/05 21:07:58 Tony_IL: Marathon - systemic granules used around the roots
05/19/05 21:08:27 Shellie_NM: can you use the Marathon and the Avid at the same time
05/19/05 21:08:34 Clare_KS: oh, ok, that's what Systemic is.
05/19/05 21:08:38 Tony_IL: about 1/8-1/4 tsp per pot depending upon the size.
05/19/05 21:08:45 Jana_in_Indiana: Shellie, you're correct about using a specific miticide, borad & cyclamen mites are resistent to most pesticides
05/19/05 21:09:19 Tony_IL: Jana, how would you describe a systemic?
05/19/05 21:09:49 Jana_in_Indiana: it's a granular product, when applied to the roots is absorbed & distributed throughout the entire plant
05/19/05 21:10:01 Jana_in_Indiana: leaves & blooms
05/19/05 21:10:11 Clare_KS: Does the marathon stop them?
05/19/05 21:10:19 Tony_IL: so they eat roots, leaves, whatever, DEAD
05/19/05 21:10:37 Jana_in_Indiana: it makes it taste bad to the bugs, but it's not strong enough to kill of an already existing infestation
05/19/05 21:11:07 Jana_in_Indiana: it's used to PREVENT infestation
05/19/05 21:11:36 Jana_in_Indiana: sends the bugs looking elsewhere for their meal
05/19/05 21:12:07 sherry__(Mo): I was reading on Bonide (systemic) and it list mites-but doesn't say which kind
05/19/05 21:12:30 Jana_in_Indiana: that usually only affects spider mites sherry
05/19/05 21:12:42 sherry__(Mo): thanks Jana
05/19/05 21:12:51 Shellie_NM: Bonide was on the list of miticides for broad mites but it was not the most effective
05/19/05 21:13:28 Jana_in_Indiana: I've seen Bonide at Lowes, local garden shops
05/19/05 21:13:28 sherry__(Mo): I use it in my soil mix as a preventive-so far, so good
05/19/05 21:14:04 Tony_IL: maybe I should save up for some Avid after I get the car paid off. Just in case ? LOL
05/19/05 21:14:13 sherry__(Mo): LOLTony
05/19/05 21:14:38 Jana_in_Indiana: LOl Tony!  That's what I did, someone was selling off smaller amounts & I got some, just in case!
05/19/05 21:14:54 Shellie_NM: thank you Tony I needed to laugh
05/19/05 21:15:03 Tony_IL: only 2 payments left after 5 years
05/19/05 21:15:11 sherry__(Mo): Alright Tony!!
05/19/05 21:15:29 Jana_in_Indiana: Shellie, see if you can find the Cooperative Extension Agent for your county, take the most badly affected plant & let them decide if it's mites for certain
05/19/05 21:15:34 Tony_IL: 4 years and 10 months
05/19/05 21:15:39 Jana_in_Indiana: YEEAAA Tony!
05/19/05 21:15:48 Shellie_NM: I will try
05/19/05 21:16:29 Tony_IL: our Ext. Service has a master garderner in3-4 mornings a week
05/19/05 21:17:11 Jana_in_Indiana: & a microscope to see if mites are present!
05/19/05 21:17:14 Shellie_NM: when looking on the web for the listed miticides, I found that most places cell them by the Gallon $300-400.  I found the one place that sold an 8oz bottle
05/19/05 21:17:36 Jana_in_Indiana: is it in the south, like Georgia?
05/19/05 21:17:38 Clare_KS: Systemic is Diethyl ethyl phosphorodithioate
05/19/05 21:18:04 Jana_in_Indiana: I'll take your work for it Clare!  LOL
05/19/05 21:18:09 Jana_in_Indiana: word*
05/19/05 21:18:21 Clare_KS: What is Marathon?
05/19/05 21:18:25 Tony_IL: bet you can't say that 5 times in a row really fast
05/19/05 21:18:27 Clare_KS: I mean, what's in it?
05/19/05 21:19:20 Shellie_NM: I can't even say it once
05/19/05 21:19:52 Jana_in_Indiana: lmidacloprid is the active ingredient in Marathon
05/19/05 21:20:24 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm glad my brochure is handy, LOL
05/19/05 21:20:40 Jana_in_Indiana: but Marathon won't kill mites
05/19/05 21:20:42 Shellie_NM: I will tell you the name of the place I bought the Avid when the stuff arrives. I was at work when I did my web research
05/19/05 21:21:08 Tony_IL: thanks
05/19/05 21:21:12 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks shellie, send the link please?  I know someone will need it in the future!
05/19/05 21:21:40 Jana_in_Indiana: how much was the 8 oz bottle?
05/19/05 21:22:04 Shellie_NM: $99.95 shipping included
05/19/05 21:22:36 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, sell off some of the extra & recover some of the cost
05/19/05 21:22:39 sherry__(Mo): Whew-but cheaper than replacing a collection!
05/19/05 21:22:50 Jana_in_Indiana: right!
05/19/05 21:23:15 Shellie_NM: I know it was a garden place, obviously. they had free shipping on any order over
05/19/05 21:23:22 Shellie_NM: $15.00
05/19/05 21:23:32 Jana_in_Indiana: Shellie, remember to speay everything above, below beside & behind the stands, mites do wander away from the plant -- they're not very smart!
05/19/05 21:24:05 Jana_in_Indiana: spray*
05/19/05 21:24:50 Shellie_NM: so its dunk the plants, pots and all and spray the whole place
05/19/05 21:25:07 Jana_in_Indiana: do that spraying every 10 days too, to kill any newly hatched eggs!
05/19/05 21:25:18 Shellie_NM: right
05/19/05 21:25:33 Jana_in_Indiana: right, windows open for ventilation, might wear a mask -- you have asthma?
05/19/05 21:26:00 Shellie_NM: no asthma just allergies
05/19/05 21:26:11 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, stock up on benadryl!
05/19/05 21:26:24 Shellie_NM: you want to put me sound asleep
05/19/05 21:26:50 Jana_in_Indiana: better that than a severe alergic reaction!
05/19/05 21:26:56 Tony_IL: after treaing 100 plants, you'll need a nap
05/19/05 21:26:58 Shellie_NM: ok
05/19/05 21:27:09 Tony_IL: treating*
05/19/05 21:27:34 Jana_in_Indiana: nap?  More like a vacation!
05/19/05 21:28:00 Jana_in_Indiana: well, looks like this slow no topic chat got pretty serious!
05/19/05 21:28:11 Shellie_NM: in this case my moving home is going to work to my advantage.  everything will get treated and cleaned here and then dismantled
05/19/05 21:29:03 Tony_IL: John went out with the guys. Told him to bring back some swizzle sticks so I can prop up all the replants
05/19/05 21:29:03 Jana_in_Indiana: will the repeat treatments be done before you go home?
05/19/05 21:29:23 Jana_in_Indiana: unbent paper clips work too tony
05/19/05 21:29:25 Shellie_NM: no I will be home by the june 2
05/19/05 21:29:55 Jana_in_Indiana: don't forget to finish the treatments
05/19/05 21:29:59 Tony_IL: too tall for the clips
05/19/05 21:30:46 Shellie_NM: I use the coffee stirrer straw
05/19/05 21:30:52 Tony_IL: they were so close in the trays they held each other up
05/19/05 21:31:01 Shellie_NM: I will remember tho finish the treatments
05/19/05 21:31:21 Jana_in_Indiana: cut long slits in drink cups, down the sides about 1/3 inch apart, then cut free from the bottom, the rounded lip is great for propping up leaves or plants
05/19/05 21:31:38 Jana_in_Indiana: you'll really regret it if you don't, LOL!
05/19/05 21:32:05 Shellie_NM: I I won't forget - the AVs are my babies
05/19/05 21:32:25 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
05/19/05 21:32:25 Tony_IL: also used large styro cups and cut out the bottom so the smaller pot would be supported
05/19/05 21:32:40 Shellie_NM: just like my Sugar and Little Bit and Maggie
05/19/05 21:32:48 Jana_in_Indiana: I do like that tip Tony, I've used it!
05/19/05 21:33:45 Tony_IL: +also liked you tip on using the serrated knife to cup styro
05/19/05 21:33:55 Shellie_NM: Jana do you want me to send you a check for the Marathon
05/19/05 21:34:30 Jana_in_Indiana: sure
05/19/05 21:34:41 Shellie_NM: how much?
05/19/05 21:35:04 Tony_IL: just make it for $50 and I'll send her $50 and we can split the Avid
05/19/05 21:35:04 Jana_in_Indiana: I don't know what the postage will be
05/19/05 21:35:28 Jana_in_Indiana: Shellie ordered the Avid
05/19/05 21:35:38 Jana_in_Indiana: She's getting Marathon from me
05/19/05 21:35:51 Jana_in_Indiana: also look up Floramite
05/19/05 21:35:53 Tony_IL: OK. I'll send her a check for $50
05/19/05 21:36:07 Jana_in_Indiana: it's for use against cyclamen mites
05/19/05 21:36:53 Tony_IL: LOL
05/19/05 21:37:03 Jana_in_Indiana: Shellie, when I find my bottle of Avid from Steve Reed, I'll e-mail the use directions to you, I think he said the bottle doesn't say how much to use for AV's
05/19/05 21:37:17 Jana_in_Indiana: gotta go, storm on top of us!
05/19/05 21:37:18 Tony_IL: is the Avid any good against them?
05/19/05 21:37:20 Jana_in_Indiana: ttyl
05/19/05 21:37:23 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite!
05/19/05 21:37:27 sherry__(Mo): Nite Jana!!
05/19/05 21:37:28 Shellie_NM: note Jana
05/19/05 21:37:30 Tony_IL: nite Jana
05/19/05 21:37:31 Shellie_NM: nite
05/19/05 21:37:43 sherry__(Mo): Guess I'll go too
05/19/05 21:37:53 Shellie_NM: nite Sherry
05/19/05 21:37:55 sherry__(Mo): Take care everyone!!
05/19/05 21:37:57 Tony_IL: later Sherry
05/19/05 21:38:05 sherry__(Mo) Logs Out
05/19/05 21:38:47 Tony_IL: Shellie, if you want to sell half of the Avid, let me know.
05/19/05 21:39:09 Tony_IL: tclayt2001@yahoo.com
05/19/05 21:39:20 Shellie_NM: OK, I will let you know
05/19/05 21:40:35 Shellie_NM: I think I will keep a copy of this chat
05/19/05 21:40:41 Tony_IL: think I'll also leave. Got a MRI scan tomorrow morning. Gee, I'm getting tired of them!!
05/19/05 21:41:17 Shellie_NM: nite Tony
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05/19/05 21:42:25 Clare_KS: Night :)
05/19/05 21:42:27 Clare_KS Logs Out
05/19/05 21:43:31 Shellie_NM: Jana are you still here or did you leave
05/19/05 21:44:31 Shellie_NM Logs Out
05/19/05 21:47:17 Jana_in_Indiana Disconnects