06/15/05 19:44:59 Cheryl-TX Logs in [68.94.3.245]
06/15/05 19:46:45 Jana_in_Indiana Logs in [172.151.253.50]
06/15/05 19:47:12 Jana_in_Indiana: howdy!  Long time no talk!  :P
06/15/05 19:47:43 Cheryl-TX: i am opening a new box of leaves
06/15/05 19:47:53 Cheryl-TX: not leaves,  streps
06/15/05 19:48:59 Jana_in_Indiana: well, get them all settled!
06/15/05 19:49:40 Cheryl-TX: not enough time will have to do it after chat
06/15/05 19:49:53 Cheryl-TX: have two boxes
06/15/05 19:50:57 Jana_in_Indiana: great!  From a swap or did you order them?
06/15/05 19:51:17 Cheryl-TX: ebay
06/15/05 19:51:19 Cheryl-TX: lol
06/15/05 19:51:27 Jana_in_Indiana: can you send me a photo of a variegated strep?  I've heard of them but never seen one
06/15/05 19:51:46 Jana_in_Indiana: :p shame on you!  LOL
06/15/05 19:51:50 Cheryl-TX: just got my first
06/15/05 19:52:31 Cheryl-TX: iced ice baby
06/15/05 19:52:39 Jana_in_Indiana: great!  Do they look much different?
06/15/05 19:53:12 Cheryl-TX: just have brushes of white
06/15/05 19:53:20 Jana_in_Indiana: to be honest, streps just don't interest me much right now, I've looked & looked & don't get the urge to get one
06/15/05 19:53:24 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, ok
06/15/05 19:55:00 Cheryl-TX: brb
06/15/05 19:55:03 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
06/15/05 20:00:22 Cheryl-TX: back
06/15/05 20:00:42 Jana_in_Indiana: on the phone w/Millie
06/15/05 20:00:57 Cheryl-TX: ok
06/15/05 20:01:43 Tony__IL Logs in [207.43.75.34]
06/15/05 20:02:01 Tony__IL: hi Cheryl and Jana
06/15/05 20:02:05 Cheryl-TX: hi tony
06/15/05 20:02:14 Cheryl-TX: jana is on the phone with millie
06/15/05 20:02:25 Tony__IL: hope it some good news
06/15/05 20:02:30 Cheryl-TX: me too
06/15/05 20:02:51 Cheryl-TX: what an awful thing to happen, your worst nightmare
06/15/05 20:02:57 Carol_SK Logs in [142.165.180.32]
06/15/05 20:03:06 Cheryl-TX: Hi Carol
06/15/05 20:03:27 Carol_SK: Hi Cheryl, Jana and Tony
06/15/05 20:03:31 Tony__IL: hi Carol, getting any warmer up there
06/15/05 20:03:46 Carol_SK: sure thing, no frost lately Tony
06/15/05 20:03:49 Cheryl-TX: where is up there
06/15/05 20:03:58 Carol_SK: western Canada
06/15/05 20:04:02 Clare_KS Logs in [65.26.89.232]
06/15/05 20:04:10 Tony__IL: SK, Canada
06/15/05 20:04:15 Cheryl-TX: Hi Clare
06/15/05 20:04:25 Tony__IL: hi Clare
06/15/05 20:04:29 Clare_KS: Hi :)
06/15/05 20:04:45 Clare_KS: What's our subject?
06/15/05 20:04:51 Cheryl-TX: that is what i thought, keep trying to think of a state with the abv of SK.... lol
06/15/05 20:05:03 Tony__IL: got the shipment of leaves off to Sweden this morning
06/15/05 20:05:35 Cheryl-TX: we are going to talk about how each of us put down leaves and why
06/15/05 20:05:40 Tony__IL: see what I get in the swap. Should be intersting
06/15/05 20:06:33 Tony__IL: why: cause it's the only one I have   and it doesn't look good LOL
06/15/05 20:06:49 Cheryl-TX: who were  you swapping with
06/15/05 20:07:00 Tony__IL: a lady in Sweden
06/15/05 20:07:11 Cheryl-TX: what is her name
06/15/05 20:07:16 Tony__IL: Sofie
06/15/05 20:07:51 Cheryl-TX: ok, dont know why that was important to me but it was
06/15/05 20:07:57 Cheryl-TX: how did you pack them
06/15/05 20:08:09 Clare_KS: Where do you all buy Superthrive? I went all over the place today and nobody's heard of it.
06/15/05 20:08:36 Tony__IL: 7.5 oz to a box with insulation in the box. Cost me about $1 per oz
06/15/05 20:08:52 Cheryl-TX: i dont think they carry it is canada, think del told me that
06/15/05 20:08:54 sherry__(Mo) Logs in [172.143.162.121]
06/15/05 20:09:03 Tony__IL: hi Sherry
06/15/05 20:09:16 Cheryl-TX: wow, tony, how much did it weight
06/15/05 20:09:20 sherry__(Mo): Hi!! Sorry I'm late...as usual
06/15/05 20:09:25 Cheryl-TX: where did you meet this lady
06/15/05 20:09:37 Tony__IL: 14 leaves and padding = 7.5 ounces
06/15/05 20:10:18 Cheryl-TX: Jana is on the phone to millie, maybe we will have an update
06/15/05 20:10:38 Tony__IL: contacted somebody in southern Illinois last year. Then she said can you just send her the leaves instead of sending them to me and me to her.
06/15/05 20:10:55 Tony__IL: don't even remember the name of the person
06/15/05 20:11:03 Charlene_in_OK Logs in [68.12.244.136]
06/15/05 20:11:21 Charlene_in_OK: Hi everyone, sorry I'm late
06/15/05 20:11:22 Cheryl-TX: hi
06/15/05 20:11:29 Tony__IL: The girl from Oklahoma
06/15/05 20:11:31 Cheryl-TX: Hi Charlene
06/15/05 20:11:45 sherry__(Mo): Hi Charlene
06/15/05 20:12:11 Tony__IL: is it pronounced Karlene or Sharene
06/15/05 20:12:16 Charlene_in_OK: Sharlene
06/15/05 20:12:35 Tony__IL: got it
06/15/05 20:12:41 Charlene_in_OK: What are we discovering tonite?
06/15/05 20:13:29 Cheryl-TX: each one of us will share how we put down our leaves and why we like that way
06/15/05 20:13:32 Tony__IL: how to put down leaves
06/15/05 20:13:38 Charlene_in_OK: gotcha
06/15/05 20:13:55 Charlene_in_OK: have we not started yet?
06/15/05 20:14:03 Tony__IL: I do mune in soil Never have tried water
06/15/05 20:14:20 Cheryl-TX: i was kinda waiting for Jana, she is talking to millie
06/15/05 20:14:31 Tony__IL: mine* can't spell
06/15/05 20:14:55 sherry__(Mo): I do mine in soil too, but I started out doing them in vermiiculite and that worked for me too
06/15/05 20:14:59 Charlene_in_OK: HOpe all is okay with Tammy
06/15/05 20:15:04 Cheryl-TX: ok tony  you first, what are you calling soil
06/15/05 20:15:24 Cheryl-TX: do you mean a mix?
06/15/05 20:15:25 Tony__IL: potting mix I use for everything
06/15/05 20:15:41 Charlene_in_OK: one you make up Tony or a store bought brand?
06/15/05 20:15:41 Cheryl-TX: so not real soil
06/15/05 20:15:58 Cheryl-TX: ok tell us your recipe for mix
06/15/05 20:16:07 Tony__IL: make up: 3 of ProMix, 2 perlite and 1 vermic
06/15/05 20:16:46 Charlene_in_OK: how long on average does it take to see babies?
06/15/05 20:17:02 Cheryl-TX: about a month
06/15/05 20:17:10 Tony__IL: plus a handful of dolomite lime (3 tbsp) and some charcoal
06/15/05 20:17:22 Charlene_in_OK: To see babies or just roots?
06/15/05 20:17:23 Cheryl-TX: i put some down May 16 and they popped through last week
06/15/05 20:17:36 Charlene_in_OK: With Tony's mix
06/15/05 20:18:24 Charlene_in_OK: I put some down May 15th in the 1:1:1 mix and still nothing
06/15/05 20:18:26 Cheryl-TX: no with Richard Hicholas' Mmix
06/15/05 20:18:39 Charlene_in_OK: What is Richards mix Cheryl
06/15/05 20:18:57 Tony__IL: not mine. Think you have to test a little and see what works best for you in your environment
06/15/05 20:19:00 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm back
06/15/05 20:19:14 Cheryl-TX: 2 gallons Sunshine Mix #4, 4 cups perlite
06/15/05 20:19:26 sherry__(Mo): what did you find out Jana?
06/15/05 20:19:39 Charlene_in_OK: Sunshine Mix????
06/15/05 20:19:46 Cheryl-TX: 2cups vermiculite, 1 cup red lava sand, 1/3 cup dlominte lime
06/15/05 20:20:23 Cheryl-TX: A commercial mix
06/15/05 20:20:25 Jana_in_Indiana: Tammy is still the same, no worse, no better -- but it's taking a toll on Millie
06/15/05 20:20:41 sherry__(Mo): I can imagine!
06/15/05 20:20:43 Charlene_in_OK: I'll bet it is
06/15/05 20:20:47 Cheryl-TX: that will take a toll on any  one
06/15/05 20:20:52 Charlene_in_OK: Bless her heart
06/15/05 20:20:59 Jana_in_Indiana: as it would any of us if we had to go through that!
06/15/05 20:21:03 Clare_KS: what is the prognosis?
06/15/05 20:21:12 Tony__IL: give her our best when you talk again
06/15/05 20:21:25 Jana_in_Indiana: they aren't giving a prognosis at this point
06/15/05 20:21:39 Charlene_in_OK: How about her son-in-law, is his sight getting better?
06/15/05 20:21:40 Cheryl-TX: that is so scary
06/15/05 20:21:50 Jana_in_Indiana: I told her everyone was praying for Tammy & asking aobut her & Millie
06/15/05 20:22:35 Jana_in_Indiana: his sight is the same, going to specialist, had eyes scr  aped yesterday (sounds just awful!)
06/15/05 20:22:53 sherry__(Mo): And we're praying for Millie!
06/15/05 20:23:04 Charlene_in_OK: That truely is, anything with the eyes is just horribly painful.
06/15/05 20:23:11 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, I told her that too sherry
06/15/05 20:23:26 sherry__(Mo): Thanks Jana
06/15/05 20:23:34 Clare_KS: Thanks, Jana
06/15/05 20:23:34 Jana_in_Indiana: if anyone is medical trained -- she in coma stage 6
06/15/05 20:23:53 Jana_in_Indiana: 1 is worst, 15 is awake & alert like we are
06/15/05 20:24:00 Jana_in_Indiana: well, on a good day, LOL
06/15/05 20:24:05 Charlene_in_OK: lol
06/15/05 20:24:31 Jana_in_Indiana: Sorry cheryl, I didn't mean to interrupt!
06/15/05 20:24:46 Clare_KS: Here's some info about coma:
06/15/05 20:24:48 Clare_KS: http://www.spokanejournal.com/index.php?id=article&sub=1313
06/15/05 20:25:01 Cheryl-TX: we have been waiting for you,kinda
06/15/05 20:25:28 Charlene_in_OK: Cheryl were do you get the red lava sand?
06/15/05 20:26:01 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, I'd love to get some red lava sand!
06/15/05 20:26:07 Cheryl-TX: i think most nurserys carry it
06/15/05 20:26:18 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks for the link Clare, I saved it & will read it later
06/15/05 20:26:24 Tony__IL: and how is it different from sand, like in the kids sand box?
06/15/05 20:26:35 Cheryl-TX: i think is supplies the iron, but is seems like it makes the bloom bigger
06/15/05 20:26:43 Jana_in_Indiana: minerals & micronutrients
06/15/05 20:26:58 Charlene_in_OK: I asked on the list if bone meal and blood meal is the same, anyone know?
06/15/05 20:27:10 Clare_KS: Where do you all buy Superthrive? Nobody here's heard of it.
06/15/05 20:27:11 Jana_in_Indiana: no, not the same at all
06/15/05 20:27:14 Cheryl-TX: well it is volcanic and therefopre contains lot s o f iron
06/15/05 20:27:17 Tony__IL: don't think so
06/15/05 20:27:25 Jana_in_Indiana: I get ST at WalMart
06/15/05 20:27:31 Charlene_in_OK: As usual here in OK I don't recall seeing red lava sand available
06/15/05 20:27:37 Charlene_in_OK: I buy superthrive from Jana
06/15/05 20:27:43 sherry__(Mo): Walmart has started caring it here-I can get you some if you wanrt Clare
06/15/05 20:27:46 Clare_KS: The woman at WM told me she's worked there 7 years and has never heard of it.
06/15/05 20:27:53 Jana_in_Indiana: Charlene, didn't I send you the file about amendments?
06/15/05 20:27:56 Cheryl-TX: Do you have a Calaways nursery there
06/15/05 20:28:07 Clare_KS: I'll call the other WM near me...thanks, Sherry!
06/15/05 20:28:18 sherry__(Mo): Mine just started carrying it this year-I used to have to order it
06/15/05 20:28:31 Charlene_in_OK: No Jana, at least I don't think so?????
06/15/05 20:28:37 Clare_KS: No, CHeryl
06/15/05 20:28:39 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, I will!
06/15/05 20:28:45 Charlene_in_OK: No Calaways here that I know of
06/15/05 20:28:51 Charlene_in_OK: Thanks Jana
06/15/05 20:28:56 Jana_in_Indiana: anyone else want a copy?  Tells what different soil amendments add
06/15/05 20:29:02 Jana_in_Indiana: none here either
06/15/05 20:29:47 sherry__(Mo): Jana, will you resend it-I can't find anything around here!
06/15/05 20:29:55 Jana_in_Indiana: also sending deficiency charts
06/15/05 20:30:01 Jana_in_Indiana: sure Sherry!
06/15/05 20:30:05 sherry__(Mo): Thanks
06/15/05 20:30:13 Charlene_in_OK: Jana, I can't get the delightful oder of Chicken poop out of my senses  LOL
06/15/05 20:30:13 Carol_SK: Jana could you send them to me too
06/15/05 20:30:29 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL Charlene!
06/15/05 20:30:32 Jana_in_Indiana: sure Carol!
06/15/05 20:30:42 Carol_SK: thanks
06/15/05 20:31:40 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, think I sent it to everyone here, LOL!
06/15/05 20:32:01 sherry__(Mo): Got it! Thannks!
06/15/05 20:32:16 Carol_SK: Jana I just remembered that I owe you more money
06/15/05 20:32:19 Charlene_in_OK: I tried making up the soil mix,  but bought blood meal instead of bone meal, drat  *)
06/15/05 20:32:23 Jana_in_Indiana: Clare, is your e-mail @kc.rr.com?
06/15/05 20:32:41 Clare_KS: yes, Jana
06/15/05 20:32:48 Jana_in_Indiana: ok Carol, I forgot it too!
06/15/05 20:32:58 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, set it to you too Clare
06/15/05 20:33:03 Jana_in_Indiana: sent*
06/15/05 20:33:10 Clare_KS: Thank you!!
06/15/05 20:33:49 Jana_in_Indiana: had to do it now, I wonldn't remember later  *)
06/15/05 20:34:02 Clare_KS: Well, I have leaves rotting in the gel.
06/15/05 20:34:03 Carol_SK: thanks I got my email too
06/15/05 20:34:12 Jana_in_Indiana: Cheryl, sorry for taking you off topic again!
06/15/05 20:34:13 Clare_KS: But I didn't know to soak in bleach water...is that what's wrong?
06/15/05 20:34:27 Charlene_in_OK: Thanks Jana, got it
06/15/05 20:34:41 Jana_in_Indiana: you doing starting leaves tonight?
06/15/05 20:34:50 Jana_in_Indiana: everyone is welcome!
06/15/05 20:35:08 Charlene_in_OK: Clare, which gel are you using?
06/15/05 20:35:22 Clare_KS: Gel2Root
06/15/05 20:35:34 Cheryl-TX: well lets start with each person telling  their procedure
06/15/05 20:35:44 Cheryl-TX: tony you were saying
06/15/05 20:35:45 Charlene_in_OK: My leaves all rotted in just the gel crystals, but staying away from the gel2root
06/15/05 20:35:52 Charlene_in_OK: Sorry
06/15/05 20:36:14 Clare_KS: I'm trying some of what each person recommends to see what works best for me :)
06/15/05 20:36:16 Cheryl-TX: how do you prepare them before  you put them down
06/15/05 20:36:19 Clare_KS: Always want new ideas.
06/15/05 20:36:50 Cheryl-TX: Tony are you still with us
06/15/05 20:37:13 Cheryl-TX: Lets skip to sherry, uless she is with tony
06/15/05 20:37:20 Charlene_in_OK: LOL
06/15/05 20:37:41 sherry__(Mo): lol
06/15/05 20:37:43 Peggy_in_Pa Logs in [207.172.119.154]
06/15/05 20:37:50 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Peggy!
06/15/05 20:37:52 Charlene_in_OK: Hi Peggy
06/15/05 20:37:54 Cheryl-TX: Sherry, you know id you dont answer, them we will think your are with tony
06/15/05 20:37:56 Carol_SK: Hi Peggy
06/15/05 20:37:56 Peggy_in_Pa: Hi Everyone
06/15/05 20:38:00 sherry__(Mo): Hi Peggy
06/15/05 20:38:01 Cheryl-TX: hi peggy
06/15/05 20:38:06 Tony__IL: hi Peggy
06/15/05 20:38:49 Tony__IL: No she's in Missouri and I'm in Illinois LOL
06/15/05 20:38:56 sherry__(Mo): I soak mine in water with physan 20, superthrive
06/15/05 20:38:58 Cheryl-TX: lol
06/15/05 20:39:08 Charlene_in_OK: For how long Sherry?
06/15/05 20:39:16 Peggy_in_Pa: Sorry I'm late. I was out to dinner with my "Red Hat" group, just got home
06/15/05 20:39:16 Cheryl-TX: even the ones fresh from the plant
06/15/05 20:39:57 sherry__(Mo): If they are mine, just a few minutes. If I've gotten them in the mail, it varies. If they are linp, I let them soak until they firm up
06/15/05 20:40:37 sherry__(Mo): "limp"
06/15/05 20:41:04 Charlene_in_OK: Then do you let them dry and callous, and if so for how long?
06/15/05 20:41:50 sherry__(Mo): I usually let them set 5 to 10 minutes-depending on the size of the stem-mini's are smaller and callous over faster
06/15/05 20:42:20 Charlene_in_OK: How long does it take yours to produce babies Sherry?
06/15/05 20:42:31 sherry__(Mo): Usually 6 to 8 weeks
06/15/05 20:42:50 Charlene_in_OK: Boy, I 'm thinking I'm doing something wrong
06/15/05 20:42:58 sherry__(Mo): I had one that took 6 months before I finally had one baby!
06/15/05 20:43:09 Cheryl-TX: different leaves take different times
06/15/05 20:43:28 sherry__(Mo): LOL-the main ingredient is patience Charlene!
06/15/05 20:43:31 Jana_in_Indiana: & age of leaf matters too
06/15/05 20:43:37 Clare_KS: Have you had any babies yet, Charlene?
06/15/05 20:43:54 Charlene_in_OK: But, I guess it took me 10 months and 36 hrs to labor my youngest son so maybe it is just me  LOL
06/15/05 20:43:54 Tony__IL: probably depends if they were 3rd row of 7th row leaves
06/15/05 20:43:55 Cheryl-TX: Sherry lets here from all the group and see how their method differes from yours to this point
06/15/05 20:44:13 sherry__(Mo): Charlene, do you have one you can take several leafs from and do each differently?
06/15/05 20:44:22 Cheryl-TX: wrong here/hear
06/15/05 20:44:24 Cheryl-TX: lol
06/15/05 20:44:27 Charlene_in_OK: That is my next project
06/15/05 20:44:45 Cheryl-TX: carol is this what you do?
06/15/05 20:45:55 Cheryl-TX: Ok Charlene, what do you do
06/15/05 20:46:45 Tony__IL: I took 6 leaves from Rob's Boolaroo and Aca's Red ember and did each a little different. They all had babies about the same time/
06/15/05 20:46:49 Charlene_in_OK: Well the only ones that I have had babies on were NOIDs and I just put them in a pot of AV soil, before I knew their was a difference
06/15/05 20:47:01 sherry__(Mo): I think one of the keys at firt is to go light on the water Charlene-remeber, they don't have roots yet
06/15/05 20:47:12 Shellie_CA Logs in [172.194.193.191]
06/15/05 20:47:19 sherry__(Mo): Hi Shellie
06/15/05 20:47:21 Tony__IL: hi Shellie
06/15/05 20:47:21 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Shellie!
06/15/05 20:47:25 Cheryl-TX: did they come form your plant Charlene
06/15/05 20:47:55 Cheryl-TX: hi Shellie
06/15/05 20:47:59 Shellie_CA: Godd evening everyone
06/15/05 20:48:12 Charlene_in_OK: Yes, it was one I have had for about 6 years and everytime I had a leaf break off I put it in another pot
06/15/05 20:48:12 Shellie_CA: Good evening everyone
06/15/05 20:48:20 Jana_in_Indiana: godd evening to you too!  ;)
06/15/05 20:48:28 Charlene_in_OK: I had NOIDS all over the place
06/15/05 20:48:51 Charlene_in_OK: But to me they were just more precious babies... I didn't know ab out named babies then
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06/15/05 20:49:06 Jana_in_Indiana: we all did that Charlene
06/15/05 20:49:07 Cheryl-TX: well i think those are easy becasue they are so fresh and come from your conditions
06/15/05 20:49:19 sunshine Logs in [68.104.132.18]
06/15/05 20:49:28 Jana_in_Indiana: I agree Cheryl, and haven't had heat or cold in shipping!
06/15/05 20:49:31 Charlene_in_OK: I have leaves in very light mix, and in water, and like I said I tried the gel crystals
06/15/05 20:49:33 Cheryl-TX: Hi Amy
06/15/05 20:49:39 Tony__IL: hi sunshine, what is your real name?
06/15/05 20:49:47 sherry__(Mo): Hi Amy
06/15/05 20:49:48 Tony__IL: Oh, ok
06/15/05 20:50:12 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi amy
06/15/05 20:50:18 Charlene_in_OK: So is it a good idea to let your leafs aclimate before you mess with them, when you get them shipped to you?
06/15/05 20:50:22 sunshine: what is the subject tonight.
06/15/05 20:50:22 Cheryl-TX: I have never tried crystals, but the pictures jana has look great
06/15/05 20:50:37 Charlene_in_OK: If so for how long
06/15/05 20:50:50 Jana_in_Indiana: no cheryl, my photos are the Gel2Root liquid gel, not crystals
06/15/05 20:51:05 Peggy_in_Pa: I don't let mine callous and plant them in my soil mix of Mircale Grow and half perlite. Don't plant them too deep because it will take longer for the babies to show. I use 3 oz. solo cups and put them in a cover tray.
06/15/05 20:51:08 Tony__IL: you're the expert in water rooting, Amy. What do you do to get them from water to soil mix and when?
06/15/05 20:51:10 Cheryl-TX: ok,
06/15/05 20:51:39 Cheryl-TX: the leaves you receive in the mail are a bit stressed
06/15/05 20:51:49 Charlene_in_OK: I am so worried about loosing my gifted leaves and starts I can't stand it
06/15/05 20:52:00 sunshine: I have been rooting my leaves in vermic and water and doing well.  Well, sometimes I move them early and sometimes late.  and right  now I even have babies coming in wate.r  It doesn't hurt them to be transfered, must be sure that they have lots of water
06/15/05 20:52:27 Tony__IL: like I'd be stressed 5-7 days in a plane and getting lost a couple times. LOL
06/15/05 20:52:27 Cheryl-TX: but i have leaves that were forgotten about for over 6 weeks and they were still alive, so go figure
06/15/05 20:52:48 sherry__(Mo): LOL
06/15/05 20:52:53 Jana_in_Indiana: Charlene, don't let it worry you!  What's going to happen will happen anyway, with or without worry!
06/15/05 20:53:05 Charlene_in_OK: True Jana
06/15/05 20:53:11 sunshine: that is for sure, but they are remarkably hardy.  we had one box tht was in the air for 10 days and everything in them was perfect.
06/15/05 20:53:24 Charlene_in_OK: But, I worry more for my gifted ones than the one's I bought from Rob's
06/15/05 20:53:41 Charlene_in_OK: Although, I must admit I look at them about ten times a day too LOL
06/15/05 20:54:06 sunshine: Charlene, the more you worry about them, the more vulnerable they are to having something happen,  LOL.  Some leaves are just not going to make it, no matter what you do.
06/15/05 20:54:11 Tony__IL: viability does NOT equal he expense of the leaf
06/15/05 20:54:15 Cheryl-TX: it is so hard to figure, some times we abuse them and they thrive and sometime we treat them like royalty and they go mushy
06/15/05 20:54:24 sherry__(Mo): How true!!
06/15/05 20:54:27 Jana_in_Indiana: it'
06/15/05 20:54:35 sunshine: I was putting leaves in a loose soil mix and wondering why they were drying out.  finally decided to give them lots of water.
06/15/05 20:54:39 sunshine: and they are thriving.
06/15/05 20:54:44 Charlene_in_OK: Ain't that the truth Cheryl
06/15/05 20:54:53 Jana_in_Indiana: it's almost guaranteed that the more desperately you want it, the more likely it is to die!
06/15/05 20:55:20 Tony__IL: how can they grow in water and drown in mud? Ain't figured that one out yet.
06/15/05 20:55:25 Charlene_in_OK: Yep, you're right Jana
06/15/05 20:55:30 Jana_in_Indiana: those we could care less about always make it!
06/15/05 20:55:32 Cheryl-TX: Sherry washes her leaves and then lets them set
06/15/05 20:55:32 sunshine: It seems i do something different evry time I put down leaves, and i can honestly say, that with the exception of water being the key, it doesn't seem to make too much difference what I do.
06/15/05 20:55:40 Charlene_in_OK: No kidding Tony
06/15/05 20:55:57 Cheryl-TX: it is hard to figure that one tony
06/15/05 20:56:27 Charlene_in_OK: Those who use superthrive do you put on your leaves too?
06/15/05 20:56:33 Clare_KS: those little fragile roots have to PUSH through mud, but can float through water.
06/15/05 20:56:53 sunshine: well that secret is to not make mud,  just something very loose,  that is why I am using vrmiculite.  I have done that before and it is just a matter of something to support the leaf, because they are still rooting in wter.  Vrmic has no nutritional value,
06/15/05 20:56:58 sherry__(Mo): I mix a few drops in a gallon of water
06/15/05 20:57:11 sunshine: Essentially we are doing hydroponics.  And instead of superthrive I use Eleanors.
06/15/05 20:57:30 Peggy_in_Pa: Charlene Don't worry, this group will be there to keep you supplied with leaves and babies
06/15/05 20:57:53 Jana_in_Indiana: I put all my leaves straight into Pat's soil, & they grow like weeds!
06/15/05 20:57:56 sherry__(Mo): I had to stop using Eleanors Amy-it messed mine up and took awfhile to get them back in shape
06/15/05 20:58:07 Cheryl-TX: i use perlite too amy, for my growing conditions the vermic alone is to heavy, the perlite and vermic is looser
06/15/05 20:58:09 Jana_in_Indiana: I pitched mine too sherry!
06/15/05 20:58:10 Charlene_in_OK: Thank you, you guys truely are wonderfully generous ;)
06/15/05 20:58:13 Tony__IL: Charlene, if possible use a NOID for practicce
06/15/05 20:58:52 Jana_in_Indiana: sorry, gotta go, g'nite!
06/15/05 20:58:53 Cheryl-TX: pitched what jana?
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06/15/05 20:59:00 sherry__(Mo): You'll get it Charlene!
06/15/05 20:59:03 Tony__IL: If not, then you can take off the leaves and have a long neck to practice potting. LOL
06/15/05 20:59:04 Charlene_in_OK: I have plenty of those leaves down right now Tony
06/15/05 20:59:34 sherry__(Mo): I think we all lose leaves at times, so don't get discouraged
06/15/05 21:00:10 sunshine: that is funny.  I have heard several people they have a problem with eleanors but I have never had a problem at all.  perhaps there is something in the soil mixture that eleanor's just doesnt like.
06/15/05 21:00:23 sunshine: but you know my story, what works for me may not work for you.
06/15/05 21:00:32 Clare_KS: how is Eleanor's different from Superthrive?
06/15/05 21:00:39 Cheryl-TX: actually the best way to get a plant is by leaf, then you know that they are disease free, and they grow to your conditions
06/15/05 21:00:59 sherry__(Mo): Superthrive has trace elements-I use it with a fertilizer
06/15/05 21:01:15 sunshine: It is an actual fertilizer,  I think superthrive is an additive.  I don't know.  Now you se,  I have nevr had good results with it at all.
06/15/05 21:01:46 sherry__(Mo): I just use one or two drops to a gallon of water
06/15/05 21:02:04 sherry__(Mo): Plus my fertilizer
06/15/05 21:02:16 Peggy_in_Pa: If I had any better luck wioth growing babies I would have to move my family out of the house. I do loose some leaves but I think it's the condition of the leaf that is the problem
06/15/05 21:02:17 Cheryl-TX: i use 10 drops of superthrive and a gallon of water for all of mine, it helps the stress
06/15/05 21:02:23 sherry__(Mo): BRB
06/15/05 21:02:28 sunshine: leanors is a fertilizer with al lot of trace elements,,  and some of us use it and wouldn't use anything else.  While others have problems.  I know if you use magic grow soil, it has fertilizer in it and that could cause a problem because eleanors must be
06/15/05 21:02:40 sunshine: used alone.  If you have evr had a problem with it, do not use it.
06/15/05 21:02:59 Clare_KS: Peggy, tell your secrets
06/15/05 21:03:03 Charlene_in_OK: Cheryl is that each time you water or what?
06/15/05 21:03:09 Charlene_in_OK: the 10 drops
06/15/05 21:03:12 sunshine: Actually, years and years ago we used ooey gooey fish emulsion that smelled just terrible,  but it worked miracles.
06/15/05 21:03:26 Clare_KS: oh, I remember that, Amy!!
06/15/05 21:03:30 Cheryl-TX: yes 10 drops about 1/4 tsp
06/15/05 21:03:33 Clare_KS: The house stunk on watering day
06/15/05 21:03:43 Peggy_in_Pa: Clare I don't have any secrets
06/15/05 21:03:46 sunshine: that is for sure.
06/15/05 21:03:57 sunshine: And we weren't stingy with it either.
06/15/05 21:04:05 Charlene_in_OK: With each watering Cheryl
06/15/05 21:04:07 Cheryl-TX: if you have a strep leaf and it has gone limp, like a rag, it will bring back the turgor pressure
06/15/05 21:04:35 Cheryl-TX: with in 24 hours it will be as stiff as a board
06/15/05 21:05:15 Cheryl-TX: so i am making the assumption that it does the  same with violet leaves, but there is more structure to violet leaves
06/15/05 21:05:23 sunshine: but I also water with tea, and egg shell water,  in fact most of the garbage ended up in a tea that violets just loved.  LOL.
06/15/05 21:05:40 sunshine: I used to water with that stuff,  I don't now.
06/15/05 21:06:03 Clare_KS: those were the days, Amy...my "Mother Earth" phase :)
06/15/05 21:06:10 sunshine: It was easier to raise african violets 55 years ago,  we didn't know as much then as we dow now.
06/15/05 21:06:31 Cheryl-TX: well  you could not do that if you were wick watering you would end up with stinky water, i cant use fish emulsion and wicks
06/15/05 21:06:46 sherry__(Mo): :o
06/15/05 21:06:56 sunshine: but then we used to throw the dishwater on the rose bushes to kill the bugs.  no dirty dishwater any more.
06/15/05 21:07:04 Cheryl-TX: Clare were you a "Hippy"?
06/15/05 21:07:10 sunshine: lots of bugs on roses, I guess.
06/15/05 21:07:20 Clare_KS: Cheryl, sort of, but more conservative.
06/15/05 21:07:35 Cheryl-TX: a republican hippy
06/15/05 21:07:44 Clare_KS: but I was way into all that organic gardening, everything from scratch thing
06/15/05 21:08:04 Clare_KS: no additives, my kids never once had Kool Aid
06/15/05 21:08:08 sunshine: my son is still a hippy.
06/15/05 21:08:15 Clare_KS: my boss is a hippy.
06/15/05 21:08:20 Clare_KS: Not fun.
06/15/05 21:08:33 sunshine: well, believe it or not, I have to be vry careful of additives.  I don't know,  my son is fun.
06/15/05 21:08:38 sunshine: we get along really well.
06/15/05 21:09:10 Cheryl-TX: Peggy how do you start your leaves
06/15/05 21:09:21 Clare_KS: I gardened with the Ruth Stout method.
06/15/05 21:09:26 Clare_KS: I still do a lot of that.
06/15/05 21:09:33 Tony__IL: Amy, did you use the water method for growing the leaves I sent to you last year?
06/15/05 21:09:39 sunshine: I used the Amy method.  LOL
06/15/05 21:10:02 sunshine: Yes, tony I did about half and half,  and did much better with water raised.
06/15/05 21:10:26 Tony__IL: glad it worked for you
06/15/05 21:10:47 Peggy_in_Pa: In 1 half Miracale Gro and 1 half Perlite. Have very good luck
06/15/05 21:11:01 Tony__IL: Clare, what is the Ruth Stout method?
06/15/05 21:11:01 Charlene_in_OK: OT  No one answered me about if there is a difference between blood meal and bone meal?
06/15/05 21:11:21 sunshine: but I am learning, and think I am getting on to raising in mix,  the answer is lots of water.  Here in Arizona, we have such low humidity.  For my plants I use 1/3 vermic, 1/3 perlite, and 1/3 MGMC.
06/15/05 21:11:30 Charlene_in_OK: Peggy, the miracle grow potting soil I got had unbelievable amount of fungas gnats in it
06/15/05 21:11:43 Clare_KS: Tony, you mulch all kitchen garbage (except fat) in the rows, covered with layers of newspapers. No weeding.
06/15/05 21:11:57 Cheryl-TX: I have a problem Peggy when i use mix, i cant gaurentee it like i can with prelite and vermic
06/15/05 21:11:57 sunshine: plus a some of the unmentionable, some guano (from Texas,  they grow the best guano there), and kelp meal.
06/15/05 21:12:02 Tony__IL: blood meal is from blood and bone is from bone but don't know the X-X-X numbers
06/15/05 21:12:06 sunshine: oh yes and charcoal.
06/15/05 21:12:58 Charlene_in_OK: Thanks Tony, I bought blood meal for Pat Hancocks mix and it called for bone meal
06/15/05 21:12:58 Cheryl-TX: Shellie you have not shared which method you use
06/15/05 21:13:09 Tony__IL: charcoal probably to keep the smell down. LOL
06/15/05 21:13:39 sunshine: I have to remember not to fertilize any for the first month or two.  to keep the soil sweet, tony.
06/15/05 21:13:41 Shellie_CA: I use perlite/vermiculite mix with a little charcoal to root leaves
06/15/05 21:13:51 Tony__IL: Charlene, check the X-X-X and see what the difference is
06/15/05 21:14:04 Charlene_in_OK: ok tony
06/15/05 21:14:13 Cheryl-TX: how much water do you use shellie?
06/15/05 21:14:16 sunshine: Also dolomite some times.
06/15/05 21:14:23 Peggy_in_Pa: Mine works for me but that might not work for you
06/15/05 21:14:49 sunshine: I think climate has a lot to do with what works for whom.
06/15/05 21:15:01 Shellie_CA: I wet the mix and then let it drain for 5-10 min. then plant the leaves and put them in a dome.
06/15/05 21:15:33 sunshine: dern stuff even dries out in a dome or a greenhouse.
06/15/05 21:15:41 Charlene_in_OK: Cheryl, I have some questions on Streps I would like to ask you, could I get your email addie?
06/15/05 21:15:44 Shellie_CA: if the leaves are not old  then I usually have mouse ears in 2 months
06/15/05 21:16:01 Charlene_in_OK: Shellie do you have to add water,
06/15/05 21:16:09 sunshine: I think it depends on the time of year too,  always get babies more quickly inthe summer.
06/15/05 21:16:27 Peggy_in_Pa: Yes I think the heat helps
06/15/05 21:16:29 Shellie_CA: yes, when they are dry to the touch
06/15/05 21:16:30 Cheryl-TX: I but down some leaves on May 16 and got some babies last week
06/15/05 21:16:39 Cheryl-TX: it only took a month
06/15/05 21:16:51 sunshine: and how did you put them down, Cheryl?
06/15/05 21:16:59 sunshine: sorry I missed that.
06/15/05 21:17:02 Charlene_in_OK: Wow, maybe I need to go in and be a labor coach to mine you think?
06/15/05 21:17:17 Cheryl-TX: perlite vermic superthive and lots of water
06/15/05 21:17:32 Charlene_in_OK: I'm tryin Cheryls LOL
06/15/05 21:17:33 sunshine: okay,  basic same or similar.
06/15/05 21:17:45 Charlene_in_OK: You dome them too Cheryl?
06/15/05 21:18:08 Cheryl-TX: no, but i had about an inch of water in the tray
06/15/05 21:18:32 sunshine: If you use lots of water, I don't dome them.  an inch of water in the tray.  You have discovered the same thing I have, cheryl.
06/15/05 21:18:56 Charlene_in_OK: So do you have them each in their own cup?
06/15/05 21:19:03 Charlene_in_OK: In the tray of water
06/15/05 21:19:09 Cheryl-TX: i do dome sometimes, but this time i didnt and had them on the top shelf and on the lights from the lower shelf
06/15/05 21:19:23 sunshine: that is what I do.
06/15/05 21:19:43 Charlene_in_OK: The lights are important??????
06/15/05 21:20:26 Charlene_in_OK: I know that sounds stupid
06/15/05 21:20:31 sherry__(Mo): I don't think they are at first
06/15/05 21:20:33 Peggy_in_Pa: Don't need lights to root
06/15/05 21:20:40 Cheryl-TX: yes, becasue that works best for me, when the root ball forms it is hooked in with a bunch of prelite and vermic and and the root hairs dont get damaged in the transplanting
06/15/05 21:21:09 Charlene_in_OK: got cha Cheryl
06/15/05 21:21:43 Cheryl-TX: no mine are not under light Charlene, they are on the top shelf where it is warmer and have the lights on the bottom for more warmth
06/15/05 21:22:00 Charlene_in_OK: Oh okay, I see
06/15/05 21:22:05 Peggy_in_Pa: Yes Cheryl me too
06/15/05 21:22:15 Charlene_in_OK: When do you move them to lights or do you?
06/15/05 21:22:50 Cheryl-TX: you must damage the leaf a bit by cutting off the top or the growth will go into the leaf and not the babies
06/15/05 21:23:05 Clare_KS: Would they do better with steady bottom heat, like a heating pad on lo, instead of warm during the day, cool at night?
06/15/05 21:23:10 Cheryl-TX: After i transplant them
06/15/05 21:23:36 Charlene_in_OK: So the babies don't need light until transplanting Cheryl?
06/15/05 21:23:37 Cheryl-TX: I dont know Clare, that would be an intersting experiment
06/15/05 21:23:55 Peggy_in_Pa: I try to put them under light after the babies show
06/15/05 21:24:00 Tony__IL: Amy, might have to send you a list of the plants I lost when my sight went bad. Think I had a duplicate invenory with you LOL
06/15/05 21:24:15 Charlene_in_OK: OKay so the heat is real important too, OMG  I will never learn LOL
06/15/05 21:24:17 sunshine: From what I learned in school, light is not essential for root formation.
06/15/05 21:24:19 Cheryl-TX: me too Peggy, but i wait until they are showing well
06/15/05 21:24:23 sunshine: the heat is more important.
06/15/05 21:24:26 sherry__(Mo): Same here Peggy-that is if I don't already have them under lights-depends if I've got room!
06/15/05 21:24:50 Peggy_in_Pa: Space is the big problem
06/15/05 21:24:54 sunshine: the roots are underground in the dark.
06/15/05 21:25:06 sunshine: that can be a big thing, Peggy.
06/15/05 21:25:29 Cheryl-TX: i might set that up this weekend clare, i have to be gromming a lot of plant for the fall show and will have a lot of leaves, that is if i can give up my heating pad
06/15/05 21:25:39 Cheryl-TX: do you think it should be on low
06/15/05 21:25:53 Clare_KS: yes, low
06/15/05 21:26:08 Clare_KS: just gentle bottom heat...that's what I used when raising baby birds.
06/15/05 21:26:33 Clare_KS: I used to have 5-6 heating pads, wonder what I did with them...????
06/15/05 21:26:35 sunshine: and in the greenhouses, when they plant seeds, or root ground cover, they always use bottom heat,  gentle bottom heat.
06/15/05 21:26:45 Charlene_in_OK: Any spare leaves Cheryl, let me know  :D
06/15/05 21:26:46 Cheryl-TX: well i guess i will need two trays one on heating pad and the other not......... this is really a good idea clare
06/15/05 21:27:00 Clare_KS: I think I'll try it, too.
06/15/05 21:27:30 Cheryl-TX: yes i will have spares, send me your address, anyone else want leaves
06/15/05 21:27:37 Peggy_in_Pa: Do you leave the heating pads on 24 hrs
06/15/05 21:27:45 Cheryl-TX: OH how i love to experiment
06/15/05 21:27:50 sunshine: we did in the greenhouse.
06/15/05 21:27:57 Clare_KS: Cheryl, your email?
06/15/05 21:28:03 Cheryl-TX: i dont know peggy never done it before
06/15/05 21:28:04 sunshine: 24 house until the seeds sprouted.
06/15/05 21:28:12 sunshine: and had two dicotyledons.
06/15/05 21:28:14 Tony__IL: save me some Cheryl
06/15/05 21:28:17 Cheryl-TX: ok 24 hours on low
06/15/05 21:28:26 Cheryl-TX: tomy do you have a heating pad
06/15/05 21:28:48 Tony__IL: yes
06/15/05 21:29:20 Cheryl-TX: can you live without it until babies sprout or until you kill them?
06/15/05 21:29:25 Carol_SK: sorry that was my sister on the phone
06/15/05 21:29:26 Tony__IL: might ry it as an experiment on 1/2 the tray
06/15/05 21:29:44 Cheryl-TX: ok that is a good idea
06/15/05 21:30:19 Cheryl-TX: so they will be in a warm water bath
06/15/05 21:30:51 Tony__IL: but my but t will be cold then LOL
06/15/05 21:30:56 Clare_KS: Cheryl, what's your email?
06/15/05 21:31:18 Cheryl-TX: carol we are going to try puttin leaves in a warm water bath
06/15/05 21:31:40 Carol_SK: before you plant them?
06/15/05 21:32:17 Clare_KS: Carol, to make babies
06/15/05 21:32:24 Cheryl-TX: no we are going to put them on heating pad on low and leave on for twenty-four hours
06/15/05 21:32:37 Carol_SK: just to give them a jump start?
06/15/05 21:32:49 Clare_KS: see if they make babies faster.
06/15/05 21:32:51 Cheryl-TX: we want to see if heat makes a difference and if so how much
06/15/05 21:32:57 Carol_SK: oh, like an experiment
06/15/05 21:33:04 Carol_SK: good plan
06/15/05 21:33:06 Cheryl-TX: yes like an experiment
06/15/05 21:33:29 Charlene_in_OK: Here is another, does anyone use sugar water to start leaves?
06/15/05 21:33:29 Cheryl-TX: if you have a heating pad you can spare for a while you might want to try
06/15/05 21:33:50 sherry__(Mo): I have but I don't any more Charlene
06/15/05 21:34:00 Charlene_in_OK: Why Sherry?
06/15/05 21:34:00 Carol_SK: I have used the heating pad to start my seedlings
06/15/05 21:34:05 Cheryl-TX: i dont use to start , but to restore if they are wilted before i plant
06/15/05 21:34:15 sherry__(Mo): Just didn't see any difference
06/15/05 21:34:19 Peggy_in_Pa: Have to say good nite. I'm beat , been runing all day
06/15/05 21:34:26 Clare_KS: Night, Peggy
06/15/05 21:34:28 Peggy_in_Pa Logs Out
06/15/05 21:34:31 Tony__IL: nite Peggy
06/15/05 21:34:33 sherry__(Mo): Take care Peggy
06/15/05 21:34:40 Tony__IL: poof
06/15/05 21:34:51 Charlene_in_OK: I saw a site that showed several different ways to start leaves and the one with sugar water was a huge difference
06/15/05 21:35:02 Tony__IL: or poff not   sure which\
06/15/05 21:35:31 Clare_KS: Charlene, how much sugar to water?
06/15/05 21:35:37 Tony__IL: brb
06/15/05 21:35:45 Charlene_in_OK: She did an experiment with sugar water, rain water, plain water, av soil, peat, etc. and it looked to me like the sugar waterhad tons more babies in the same time.
06/15/05 21:36:10 Charlene_in_OK: It seems like she used 1/4 tsp per gallon, but I will recheck.
06/15/05 21:36:17 Carol_SK: so she started them just in the sugar water, with no mix?
06/15/05 21:36:22 Cheryl-TX: i read once and can't remember where or when, that if a cutting is left out of the medium for a while , it produces growth hormones, becasue the plant gets a signal that it need to make a new one
06/15/05 21:36:29 Cheryl-TX: anyone ever heard that
06/15/05 21:36:49 Charlene_in_OK: Yes, I am going to go look for the link to give you guys, it is a great site.
06/15/05 21:36:52 sherry__(Mo): No-but makes sense
06/15/05 21:37:20 Charlene_in_OK: BRB
06/15/05 21:37:24 Carol_SK: maybe that is one of the reasons some people get babies so fast
06/15/05 21:37:36 Charlene_in_OK Logs Out
06/15/05 21:37:51 Charlene_in_OK Logs in [68.12.244.136]
06/15/05 21:38:18 Charlene_in_OK: Here ya go, I'm not sure who this is but she has some great experiments on here/// http://community.webshots.com/album/89405590JlaciY
06/15/05 21:38:40 Clare_KS: Thanks, Charlene
06/15/05 21:38:56 sherry__(Mo): Thanks-will check it out later!
06/15/05 21:39:03 Clare_KS: I'm setting up a bunch of experiments tomorrow :)
06/15/05 21:39:26 Charlene_in_OK: Oh boy, take lots of pictures Clare
06/15/05 21:39:51 Clare_KS: Ok, I will :)
06/15/05 21:39:56 Charlene_in_OK: I'm still waiting for my darn trays, can't do much more til they come
06/15/05 21:40:02 Carol_SK: well, I think I will run, sorry I haven't been much of a chatter, but I am pretty wiped... nite all
06/15/05 21:40:19 Charlene_in_OK: g nite Carol\
06/15/05 21:40:22 Clare_KS: Night, Carol
06/15/05 21:40:32 Carol_SK: take care all
06/15/05 21:40:35 Carol_SK Logs Out
06/15/05 21:40:52 sherry__(Mo): Darn-as usual I wasn't fast enough
06/15/05 21:42:00 Cheryl-TX: clare my email is ritabelew@yahoo.com
06/15/05 21:42:06 Clare_KS: Well, I think my brain is going to explode...so I'm going to bed :)
06/15/05 21:42:19 sherry__(Mo): Take care Clare!
06/15/05 21:42:19 Shellie_CA: good nite Clare
06/15/05 21:42:25 Clare_KS: Who is Rita?
06/15/05 21:42:28 Cheryl-TX: if any one is interested in extra leaves give me an email with address
06/15/05 21:42:38 Charlene_in_OK: Ritabelew, you are the one who owns that site aren't you Cheryl
06/15/05 21:42:39 sunshine: I have to talk with my daughter on the line.  so will leave too for now.
06/15/05 21:42:53 sherry__(Mo): Night Amy
06/15/05 21:42:57 Cheryl-TX: tony do want some extra leaves i sent  you a copy of my inventory any thing special
06/15/05 21:42:57 Charlene_in_OK: nite
06/15/05 21:43:00 Charlene_in_OK: am
06/15/05 21:43:02 Charlene_in_OK: y
06/15/05 21:43:04 Shellie_CA: good nite all
06/15/05 21:43:06 sunshine Logs Out
06/15/05 21:43:11 Shellie_CA Logs Out
06/15/05 21:43:15 Clare_KS Logs Out
06/15/05 21:43:39 Charlene_in_OK: Cheryl, is that your site I just gave the addie to?
06/15/05 21:43:58 Cheryl-TX: it was like somebody passed gas, all of a sudden every one left
06/15/05 21:44:09 Charlene_in_OK: Really LOL
06/15/05 21:44:19 Cheryl-TX: what do you mean charlene
06/15/05 21:44:29 Charlene_in_OK: Is this your site http://community.webshots.com/album/89405590JlaciY
06/15/05 21:44:55 Charlene_in_OK: for some reason I was thinking that was the name of the site ritabelew
06/15/05 21:45:46 Cheryl-TX: yes those are my webshots
06/15/05 21:45:51 Tony__IL Disconnects
06/15/05 21:46:14 Charlene_in_OK: Wow, I did not realize that, I was so impressed with all your experiment
06/15/05 21:46:33 Charlene_in_OK: What an absolutely wonderful site
06/15/05 21:46:47 sherry__(Mo): I wish Cheryl lived closer to me!
06/15/05 21:46:52 Charlene_in_OK: ME TOO
06/15/05 21:46:53 Cheryl-TX: we use to do a lot of experimenting, right sherry
06/15/05 21:47:20 Charlene_in_OK: I wish anybody lived closer to me boo hoo :<
06/15/05 21:47:29 Cheryl-TX: i met you at the casino next time i go charlene
06/15/05 21:47:37 sherry__(Mo): I will again-as soon as wI get the kids moved!
06/15/05 21:48:00 Charlene_in_OK: LOL
06/15/05 21:48:11 Charlene_in_OK: so why is it ritabelew?
06/15/05 21:48:21 Cheryl-TX: sherry i am having such a good time with my new grand baby
06/15/05 21:48:24 Jana_in_Indiana Logs in [172.151.253.50]
06/15/05 21:48:26 Charlene_in_OK: that was for Cheryl
06/15/05 21:48:32 sherry__(Mo): Hi Jana!!
06/15/05 21:48:34 Cheryl-TX: welcome back jana
06/15/05 21:48:40 Charlene_in_OK: welcome back Jana
06/15/05 21:48:43 Jana_in_Indiana: hi Charlene, Cheryl & Sherry!
06/15/05 21:48:47 Cheryl-TX: we are going to do a wonderful experiment
06/15/05 21:48:57 sherry__(Mo): Aren't they great Cheryl?
06/15/05 21:49:09 Jana_in_Indiana: sorry for leaving quickly, my sister in law called, it's all getting to her
06/15/05 21:49:23 Jana_in_Indiana: great!  I want to play too please?  Can I?????
06/15/05 21:49:24 Cheryl-TX: how is she doing
06/15/05 21:49:28 sherry__(Mo): My Brittney turned 6 last week Cheryl
06/15/05 21:49:47 Jana_in_Indiana: guess biopsy will be tomorrow, not sure if liver or stomach or both
06/15/05 21:49:48 Cheryl-TX: yes but you must have a heating pad
06/15/05 21:49:50 sherry__(Mo): What's getting to her Jana, or is it ok to ask?
06/15/05 21:49:59 sherry__(Mo): Darn!
06/15/05 21:50:16 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, I have SEVERAL heating pads & also the ones for seed trays!  I'm over qualified!
06/15/05 21:50:22 Cheryl-TX: that is terrible, but lets not borrow trouble, maybe it will be just fine
06/15/05 21:50:40 Jana_in_Indiana: all the masses they found around her liver & stomach on CAT scan
06/15/05 21:51:06 Charlene_in_OK: What is her name Jana, for prayer?
06/15/05 21:51:15 Cheryl-TX: ok then you can play   lol
06/15/05 21:51:15 Jana_in_Indiana: they were looking for arterial blockage to the legs & found them!
06/15/05 21:51:20 Jana_in_Indiana: Debbie
06/15/05 21:51:26 sherry__(Mo): How old is she?
06/15/05 21:51:28 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks Charlene!
06/15/05 21:51:32 Jana_in_Indiana: 45
06/15/05 21:51:37 Charlene_in_OK: She will be added to my list ;)
06/15/05 21:51:41 sherry__(Mo): Darn again
06/15/05 21:51:44 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks!
06/15/05 21:51:53 Cheryl-TX: our list are sure getting long
06/15/05 21:51:58 Jana_in_Indiana: OK, Cheryl, tell me how to play?
06/15/05 21:52:09 Jana_in_Indiana: or should I wait & read the chat log?
06/15/05 21:52:35 sherry__(Mo): Give me a week to try to find the heating pad Cheryl- lol
06/15/05 21:53:21 Jana_in_Indiana: do I use a people heating pad or the seedling heat mats?
06/15/05 21:53:30 Cheryl-TX: we are going to set the leaf tray on a heating pad and one tray not on a tray and see if the heat makes a difference
06/15/05 21:53:51 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL, too much heat will kill them
06/15/05 21:54:05 sherry__(Mo): I don't have a seed heating pad
06/15/05 21:54:23 Jana_in_Indiana: is it ok to put newspapers between the pad & the pots?
06/15/05 21:54:36 Cheryl-TX: well i am going to set mine on low
06/15/05 21:54:37 Jana_in_Indiana: are we recording the soil temps?
06/15/05 21:54:56 Cheryl-TX: if it kills them we will know that too much heat will kill them
06/15/05 21:55:00 Cheryl-TX: lol
06/15/05 21:55:14 Charlene_in_OK: *)
06/15/05 21:55:46 Cheryl-TX: i guess we could
06/15/05 21:55:53 Jana_in_Indiana: I've used a people heating pad on tomato seeds, set on low, all died, so did another tray w/ newspapers between the pots & pad, worked much better
06/15/05 21:55:59 sherry__(Mo): I know I have trouble starting leaves in the summer because my house gets too hot-we have to get a bigger unit, but that will be after we get everything else done
06/15/05 21:56:13 sherry__(Mo): I'll use your newspaper idea Jana
06/15/05 21:56:17 Jana_in_Indiana: also, isn't the same effect achieved by placing on shelf, above lights?
06/15/05 21:56:42 Charlene_in_OK: One day I will  have enough leaves to play with the big girls LOL
06/15/05 21:56:46 Cheryl-TX: that is what i do now
06/15/05 21:56:50 Jana_in_Indiana: I checked the soil temp with my instant read cooking thermometer, tried to keep it at 80 for tomato seeds
06/15/05 21:57:14 sherry__(Mo): You'll get there Charlene!
06/15/05 21:57:28 Cheryl-TX: but if i have one tray on and one off right next to one another on a shelf then i can see the difference
06/15/05 21:57:30 Charlene_in_OK: ;)
06/15/05 21:58:09 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, how many leaves do you want us to use?  And what do we do if we don't kill them?  Like I need more babies now????
06/15/05 21:58:19 Charlene_in_OK: Cheryl you never answered about who Ritabelew is?
06/15/05 21:58:28 Charlene_in_OK: I'll take any babies that make it LOL
06/15/05 21:58:32 Cheryl-TX: well i  have to go, but want to tell sherry that i have more trailers than just about anything eles
06/15/05 21:58:45 sherry__(Mo): I don't know how my first bunch of leaves ever made it!! I worried over them like an ol' momma hen
06/15/05 21:58:47 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Cheryl!
06/15/05 21:58:50 Cheryl-TX: i think it is becasue they make babies so fast
06/15/05 21:58:50 Charlene_in_OK: gnite Cheryl
06/15/05 21:58:54 sherry__(Mo): Great Cheryl!!
06/15/05 21:59:16 Cheryl-TX: on night ladies
06/15/05 21:59:21 Cheryl-TX: it has been fun
06/15/05 21:59:28 Jana_in_Indiana: always is!
06/15/05 21:59:30 Charlene_in_OK: great fun
06/15/05 21:59:57 Charlene_in_OK: Jana, where is Carol_SK from?
06/15/05 22:00:17 Jana_in_Indiana: Sasketcxhewan (SP?) Canada
06/15/05 22:00:32 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, the 'X' was a typo!  LOL!
06/15/05 22:00:33 Charlene_in_OK: Ok, I have been trying to figure that out
06/15/05 22:00:45 Charlene_in_OK: I wouldn't have know
06/15/05 22:00:48 Charlene_in_OK: known
06/15/05 22:00:56 Charlene_in_OK: It's getting late.
06/15/05 22:01:01 Jana_in_Indiana: Lashburn to be exact
06/15/05 22:01:09 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL!
06/15/05 22:01:09 Charlene_in_OK: I got my first box today Jana
06/15/05 22:01:17 Charlene_in_OK: of supplies
06/15/05 22:01:20 Charlene_in_OK: Thanks so much
06/15/05 22:01:32 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, saw your e-mail, & I did reply, should get the 2nd one tomorrow
06/15/05 22:01:43 Jana_in_Indiana: who was having trouble finding Superthrive?
06/15/05 22:01:50 Charlene_in_OK: I hope John Cooks trays come sooooooon
06/15/05 22:02:01 Jana_in_Indiana: did you phone in your order?
06/15/05 22:02:05 Charlene_in_OK: I think it was Barb in KS
06/15/05 22:02:11 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks!
06/15/05 22:02:23 Charlene_in_OK: I emailed it, than talked to JOhn on the phone,
06/15/05 22:02:34 Jana_in_Indiana: I can mail superthrive & almost anything else to anyone that needs it
06/15/05 22:02:49 Charlene_in_OK: received the test kit Mon. but nothing else yet
06/15/05 22:02:53 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, might give him another call, ask when it was shipped
06/15/05 22:02:56 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
06/15/05 22:03:46 Jana_in_Indiana: Sherry, have any of the leaves I sent survived?
06/15/05 22:04:06 Charlene_in_OK: I must clean up the kitchen, you guys have a great night and talk to you soon.
06/15/05 22:04:18 Jana_in_Indiana: Charlene, one thing I never do that lots of people say to do is
06/15/05 22:04:39 Charlene_in_OK: issssssss
06/15/05 22:04:42 Jana_in_Indiana: never tug on the leaf to see if it's rooted, breaks off the tiny roots, like fine hairs
06/15/05 22:05:01 Jana_in_Indiana: daily tugging can prevent rooting!
06/15/05 22:05:09 Charlene_in_OK: Me either, I just look all the time for little ears to be peeking out
06/15/05 22:05:26 Jana_in_Indiana: as long as they are firm & look good, just assume they ARE rooted!
06/15/05 22:05:30 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, g'nite!
06/15/05 22:05:38 Charlene_in_OK: nite ladies
06/15/05 22:05:43 Charlene_in_OK Logs Out
06/15/05 22:05:51 Jana_in_Indiana: Sherry, you still here?
06/15/05 22:06:51 Jana_in_Indiana Logs Out
06/15/05 22:07:59 sherry__(Mo) Disconnects