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05/10/05 19:33:50 Jana_in_Indiana Logs in [172.165.157.64]
05/10/05 19:37:27 Clare_KS Logs in [65.26.89.232]
05/10/05 19:37:40 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm trying to find someone that will be in chat tonight to let everyone know I'll be back for chat, but now I need to run the guys over for a driving tour of the lake, be back around 8
05/10/05 19:37:48 Clare_KS: Jana...I'm glad you're here!
05/10/05 19:37:50 Jana_in_Indiana: will you be here?
05/10/05 19:37:56 Clare_KS: wait a minute
05/10/05 19:38:08 Jana_in_Indiana: I'll hurry & be back quick ( I hope!)
05/10/05 19:38:10 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
05/10/05 19:38:21 Clare_KS: I wanted to tell you...don't worry about WHEN you get the bingo picks...
05/10/05 19:38:31 Clare_KS: it's a game, we're all having fun and NObody is mad at you :)
05/10/05 19:38:40 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks!
05/10/05 19:38:45 Jana_in_Indiana: be back soon!
05/10/05 19:38:45 Clare_KS: see you later :)
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05/10/05 20:00:32 Carol_SK Logs in [142.165.188.63]
05/10/05 20:00:52 Carol_SK: Hi Jana
05/10/05 20:00:57 Carol_SK: Have you come and gone?
05/10/05 20:01:09 Dogmom Logs in [12.222.144.10]
05/10/05 20:01:22 Dogmom: Hi Carol & Jana
05/10/05 20:01:25 Carol_SK: Hi Cheryl
05/10/05 20:01:30 Dogmom: Jana - are you feeling better yet?
05/10/05 20:02:06 Carol_SK: Jana has gone to run the guys somewhere she will be back in a bit
05/10/05 20:02:13 Clare_KS Logs in [65.26.89.232]
05/10/05 20:02:18 Carol_SK: Hi Clare
05/10/05 20:02:22 Dogmom: Hi Clare
05/10/05 20:02:26 Clare_KS: Hi Carol :)
05/10/05 20:02:39 Carol_SK: How was your day ladies?
05/10/05 20:02:45 Clare_KS: Cheryl, that was so nice of you to offer to sponsor Bingo.
05/10/05 20:02:50 Clare_KS: BUSY
05/10/05 20:03:08 Dogmom: I love sponsoring, mostly because I'm so frustrated from losing when I play LOL!
05/10/05 20:03:10 Clare_KS: tues is one of my 12 hour days.
05/10/05 20:03:11 Carol_SK: I thought it was too Cheryl, you are one busy violet Ma
05/10/05 20:03:17 Clare_KS: hee hee, Cheryl!
05/10/05 20:03:25 Carol_SK: oh, that sounds brutal Clare
05/10/05 20:03:26 Clare_KS: I only have 3 so far so have given up.
05/10/05 20:03:46 Clare_KS: Carol, it is, especially when I have to get up and be there at 7 again tomorrow.
05/10/05 20:03:56 Carol_SK: I don't have a lot more, but then I have heard there are miracles... lol
05/10/05 20:04:06 Carol_SK: ouch, Clare
05/10/05 20:04:14 Dogmom: I had a prettyquiet day, but it will be busy on THurs... my leaves are coming from Bluebird, so it'll be a potting marathon
05/10/05 20:04:31 Carol_SK: how many are you getting Cheryl
05/10/05 20:04:43 Clare_KS: I put down a couple dozen last week, and they are ALL still ok!
05/10/05 20:04:44 Dogmom: Gosh, I don't remember... probably around 20-25
05/10/05 20:04:49 Clare_KS: I'm shocked!!
05/10/05 20:04:54 Dogmom: She's bundling three separate orders
05/10/05 20:05:03 Carol_SK: lol that ought to be fun
05/10/05 20:05:04 Clare_KS: why three separate?
05/10/05 20:05:26 Dogmom: Well, Clare, I was trying to be extremely moderate, because I have NO MORE SPACE!
05/10/05 20:05:46 Dogmom: so I placed one order... then two days later went back just to look, and couldn't help myself!
05/10/05 20:05:48 Clare_KS: so if you break it into three, it doesn't sound like as many???
05/10/05 20:05:51 Clare_KS: hee hee
05/10/05 20:05:58 Dogmom: Then two days after that... she posted the Russian violets!
05/10/05 20:06:01 Karen_C Logs in [207.43.75.34]
05/10/05 20:06:08 Carol_SK: Hi Karen
05/10/05 20:06:08 Dogmom: Hi Karen :-)
05/10/05 20:06:11 Clare_KS: yeah, I'm going to have to get in on those.
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05/10/05 20:06:26 Clare_KS: Our local show/sale is this weekend, so I'll wait until after that to buy more.
05/10/05 20:06:28 Tony_C Logs in [207.43.75.34]
05/10/05 20:06:33 Carol_SK: Hi Tony
05/10/05 20:06:37 Dogmom: Hi Tony, good to see you!
05/10/05 20:06:38 Clare_KS: Hi Tony
05/10/05 20:06:40 Tony_C: let's ttry it again
05/10/05 20:07:12 Tony_C: Hi all
05/10/05 20:07:23 Dogmom: Felt like summer today - 86 degrees!
05/10/05 20:07:40 Tony_C: Got your Keike Clara, just have to figure out an envelope for it
05/10/05 20:08:14 Clare_KS: Thanks, Tony!
05/10/05 20:08:32 Clare_KS: I was trying to explain that to my daughter on Sunday.
05/10/05 20:08:58 Tony_C: Jana, was the topic longnecks like plants or long neck bottles?
05/10/05 20:09:11 Clare_KS: Her husband's question was...if you only NEED a tiny bit and you use a LOT, what happens then? Do yo uget a giant AV?
05/10/05 20:09:13 Clare_KS: hee hee
05/10/05 20:09:25 Dogmom: A longneck bottle sounds pretty good right now... it's very warm
05/10/05 20:10:05 Carol_SK: Yes, Tony I believe the topic is long necks, Jana ran out to take the guys around somewhere and she will be back soon
05/10/05 20:10:11 Clare_KS: yeah....Boulevard Wheat
05/10/05 20:10:21 Clare_KS: with a slice of lime
05/10/05 20:10:36 Carol_SK: oh, LOL Tony, I think it must have been the bottles
05/10/05 20:10:46 Tony_C: I don't understand the ?? Clare
05/10/05 20:11:12 Clare_KS: that's my long neck beer, Tony
05/10/05 20:11:26 Clare_KS: oh, the Keiko....
05/10/05 20:11:35 Clare_KS: you were all saying you only use a teeny bit.
05/10/05 20:11:39 Carol_SK: sounds good, but I will wait for a warmer day before I rush for the long neck
05/10/05 20:11:43 Clare_KS: What happens if you use more?
05/10/05 20:12:21 Tony_C: I'll send a couple references on the web. Yes, only use enought cover the point of a toothpick
05/10/05 20:12:25 Pat1214_SC Logs in [65.0.193.222]
05/10/05 20:12:33 Tony_C: ji Pat
05/10/05 20:12:34 Carol_SK: Hi Pat
05/10/05 20:12:42 Shellie_NM Logs in [68.35.120.27]
05/10/05 20:12:48 Carol_SK: Hi Shellie
05/10/05 20:12:52 Dogmom: One of my first violets has a long neck that is also quite crooked/twisted.  I'm going to have to completely decapitate it to get it to grow right :-(
05/10/05 20:12:55 Dogmom: Hi ladies!
05/10/05 20:12:56 Pat1214_SC: Hi everyone
05/10/05 20:13:36 Carol_SK: Cheryl my friend brought one that had been neglected for 8 years, and it had a long, twisted crooked neck too
05/10/05 20:13:41 Shellie_NM: hi everyone
05/10/05 20:13:48 Clare_KS: How do they get long necks?
05/10/05 20:14:06 Dogmom: You can bet, Carol, that I'll start some leaves before I do the surgery LOL!
05/10/05 20:14:11 Tony_C: Hi Shellie
05/10/05 20:14:20 Carol_SK: good plan Cheryl
05/10/05 20:15:08 Tony_C: Take a few dead leaves off the bottom and pretty soon - longneck
05/10/05 20:15:27 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm back, sorry!
05/10/05 20:15:39 Carol_SK: especially if you don't repot and take some of the extra off the bottom
05/10/05 20:15:42 Jana_in_Indiana: had to run the men over for a driving tour of the lake
05/10/05 20:15:52 Dogmom: Repotting of any sort, much less "de-necking" is definitely my least favorite chore.
05/10/05 20:15:53 Carol_SK: welcome Jana
05/10/05 20:16:00 Dogmom: Hi Jana - feeling better?
05/10/05 20:16:01 Shellie_NM: WB Jana
05/10/05 20:16:05 Carol_SK: mine worked well Cheryl
05/10/05 20:16:13 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Carol, Clare, DM, Pat, Shellie & Tony!
05/10/05 20:16:26 Jana_in_Indiana: a little bit, thanks for asking!
05/10/05 20:16:30 Clare_KS: Rehi, Jana
05/10/05 20:16:35 Dogmom: Seems like every time I repot, I lose the lowest row of leaves.
05/10/05 20:16:45 Pat1214_SC: Hi Jana
05/10/05 20:16:56 violetbecca Logs in [71.98.76.32]
05/10/05 20:17:04 Dogmom: Hi Becca
05/10/05 20:17:04 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Becca!
05/10/05 20:17:05 Carol_SK: lots of leaves to put down Cheryl
05/10/05 20:17:07 violetbecca: hi
05/10/05 20:17:13 Carol_SK: hi Becca
05/10/05 20:17:20 violetbecca: hi all
05/10/05 20:17:21 Shellie_NM: I have done it, major surgery on a long neck.  The first time is the worst because you fell so guilty that you might be killing your plant.
05/10/05 20:17:35 Carol_SK: so right Shellie
05/10/05 20:17:42 Shellie_NM: But you are not you are giving it a new life
05/10/05 20:17:51 Tony_C: Well either cutoff the rootball so it is at the right depth when you repot of decapitate
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05/10/05 20:17:59 Carol_SK: and if mine lived... I feel sure yours will
05/10/05 20:18:04 Dogmom: So true, Shellie - still, it was scary not only the first time, but remains so everytime
05/10/05 20:18:05 Clare_KS Logs in [65.26.89.232]
05/10/05 20:18:14 Jana_in_Indiana: WB Clare
05/10/05 20:18:19 Shellie_NM: wb Clare
05/10/05 20:18:53 Carol_SK: it does take a leap of faith that is for sure
05/10/05 20:19:08 Dogmom: With the neck so twisted, I'm going to have to decapitate this time. Will just grit my teeth, do it, bag it, and pray LOL!
05/10/05 20:19:58 Carol_SK: oh,. it did not like my message
05/10/05 20:20:22 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
05/10/05 20:20:35 Pat1214_SC: I might not be on long  we are have a bad thunder storm , so if i disappear you know what happened.
05/10/05 20:20:37 Carol_SK: lol
05/10/05 20:20:44 Jana_in_Indiana: sometimes it thinks we're cussing when we're not
05/10/05 20:20:44 Carol_SK: didn't like it again
05/10/05 20:21:02 Tony_C: why does it say "repharse your last message"?
05/10/05 20:21:02 Dogmom: Try it in a foreign language, Carol ;-)
05/10/05 20:21:02 Jana_in_Indiana: put spaces in the offending word
05/10/05 20:21:15 Jana_in_Indiana: it's thinks you're cussing Tony
05/10/05 20:21:18 Carol_SK: I don't know what the offending word is
05/10/05 20:21:26 Jana_in_Indiana: ;)
05/10/05 20:21:41 Carol_SK: Canadian?, eh??
05/10/05 20:21:47 Carol_SK: lol
05/10/05 20:21:48 Tony_C: scra pe old neck
05/10/05 20:21:58 Carol_SK: yes !  Tony
05/10/05 20:22:03 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, it's s c r a p e!!!
05/10/05 20:22:05 Dogmom: ooooh.... c r a p!
05/10/05 20:22:05 Carol_SK: and put rooting compound on
05/10/05 20:22:21 Carol_SK: what the **** did they think I was saying
05/10/05 20:22:27 Tony_C: if you want to Carol
05/10/05 20:22:33 Jana_in_Indiana: take off the sc
05/10/05 20:22:47 paula0103 Logs in [12.223.195.199]
05/10/05 20:22:52 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Paula
05/10/05 20:22:59 Dogmom: When I do it, I also cut the neck in a tapered way, to expose even more surface... basically it becomes almost pointed
05/10/05 20:23:01 Tony_C: pot the neck into a new container
05/10/05 20:23:01 Shellie_NM: hi Paula
05/10/05 20:23:02 Carol_SK: thanks Jana I would not have made the connection
05/10/05 20:23:06 Dogmom: That has worked well for me.
05/10/05 20:23:09 paula0103: Hi Everyone!
05/10/05 20:23:26 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Paula!
05/10/05 20:23:27 Carol_SK: Hi Paula
05/10/05 20:23:35 violetbecca: hi paula
05/10/05 20:23:36 Tony_C: leave the top 2-3 rows of leaves on
05/10/05 20:23:37 paula0103: What's going on?
05/10/05 20:23:45 Dogmom: Hi Paula :)
05/10/05 20:23:47 Jana_in_Indiana: long necks discussion
05/10/05 20:23:51 paula0103: Ok
05/10/05 20:23:55 Dogmom: Talking about necking LOL!
05/10/05 20:24:08 Carol_SK: how come they let you say that Cheryl???
05/10/05 20:24:10 paula0103: Havne't done that for awhile!  :)
05/10/05 20:24:12 Tony_C: Bag it for a few weeks
05/10/05 20:24:20 Carol_SK: it was just as bad as sc rapeing
05/10/05 20:24:44 Jana_in_Indiana: put spaces in & you can say almost anything
05/10/05 20:24:45 Dogmom: must have been the spaces between the letters, Carol
05/10/05 20:25:04 becky_co Logs in [209.142.190.14]
05/10/05 20:25:07 Carol_SK: I give up, it makes little sense to me
05/10/05 20:25:09 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Becky!'
05/10/05 20:25:11 Carol_SK: hi Becky
05/10/05 20:25:11 paula0103: Hi Becky
05/10/05 20:25:15 Tony_C: hi Becky
05/10/05 20:25:16 Dogmom: Hi Becky!
05/10/05 20:25:19 becky_co: Hi all --- wow full room tonight
05/10/05 20:25:25 Shellie_NM: Hi Becky
05/10/05 20:25:27 Clare_KS: if the neck is really long, can you slice it into sections and plant each section?
05/10/05 20:25:40 Jana_in_Indiana: it comupter sense Carol, I don't even try to understand it!
05/10/05 20:25:47 Carol_SK: no Clare it rots, at least mine did when I tried that
05/10/05 20:25:52 Tony_C: seems like you would need leaves on each section
05/10/05 20:26:08 Clare_KS: How about if you let it scab over?
05/10/05 20:26:15 Shellie_NM: Hey Jana, DHL left a note for me that a package had arrived.  Is that your leaves?
05/10/05 20:26:34 Jana_in_Indiana: I took the bottom of a long neck, just the neck & roots, & it set out suckers all over it!
05/10/05 20:26:40 Carol_SK: guess you could try it as an experiment and let us know
05/10/05 20:26:55 Jana_in_Indiana: no Shellie, sent them USPS
05/10/05 20:27:05 Shellie_NM: OK
05/10/05 20:27:17 Carol_SK: the one I did was barely connected by one flimsy root, I have no idea why it was still alive
05/10/05 20:28:00 Tony_C: will to live, Carol
05/10/05 20:28:09 Jana_in_Indiana: right Tony!
05/10/05 20:28:17 Carol_SK: must be, all the leaves were deformed and everything
05/10/05 20:28:49 violetbecca: little guy had a will to live
05/10/05 20:29:37 Carol_SK: it will make an interesting picture if I can get it to bloom with the deformed leaves and the new ones lol
05/10/05 20:30:17 Jana_in_Indiana: post it when you get it Carol
05/10/05 20:30:34 Clare_KS: Has anyone tried planting one in the Gel2Root?
05/10/05 20:30:41 Carol_SK: will, do it will be amazing if it works
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05/10/05 20:31:11 Clare_KS: I bit the bullet and ordered two bottles.
05/10/05 20:31:15 Jana_in_Indiana: putting a long neck in the gel2root?  I haven't tried that, but I have put suckers in it & they grow like crazy
05/10/05 20:31:33 Carol_SK: I should think it would work...
05/10/05 20:31:50 Clare_KS: sounds like a fun classroom project
05/10/05 20:32:09 Jana_in_Indiana: gonna try 1 batch of my TC babies in the gel2root as soon as I have tine, LOL
05/10/05 20:32:12 Jana_in_Indiana: time*
05/10/05 20:32:24 Carol_SK: and you can be our Gel2root-Long-neck teacher Clare
05/10/05 20:32:24 Clare_KS: what are TC babies?
05/10/05 20:32:34 Jana_in_Indiana: tissue culture
05/10/05 20:32:42 Clare_KS: Carol, my plants are all pretty new, no long-necks yet :)
05/10/05 20:33:01 Clare_KS: But I'm up for any experiments.
05/10/05 20:33:09 Carol_SK: lol it might take awhile to practice that then
05/10/05 20:33:39 Carol_SK: I inherited my longnecks, so maybe some old lady will give you one... laffin
05/10/05 20:33:47 Clare_KS: hehe hee
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05/10/05 20:34:33 Tony_C: got the longnecks all straigth?
05/10/05 20:35:02 becky_co: they're all crooked LOL
05/10/05 20:35:03 Jana_in_Indiana: Thanks Tony!  Sorry I ran off
05/10/05 20:35:28 Jana_in_Indiana: my Dad is here for dinner, Mom's at card club & they just HAD to go see the lake!
05/10/05 20:35:30 Carol_SK: except for the mini palm tree one
05/10/05 20:35:30 Tony_C: crooked will be straight when you are done
05/10/05 20:35:44 becky_co: yep
05/10/05 20:36:04 Tony_C: do the same for the mini palm
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05/10/05 20:36:27 Carol_SK: is it really scenic at the lake Jana?
05/10/05 20:36:51 paula0103: Jana, which lake are you talking about?
05/10/05 20:36:54 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, it's where my son fishes all the time, rides his bike to go fishing, LOL
05/10/05 20:37:04 Jana_in_Indiana: Delaware
05/10/05 20:37:15 paula0103: Oh, I know where that is
05/10/05 20:37:32 Clare_KS: I have a very newbie question...
05/10/05 20:37:38 Jana_in_Indiana: Ft. Harrison State Park
05/10/05 20:37:43 Tony_C: go for it Clare
05/10/05 20:37:47 Clare_KS: I wicked a few plants on Saturday,
05/10/05 20:37:53 Jana_in_Indiana: practically in my back yard
05/10/05 20:38:01 Clare_KS: made a HUGE mess...how do you do it without getting the wick all dirty?
05/10/05 20:38:06 Carol_SK: sounds awesome Jana
05/10/05 20:38:44 Tony_C: who cares if its dirty Clare. Does it work?
05/10/05 20:38:49 Jana_in_Indiana: it's nice to be so close
05/10/05 20:39:00 becky_co: Clare, are you talking the part that hangs down
05/10/05 20:39:17 Jana_in_Indiana: rinse the wick off in a cup of water
05/10/05 20:39:30 Clare_KS: Yes, Becky
05/10/05 20:39:36 becky_co: you can rinse it off or dip it so it doesn't take the dirt to it's new wicking pot
05/10/05 20:39:51 Clare_KS: oh, ok, so it's not just me that gets it dirty.
05/10/05 20:40:00 Clare_KS: I thought there must be a trick to it :)
05/10/05 20:40:07 Tony_C: sound good Becky
05/10/05 20:40:24 Carol_SK: it probably gets easier each time Clare
05/10/05 20:40:47 Jana_in_Indiana: it'll eventually become routine
05/10/05 20:41:13 becky_co: it does get easier :) - some of my first ones were very messy
05/10/05 20:41:39 Jana_in_Indiana: also, using pre-moistened soil helps reduce the mess
05/10/05 20:41:52 Tony_C: how can you garden and not get dirt on your hands?
05/10/05 20:41:55 violetbecca Logs in [71.98.76.32]
05/10/05 20:42:01 Jana_in_Indiana: WB Becca!
05/10/05 20:42:07 violetbecca: thanks
05/10/05 20:43:16 Shellie_NM: Clare did you repot those plants or just push a wick into a plant?
05/10/05 20:43:43 Clare_KS: repotted and wicked.
05/10/05 20:45:12 Clare_KS: you can't just push a wick in and have it work right, can you?
05/10/05 20:45:23 Jana_in_Indiana: sure!
05/10/05 20:45:34 Clare_KS: hmm, well, tell me how
05/10/05 20:45:41 Jana_in_Indiana: everytime I forget to put one in when repotting, LOL
05/10/05 20:45:53 Clare_KS: how do you get it to stay in there?
05/10/05 20:46:03 Shellie_NM: when you repot, first put the wick 1/2 way thru one of the holes, put a 1/2 inch of perlite in the bottom of the pot, lay the wick around the pot on the perlite and put a little soil in the pot to cover the wick.  Then plant your plant.
05/10/05 20:46:12 Jana_in_Indiana: pull it all the way to the top of the soil
05/10/05 20:46:21 Jana_in_Indiana: Tony, you've had to do it too, right?
05/10/05 20:46:35 Clare_KS: Jana, do you leave it long or pull it back?
05/10/05 20:46:56 Tony_C: use a crochet hook and pull it up thru the top
05/10/05 20:47:07 Jana_in_Indiana: I do the lazy way, just loop it over the soil on top, leaving enough out the bottom to work
05/10/05 20:47:33 Clare_KS: I thought that would make it too wet...?
05/10/05 20:48:20 Shellie_NM: I use a darning kneedle to wick an unwicked plant that I don't want to repot
05/10/05 20:48:37 Tony_C: supposedly, the wick carries the moisture. The soil tells it how much
05/10/05 20:48:46 Jana_in_Indiana: if your soil gets too wet, you need more perlite, not the wicks fault
05/10/05 20:48:57 Clare_KS: oh, I see, Jana...
05/10/05 20:49:07 Clare_KS: so it's not a function of how much wick.
05/10/05 20:49:13 Jana_in_Indiana: nope
05/10/05 20:49:31 Jana_in_Indiana: unless the wick is as big as a garden hose
05/10/05 20:49:33 Clare_KS: well, that sure sounds easier than the way I was doing it.
05/10/05 20:49:52 paula0103: Do you need to put perlite in the bottom of a self watering container?
05/10/05 20:50:15 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, usually
05/10/05 20:50:38 becky_co: Paula, I started doing that and found they seem to be a little happier (straight perlite about 1/2" then the soil)
05/10/05 20:50:58 paula0103: I wouldn't have thought to do that
05/10/05 20:51:47 paula0103: I have another question off the subject
05/10/05 20:51:52 Clare_KS: what's the rationale for the perlite on bottom?
05/10/05 20:52:40 Jana_in_Indiana: perlite acts as a wick of sorta too, check out Texas style potting
05/10/05 20:52:55 Clare_KS: where, Jana?
05/10/05 20:53:08 becky_co: It's on the self watering pots (the glazed ones)... it seems to keep them more consistent but I've never had problems with them...
05/10/05 20:53:24 Tony_C: perlite won't draw water, so if you have them in a tray of water the wick and soil draw water
05/10/05 20:53:45 paula0103: I ordered AV seeds Optimara Fantasy Hybrids.  Can someone explain what the Fantasy part is?  I know what they look like but how do they get that way and how will I be able to id them?
05/10/05 20:54:13 Tony_C: you won't ID them Paula
05/10/05 20:54:27 paula0103: Why not?
05/10/05 20:54:31 Jana_in_Indiana: in the files, search the chats, one of them is about Texas style potting
05/10/05 20:55:03 Clare_KS: I found it on the Optimara site http://www.optimara.com/optimaraglossary/t-tox.html
05/10/05 20:56:08 Tony_C: Paula, each will probably grow with their own characteristics
05/10/05 20:56:19 Jana_in_Indiana: perlite is in the bottom of all Texas Style potting pots & also the Oyama pots, no wicks at all, so the perlite has to wick the water up to the soil, the soil isn't in the water
05/10/05 20:57:02 Tony_C: If I sell/ship an Optimara Nebraska, you want that plant. You can get it only from a leaf or sucker
05/10/05 20:57:07 Clare_KS: so...the pot sits right in the water, then?
05/10/05 20:57:47 paula0103: Tony will they then be noids?
05/10/05 20:58:09 Jana_in_Indiana: yes Clare
05/10/05 20:58:23 Jana_in_Indiana: you put holes in the sides & bottom of the pot/cup
05/10/05 20:58:28 Tony_C: essentially, yes, Paula. No way to positively ID them.
05/10/05 20:58:40 paula0103: ok thanks
05/10/05 20:58:47 becky_co: Clare, I've tried Texas watering with some of mine and they seem to GROW VERY FAST!!
05/10/05 20:58:56 Tony_C: Kind of like picking up an Opti at Wally-Mart and trying to ID it
05/10/05 20:59:16 Jana_in_Indiana: & send the roots down into the perlite & water & don't rot -- I have no idea why!
05/10/05 20:59:31 paula0103: Which I have been trying to do!
05/10/05 21:00:09 Tony_C: If you ever show a plant, Paula, they will disqualify it if not ID'd right
05/10/05 21:00:23 paula0103: That makes sense now
05/10/05 21:00:50 paula0103: It isn't what I wanted to hear but it makes sense :)
05/10/05 21:00:56 Carol_SK: Tony if you have seeds from two Named violets can you then GIVE them an ID
05/10/05 21:01:23 Jana_in_Indiana: I *think* Optimaras have to have the Optimara ID tag with name to be shown, or is that only for the Opt. collection?
05/10/05 21:01:37 Tony_C: as far as I know if the parents are know yes you can, Carol
05/10/05 21:02:02 Carol_SK: Oh,ok thanks Tony
05/10/05 21:02:06 Jana_in_Indiana: yup Carol, it's called hybridizing!  LOL
05/10/05 21:02:15 becky_co: Jana, I think I heard recently that they were changing that rule, but I'm not sure where/when I heard it
05/10/05 21:02:23 violetbecca: I know this doesn't pertain to the chat tonight but need to know what to do.   I have 6 regulaer plain old av's any way two of them it seems like the light is burning them just the out sides of the petals are brown what is happening
05/10/05 21:02:23 Carol_SK: lol I have some named seeds that are coming quite nicely
05/10/05 21:02:29 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks Becky!
05/10/05 21:02:37 paula0103: Carol where did you get them?
05/10/05 21:02:45 Jana_in_Indiana: we'll need photos Carol!
05/10/05 21:02:46 Carol_SK: one of the VR members
05/10/05 21:03:00 Carol_SK: well, Jana they are not blooming yet...  laffin
05/10/05 21:03:13 Carol_SK: but they look happy and are coming nicely
05/10/05 21:03:47 Jana_in_Indiana: the seedlings of Pat's I'm growing are taking off like weeds!
05/10/05 21:03:51 Carol_SK: Paula when you get named violets blooming it is fun and quite easy to grow your own hybrids
05/10/05 21:03:55 Tony_C: Becca, move them away from the light and see what happens. Yes it sounds like they are getting burned.
05/10/05 21:04:21 paula0103: Carol, I have a couple but I don't know how to do it.
05/10/05 21:04:52 Jana_in_Indiana: how old are the blooms Becca?  Could they just be getting old & dying off?
05/10/05 21:05:10 Clare_KS: Do you get blooming plants faster from seed or leaves?
05/10/05 21:05:37 Carol_SK: Paula basically you take the pollen from the little yellow sacs and put some on the 'stick like part' of the flower
05/10/05 21:05:43 Shellie_NM: Hey everybody, I need to go lay down.  My head is aching and so is my back
05/10/05 21:05:57 paula0103: What will I get then?
05/10/05 21:05:57 Carol_SK: Clare from leaves
05/10/05 21:05:58 Tony_C: ite Shelloe
05/10/05 21:06:00 Jana_in_Indiana: the fastest way it to pot them in really small pots, once root bound, they'll bloom
05/10/05 21:06:02 violetbecca: take care shellie
05/10/05 21:06:08 Shellie_NM: nite
05/10/05 21:06:09 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Shellie!
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05/10/05 21:06:11 becky_co: Night Shell
05/10/05 21:07:15 violetbecca: it migt just be getting old
05/10/05 21:07:35 Carol_SK: Paula what do you mean what will you get then?
05/10/05 21:07:43 Jana_in_Indiana: if the leaves aren't getting burned, it might be old blossoms, they don
05/10/05 21:07:56 Jana_in_Indiana: don't last forever, darnit!
05/10/05 21:08:30 paula0103: Are you just propagating in a different way or what will doing what you said do?
05/10/05 21:08:45 Carol_SK: Paula there are some interesting talks in the files on hybirdizing
05/10/05 21:08:57 violetbecca: yes because the leaves are not burnning and the one bloom looke great
05/10/05 21:08:59 paula0103: I will check those out.  Thanks!
05/10/05 21:09:26 Carol_SK: with the pollen?  it will fertilize the flower and you will get a seedpod
05/10/05 21:09:56 paula0103: OH!!! Now I get it!  Thanks Carol
05/10/05 21:10:03 Carol_SK: make sure you have the names on them, and the name of the one you crossed it with
05/10/05 21:10:22 Jana_in_Indiana: someone (Dr Jeff or Janet?) said to use a petal from a bloom to apply the pollen to the pistal, so you don't harm it, sounded good to me
05/10/05 21:10:26 Carol_SK: then the seeds are your hybrids and if you figure it out and do it right, they can become your named violets
05/10/05 21:10:46 paula0103: Wow that would be cool
05/10/05 21:10:57 Carol_SK: I use a staight pin (usually used for sewing)
05/10/05 21:11:46 Carol_SK: it is neat Paula, I have been practicing with NOIDS
05/10/05 21:11:50 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, I was supposed to tell everyone, Del has guests & is sorry he couldn't make it to chat tonight
05/10/05 21:12:00 Jana_in_Indiana: but at least he's feeling OK
05/10/05 21:12:10 Carol_SK: it is good that he is feeling well
05/10/05 21:12:32 Clare_KS: Carol, if you get a nice violet from NOIDS, can you name it?
05/10/05 21:12:41 Carol_SK: only at home lol
05/10/05 21:12:42 Clare_KS: Or does it have to have a "pedigree?"
05/10/05 21:12:43 Jana_in_Indiana: my guest doesn't even care if I'm in the chat, they're talking about fishin'!
05/10/05 21:12:57 becky_co: lol
05/10/05 21:12:58 Carol_SK: it has to have a 'pedigree'
05/10/05 21:13:05 paula0103: I do have one more stupid question :)
05/10/05 21:13:13 Tony_C: yes, pedigre. You have to know the parents
05/10/05 21:13:25 paula0103: With the "bingo" what makes a bingo?
05/10/05 21:13:35 Carol_SK: no question is stupid Paula
05/10/05 21:13:36 Jana_in_Indiana: the only question that's stupid, is the one you don't ask!
05/10/05 21:13:47 paula0103: Well then I'm really smart tonight
05/10/05 21:13:51 Jana_in_Indiana: once all the 15 names on your card have been called
05/10/05 21:13:57 Carol_SK: true Paula lol
05/10/05 21:13:59 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
05/10/05 21:14:02 Tony_C: if u get your 15 picks picked before anyone else
05/10/05 21:14:04 becky_co: A bingo is when all 15 of your picks are called (i.e.a blackout)
05/10/05 21:14:31 paula0103: Ok I'm so glad I came this evening!  I now know all!
05/10/05 21:14:41 becky_co: time to go... long day at work today , and longer tomorrow
05/10/05 21:14:44 becky_co: LOL Paula
05/10/05 21:14:47 Carol_SK: laffin, and then next week you will find more to learn
05/10/05 21:14:53 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Becky!
05/10/05 21:14:54 Tony_C: nite Becky
05/10/05 21:15:04 paula0103: I'll probably have many more questions by then
05/10/05 21:15:06 Carol_SK: nite Becky
05/10/05 21:15:11 paula0103: bye Becky
05/10/05 21:15:17 becky_co: nite all... have a great week!!!
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05/10/05 21:15:24 Jana_in_Indiana: be sure to come back often Paula!
05/10/05 21:15:34 paula0103: Oh you know I will
05/10/05 21:15:48 paula0103: I must go all.  Thanks for everything!
05/10/05 21:15:54 Jana_in_Indiana: OMG, I just remembered I promised Cheryl I'd do the discovery chat tomorrow -- aabout Tissue Culture!
05/10/05 21:15:58 Tony_C: nite Paula
05/10/05 21:16:01 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Paula!
05/10/05 21:16:03 Carol_SK: nite Paula
05/10/05 21:16:13 Carol_SK: have fun practicing...
05/10/05 21:16:17 paula0103: Bye
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05/10/05 21:16:52 Clare_KS: Nite, Becky
05/10/05 21:16:53 Carol_SK: that will be a good chat, about TC
05/10/05 21:17:15 Jana_in_Indiana: do you think if I post photos anyone would care to look at them?  hotos of TC?
05/10/05 21:17:31 Clare_KS: I would!
05/10/05 21:17:32 Carol_SK: I would, but then, I'm pretty weird
05/10/05 21:17:32 Tony_C: would help, Jana
05/10/05 21:17:39 Jana_in_Indiana: I'd better start working on notes tonight!
05/10/05 21:17:57 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, just seems if we post stuff before chat, no one bothers to check it out
05/10/05 21:18:23 Tony_C: well, that is their disadvantage
05/10/05 21:18:30 Clare_KS: I solemnly swear to check it out.
05/10/05 21:18:32 Carol_SK: right, TOny, but some might
05/10/05 21:18:33 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL, right Tony!
05/10/05 21:18:55 Clare_KS: (and you know I'm rarely solemn)
05/10/05 21:18:56 Carol_SK: lol Clare
05/10/05 21:19:13 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
05/10/05 21:19:25 Carol_SK: does that mean you swear regularly??
05/10/05 21:19:33 Clare_KS: sure
05/10/05 21:19:35 Clare_KS: hee hee
05/10/05 21:19:35 Carol_SK: lol
05/10/05 21:19:48 Jana_in_Indiana: but not in chat, it won't let us!  LOL
05/10/05 21:20:03 Clare_KS: only when I'm alone in the car, though.
05/10/05 21:20:13 Carol_SK: lots on VR do, they keep swearing that they will not buy more violets, and they will not need more light stands lol
05/10/05 21:20:32 Carol_SK: I am surprised they will let us type the word
05/10/05 21:20:34 Clare_KS: that kind of swearing gets us in trouble!!
05/10/05 21:21:03 Clare_KS: I mentioned to my daughter on Sunday that I was getting into AVs andshe piped right up, you mean BACK into them???
05/10/05 21:21:06 Carol_SK: can do, that is for sure
05/10/05 21:21:13 Clare_KS: I hoped they had all forgotten.
05/10/05 21:21:35 Jana_in_Indiana: better than other things we could be getting into!
05/10/05 21:21:47 Clare_KS: you wanna write her a note, Jana?
05/10/05 21:21:58 Jana_in_Indiana: no thanks!
05/10/05 21:22:10 Carol_SK: Just give her an AV Clare
05/10/05 21:22:21 Clare_KS: If she'd give me a grandbaby, I wouldn't have to think of other things to do with my time  :p
05/10/05 21:22:36 Clare_KS: heck, no, she has a brown thumb.
05/10/05 21:22:52 Carol_SK: oh, shucks, that won't work
05/10/05 21:22:56 Jana_in_Indiana: my daughter does too Clare!
05/10/05 21:23:21 Clare_KS: My son will be the one to pick it up, I'm betting.
05/10/05 21:23:34 Carol_SK: there is hope, when I was in my twenties (a couple of years ago) I had to read Gardening For The Purple Thumb
05/10/05 21:23:59 Jana_in_Indiana: my son grows all kinds of stuff, even strawberries, grapes & fruit trees, plus house plants
05/10/05 21:24:01 Clare_KS: Carol, you're so young. I'm in my mid-39's.
05/10/05 21:24:12 Carol_SK: ROTFLMBO
05/10/05 21:24:15 Clare_KS: my son did when they had a yard. Now he cooks and knits.
05/10/05 21:24:31 Carol_SK: my tongue is in my cheek, Clare and I forgot the LOL
05/10/05 21:24:44 Clare_KS: I know, I was teasing you, being in your mid-29's.
05/10/05 21:25:24 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm 50 & don't care who knows!  Better to get older than to die!
05/10/05 21:25:30 Carol_SK: your son will most likely be an AV-o-holic someday Jana
05/10/05 21:25:43 Carol_SK: got that right Jana
05/10/05 21:25:47 Jana_in_Indiana: no, he doesn't really like them
05/10/05 21:26:07 Carol_SK: not yet, but just wait till he is a couple of years past twenty lol
05/10/05 21:26:34 Clare_KS: Did you all hear about the school bus crash here yesterday?
05/10/05 21:26:51 Tony_C: no
05/10/05 21:26:54 Jana_in_Indiana: yes
05/10/05 21:26:59 Carol_SK: that is awful, were they hurt
05/10/05 21:27:24 Clare_KS: the two men in the cars were killed instantly, 27 kids hurt, two critical.
05/10/05 21:27:38 Clare_KS: It's sounding like the brakes failed.
05/10/05 21:27:58 Carol_SK: oh, my!
05/10/05 21:28:17 Jana_in_Indiana: I saw it on the news, so sad!
05/10/05 21:28:35 Clare_KS: yeah, it's all anybody talked about today.
05/10/05 21:29:12 Jana_in_Indiana: I thought I saw it last night?
05/10/05 21:29:22 Clare_KS: it happened yesterday
05/10/05 21:29:24 Tony_C: well, gonna call it quits, ladies. See you all later
05/10/05 21:29:31 Clare_KS: night, Tony
05/10/05 21:29:31 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Tony!
05/10/05 21:29:32 Carol_SK: nite Tony
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05/10/05 21:30:09 Carol_SK: I am going to run off too so Jana can get to her homework lol
05/10/05 21:30:17 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Carol!
05/10/05 21:30:23 Jana_in_Indiana: how cold is it there?
05/10/05 21:30:33 Carol_SK: 'nite Jana, Clare and Becca?
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05/10/05 21:31:05 Jana_in_Indiana: any questions leaf?
05/10/05 21:31:06 Clare_KS: it's hot here, was int he 80s today
05/10/05 21:31:09 Jana_in_Indiana: left?
05/10/05 21:31:18 Clare_KS: I have a million, but will wait for the next time :)
05/10/05 21:31:30 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm the donor for Carol on VVV, but can't ship till it won't freeze them
05/10/05 21:31:30 Clare_KS: night, Jana and thanks :)
05/10/05 21:31:39 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Clare!
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05/10/05 21:32:07 Jana_in_Indiana: becca -- you still here?
05/10/05 21:32:52 Jana_in_Indiana: guess I'll go do my homework!
05/10/05 21:32:58 Jana_in_Indiana: G'nite Becca!
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