07/17/05 19:37:48 Dogmom Logs in [12.208.121.22]
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07/17/05 19:51:27 Tony__IL Logs in [207.43.75.34]
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07/17/05 19:57:40 Tony__IL: hi Carol
07/17/05 19:57:48 Carol_SK: Hi Tony
07/17/05 19:57:54 Carol_SK: How ar ya doing?
07/17/05 19:58:00 Tony__IL: send me some cool air. LOL
07/17/05 19:58:08 Tony__IL: 95 here today
07/17/05 19:58:20 Carol_SK: that warm eh? WOWZERS!
07/17/05 19:58:41 Tony__IL: what is you high temp for the simmer?
07/17/05 19:58:48 Tony__IL: summer
07/17/05 19:59:24 Carol_SK: today it was 70
07/17/05 19:59:44 Tony__IL: I could be so lucky if the low is 70 today
07/17/05 20:00:20 Tony__IL: hey,thery had someone selling leaves on eBay from Canada
07/17/05 20:01:04 Carol_SK: our warmest this year was around 87 or so
07/17/05 20:01:18 Carol_SK: really , who was that?
07/17/05 20:01:23 Carol_SK: or do we know
07/17/05 20:02:04 Tony__IL: not sure, but check eBay and she was selling AV leaves in lots of 10 or 20 at a time
07/17/05 20:02:46 Carol_SK: I don't really know how to go about buying on ebay so perhaps I should not tempt myself
07/17/05 20:02:53 Carol_SK: laffin
07/17/05 20:03:27 Brenda_Al Logs in [12.217.40.181]
07/17/05 20:03:41 Brenda_Al: hello
07/17/05 20:03:51 Carol_SK: Hi Brenda\
07/17/05 20:05:08 Tony__IL: hi Brenda
07/17/05 20:05:36 Tom_in_WI Logs in [24.208.8.222]
07/17/05 20:05:43 Tony__IL: hi Tom
07/17/05 20:05:47 Carol_SK: Hi Tom
07/17/05 20:05:52 Tom_in_WI: Hi!
07/17/05 20:05:58 Brenda_Al: hey
07/17/05 20:06:15 Tony__IL: get hybridizing questions answered last week, Tom
07/17/05 20:06:39 Carol_SK: oh Tony the lady is Nancy from Montreal
07/17/05 20:06:52 Tom_in_WI: I'm not sure.  Seems like one question leads to another!
07/17/05 20:06:55 Tony__IL: OK
07/17/05 20:07:10 Tony__IL: got that right Tom
07/17/05 20:07:41 Tony__IL: I'm sure she would answer any questions you may have T
07/17/05 20:08:34 Tony__IL: also Jeff Smith has some in the files section on dominant and recessive
07/17/05 20:08:51 Tom_in_WI: I find that interesting that you can get so many different plants from one crossing.
07/17/05 20:09:28 Tony__IL: lots of different genes involved
07/17/05 20:10:03 Tom_in_WI: Just how many shelves do you think you would need???
07/17/05 20:10:35 Tony__IL: didn't she say she had 100+ plants from 1 seed pod?
07/17/05 20:11:00 Tom_in_WI: Something like that!
07/17/05 20:11:17 Tony__IL: probably 1 shelf
07/17/05 20:12:10 Tony__IL: 32 3"Olo cups/tray and 4 trays/shelf
07/17/05 20:12:16 Tony__IL: Solo cups
07/17/05 20:12:17 Tom_in_WI: So over a year of cross breeding and growing the plants out for three years. . . I think I'd need to build a shed!
07/17/05 20:12:25 Tony__IL: LOL
07/17/05 20:13:16 Tony__IL: Well if she wanted variegated only, se could toss out a bunch really quick
07/17/05 20:13:46 Tom_in_WI: But it takes awhile to see if they are variegated.
07/17/05 20:14:10 Tony__IL: right, probably a couple months
07/17/05 20:14:23 Tony__IL: you wouldn't have to grow them to bloom
07/17/05 20:14:48 Tom_in_WI: I'm afraid I"d HAVE to.!
07/17/05 20:15:05 Tony__IL: if I am gone, it's because I got an eBay bid and am checking that
07/17/05 20:15:25 Tom_in_WI: What are you bidding on?
07/17/05 20:15:47 Tony__IL: a leaf pot of Ajohn's
07/17/05 20:16:09 Tony__IL: don't bid against me, I'll send you one later. LOL
07/17/05 20:16:42 Tom_in_WI: No but I might "watch"!
07/17/05 20:17:01 Tom_in_WI: And cheer you on!
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07/17/05 20:24:28 Tony__IL: hi again T
07/17/05 20:24:55 Tony__IL: Brenda, yoou're pretty quiet
07/17/05 20:24:57 Tom_in_WI: Too many buttons and I pushed the wrong one!
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07/17/05 20:25:32 Brenda_Al: jusy hoping to learn anything
07/17/05 20:25:51 Tom_in_WI Logs in [24.208.8.222]
07/17/05 20:27:44 Tom_in_WI: Tony and Brenda, have either of you tried hybridizing?
07/17/05 20:28:21 Brenda_Al: I haven't got passed noids yet lol
07/17/05 20:28:41 Tony__IL: not yet, but probably should. Have enought plants to select from LOL
07/17/05 20:28:49 Tom_in_WI: What's holding you back?
07/17/05 20:28:56 Tony__IL: time
07/17/05 20:29:04 Brenda_Al: thats why I hoping to learn anything
07/17/05 20:29:31 Tony__IL: gotta start someplace and we all start with the NOIDS LOL
07/17/05 20:29:32 Brenda_Al: so yall just talk wawy and I'll listen
07/17/05 20:29:42 Tom_in_WI: How many plants do you have?
07/17/05 20:29:57 Tony__IL: ask away Brand a
07/17/05 20:30:22 Tony__IL: about 300 named ones, 450 total
07/17/05 20:30:49 Tony__IL: 4 stands
07/17/05 20:31:04 Tom_in_WI: Oh my!
07/17/05 20:31:13 Brenda_Al: nice!!
07/17/05 20:31:23 Tom_in_WI: Brenda, how many do you have?
07/17/05 20:31:36 Brenda_Al: about 20
07/17/05 20:31:37 Tony__IL: lots in bloom finally
07/17/05 20:32:10 Lorraine_Ont. Logs in [216.208.56.92]
07/17/05 20:32:28 Carolyn_in_CA Logs in [172.194.65.42]
07/17/05 20:32:44 Brenda_Al: hi ladies
07/17/05 20:32:53 Carolyn_in_CA: Hi, All
07/17/05 20:32:56 Lorraine_Ont.: hi Brenda
07/17/05 20:32:56 sherry__(Mo) Logs in [172.157.178.221]
07/17/05 20:33:07 Tony__IL: Hi Sherry
07/17/05 20:33:15 sherry__(Mo): Hi everyone!!
07/17/05 20:33:18 Brenda_Al: hello
07/17/05 20:33:24 Lorraine_Ont.: Feels a little like the Waltons....
07/17/05 20:33:28 Tony__IL: Hi Lorraine, first for you?
07/17/05 20:33:33 Lorraine_Ont.: yup
07/17/05 20:33:48 Tony__IL: Waltons??
07/17/05 20:34:05 Lorraine_Ont.: dates me, I know
07/17/05 20:34:30 sherry__(Mo): Yes "John Boy" LOL
07/17/05 20:34:30 Carolyn_in_CA: What were you guys talking about before we came?
07/17/05 20:34:37 Tony__IL: welcome to the club then
07/17/05 20:34:44 Tony__IL: nothing special
07/17/05 20:35:05 Lorraine_Ont.: Has anyone here ever tried pollinating AVs?
07/17/05 20:35:10 Tony__IL: Hi Carolyn.
07/17/05 20:35:21 Carolyn_in_CA: Hey, Tony
07/17/05 20:36:53 Tony__IL: tried it once
07/17/05 20:37:05 Lorraine_Ont.: Any luck?
07/17/05 20:37:31 Tony__IL: took OK bu had trouble sprouting seeds. Maybe too deep
07/17/05 20:37:42 sherry__(Mo): I don't have enough room or shelves right now to try it
07/17/05 20:37:56 Lorraine_Ont.: Seeds have to be on the surface .
07/17/05 20:38:14 Tony__IL: just need light, not fluorescent
07/17/05 20:38:28 Lorraine_Ont.: What i was wondering is if the flowers that are pollinated are supposed to drop off or something
07/17/05 20:38:48 Tony__IL: go to Rachel's site and sehe has the info you need
07/17/05 20:38:59 Lorraine_Ont.: oh yeah. okay
07/17/05 20:39:37 Tony__IL: see pod stays attached and after a few (3-4) months it can be removed
07/17/05 20:40:05 Tony__IL: seed are smaller than pepper.
07/17/05 20:40:33 Carolyn_in_CA: Recently one of my AV's had a polinated flower by what I don't know, and I pulled off the flower which was faded before I realized it was pollinated.  Made me wonder if there is a way people protect the flowers they want to pollintate from insects
07/17/05 20:40:38 Tony__IL: about 1/2 the size of these dots .............
07/17/05 20:41:25 Lorraine_Ont.: Carolyn, if insects pollinate flowers, that means thrips!! That's the natural pollinator
07/17/05 20:41:26 Tony__IL: take off the anthers (male parts) and cover the stamen with a baggie
07/17/05 20:42:04 Carolyn_in_CA: Good idea. Thanks Tony
07/17/05 20:42:09 Tony__IL: or is it the pistle?
07/17/05 20:42:31 sherry__(Mo): LOL-you sound dlike me Tony
07/17/05 20:42:33 Lorraine_Ont.: I didn't know they made baggies that small lol  :D
07/17/05 20:42:40 Tony__IL: long time ago Botany 101 LOL
07/17/05 20:44:15 Tony__IL: also keep a record of what you crossed. I Tagged mine with yarn so I wouldn't pull if off by mistake
07/17/05 20:44:20 Tom_in_WI: Has anyone propagated Apache Victory?
07/17/05 20:44:32 Tony__IL: don't have it
07/17/05 20:45:07 Carolyn_in_CA: BTW, dandruska760f was the Ebay seller who had nice collections of leaves.  I couldn't remember him when we talked the other night.  wgknapp was the seller with the Silverglades collections.  He had one of 36 leaves (2 of each) that went for $33.09.
07/17/05 20:45:44 Tony__IL: something special about it? T
07/17/05 20:45:47 Tom_in_WI: I've got a leaf laid down and today I spotted the babies coming.  Funny though, they brown in color.  I'm woondering if this is the way they normnal show themselve?
07/17/05 20:45:53 Tony__IL: Not a bad price
07/17/05 20:46:25 Tony__IL: how many days old?
07/17/05 20:46:28 sherry__(Mo): I've never had anything come up brown
07/17/05 20:46:50 Carolyn_in_CA: Thrips!!  Oh, no!  I'm looking now.  No thrips I can see with magnifying glass.
07/17/05 20:47:12 Tony__IL: spilled pollen it the clue Caroly n
07/17/05 20:47:13 Tom_in_WI: Tony, I just spotted them this AM.  They could have been there for a couple of days.
07/17/05 20:47:43 Tony__IL: watch them and see what happens T. Is it variegated?
07/17/05 20:48:09 Tom_in_WI: Yes, the A Victory is variegated.
07/17/05 20:48:27 Tony__IL: never had one brown either, but ............
07/17/05 20:49:10 Lorraine_Ont.: Tony, are the leaves of this type red-backed? Sometimes wee babes might have light showing thru could look brown
07/17/05 20:49:17 Tom_in_WI: Tere a whole cluster of them, all brown.  Blends in with the color of the soil!
07/17/05 20:49:32 Lorraine_Ont.: Sorry I meant Tom
07/17/05 20:49:53 Tony__IL: never had it happen, but you should now in a week or so
07/17/05 20:50:06 Tom_in_WI: They are too small for light to show through.
07/17/05 20:50:08 Carolyn_in_CA: I was also wondering if they were redback babies or maybe too much light which turned them pinkish
07/17/05 20:50:48 Carolyn_in_CA: I would just watch them daily....as long as they aren't rotting.
07/17/05 20:51:07 Tom_in_WI: I be watching!
07/17/05 20:51:11 Tony__IL: never paid too much attention to red backed babies
07/17/05 20:51:28 Carolyn_in_CA: Does that mean you don't like them
07/17/05 20:51:57 Dogmom Logs in [12.208.121.22]
07/17/05 20:52:05 Tony__IL: hi Cheryl
07/17/05 20:52:08 Carolyn_in_CA: Hi Cheryl
07/17/05 20:52:10 sherry__(Mo): Hi Cheryl
07/17/05 20:52:15 Dogmom: Hi folks
07/17/05 20:52:18 Brenda_Al: hi
07/17/05 20:52:18 Tony__IL: Ask he the brown question
07/17/05 20:52:25 Tony__IL: ask her
07/17/05 20:52:55 Dogmom: what's the "brown question" Tony?
07/17/05 20:53:01 Tom_in_WI: Cheryl, did you ever having abbies come up brown?
07/17/05 20:53:31 Dogmom: Well... brown sort of seems to be in the eye of the beholder. I've had red-backed babies
07/17/05 20:53:47 Dogmom: come up "brown", or at least they looked that way at first.
07/17/05 20:54:12 Tom_in_WI: I have Apache Victory that tioday I spotted a whole cluster of brown babies.
07/17/05 20:54:15 Dogmom: Or do you mean something else
07/17/05 20:54:37 Dogmom: how long have they been up?
07/17/05 20:54:45 Dogmom: Look at the ba ks of the leaves
07/17/05 20:55:14 Tom_in_WI: Just spotted them today.  They could have been there a couple of days.  The color blends right in with the soil.
07/17/05 20:55:32 Dogmom: Wow... that's sure brown
07/17/05 20:56:10 Dogmom: My Apache Victory is giving me weird babies too, tough... I'd say "stick with 'em", unless it looks like rot
07/17/05 20:56:32 Dogmom: (tough = "Though")
07/17/05 20:56:33 Tom_in_WI: Definitely no rot.
07/17/05 20:56:57 Tom_in_WI: What does your babies look like?
07/17/05 20:57:24 Dogmom: Mine look "tight/curly"... and sort of tan-ish
07/17/05 20:57:45 Dogmom: Maybe it's the variegation... I've noticed that a lot of variegated babies come up
07/17/05 20:57:54 Tom_in_WI: Mine are the same.
07/17/05 20:57:56 Dogmom: looking odd, but then fgure things out
07/17/05 20:59:05 Dogmom: On another note... I'm going to be getting rid of my "greenies" and concentrating on variegates.
07/17/05 20:59:21 Dogmom: (which is why I'm sponsoring both Bingo games in August)
07/17/05 20:59:41 Dogmom: If anyone wants leaves, contact me privately and I'll send a list of what will be available.
07/17/05 20:59:53 Dogmom: cvetter@insightbb.com
07/17/05 21:00:44 Carolyn_in_CA: My violets get tight centers when they are getting too much light.  Maybe bec they are new babies and variegated, the location is a little too sunny or close to fluorescent lights
07/17/05 21:02:15 Dogmom: Carolyn... you're right.... but my little oddball is geting very low light. I think it may be a varietal quirk.
07/17/05 21:02:17 Tony__IL: will do Cheryl
07/17/05 21:03:03 sherry__(Mo): are any of them trailers Cheryl? (the greenies you want to find homes for)
07/17/05 21:03:28 Dogmom: Sherry - no trailers or mini's here :-(
07/17/05 21:03:33 sherry__(Mo): thanks!
07/17/05 21:03:51 Dogmom: Between my eyesight & arthritis both are bad ideas for me LOL!
07/17/05 21:04:48 sherry__(Mo): I don't really have the room for anything else-but you know how that goes!! We always are trying to make more room for the ones we want-LOL
07/17/05 21:04:50 Lorraine_Ont.: everyone scurries off to email Cheryl lol
07/17/05 21:04:56 Carolyn_in_CA: Since you're with them, you are in the best position to judge what could be happening.  Maybe judge a quirk of the variety.  They'll probably look more normal when they get bigger.  As long as they don't rot, that's the main thing.
07/17/05 21:05:47 Tony__IL: I'd go with that Carolyn
07/17/05 21:06:07 Dogmom: you're right on again, Carolyn... gotta give 'em time
07/17/05 21:06:29 Dogmom: Sadly, patience is not one of my greatest virtues LOL!
07/17/05 21:06:56 sherry__(Mo): But AV's teach us patience!! Darn it!
07/17/05 21:07:10 Dogmom: Tony - how long a drive between where you are in IL to Lafayette, IN? Any idea?
07/17/05 21:08:53 Tony__IL: 235.4 miles - 4 hrs 19 minutes according to yahoo
07/17/05 21:09:48 Dogmom: They just raised speed limits to 75 mph here LOL! - Maybe hubby can meet you half way with a leaf bouquet one of these weekends... sure beats mailing.
07/17/05 21:10:20 Tony__IL: gas is higher that the $4.35 postage. LOL
07/17/05 21:10:40 Tony__IL: $2.35 a gallon here for regular
07/17/05 21:10:53 Dogmom: Anyway... off to bed - we have to be up at 4:00 a.m. (hubby has an early commute)... but tony I'll get you my list.
07/17/05 21:10:58 Dogmom: Night all :-)
07/17/05 21:11:16 Brenda_Al: nite
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07/17/05 21:11:18 Tony__IL: night Cheryl
07/17/05 21:11:30 Tony__IL: darn missed that one
07/17/05 21:11:32 Lorraine_Ont.: night everyone
07/17/05 21:11:41 Brenda_Al: nite
07/17/05 21:11:47 Tony__IL: nite
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07/17/05 21:13:51 Tony__IL: guess I should plan a couple road trips LOL
07/17/05 21:15:19 Tony__IL: Indiana, Missouri and Wisconsin
07/17/05 21:16:48 Tony__IL: see ya all in a couple weeks
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07/17/05 21:17:34 Tony__IL: sorry Carolyn, CA is too far
07/17/05 21:17:42 sherry__(Mo): sorry-had a phone call I had to take but Im back now (I think!!)
07/17/05 21:18:30 sherry__(Mo): Tony-I'd love for you to come to Missouri!!
07/17/05 21:18:49 Tony__IL: Trumanville, right?
07/17/05 21:19:17 sherry__(Mo): LOL
07/17/05 21:20:00 Tony__IL: will have to bring the insulated chest
07/17/05 21:20:25 sherry__(Mo): LOL-for sure!!
07/17/05 21:20:40 Tony__IL: styrofoam
07/17/05 21:21:01 sherry__(Mo): I'll supply the beer!!
07/17/05 21:21:16 Tony__IL: go a deal LOL
07/17/05 21:21:23 sherry__(Mo): yeah!!
07/17/05 21:22:05 sherry__(Mo): Sorry-Gotta go-Rod's in the hospital and the phone keeps ringing here
07/17/05 21:22:22 sherry__(Mo): Will try to catch up with you Tuesday night!!
07/17/05 21:22:23 Tony__IL: Brenda, still there?
07/17/05 21:22:26 sherry__(Mo) Logs Out
07/17/05 21:22:33 Brenda_Al: yup
07/17/05 21:23:08 Tony__IL: hot down there. Wish Jana could send us some rain
07/17/05 21:23:37 Brenda_Al: no rain, just cooler temps
07/17/05 21:23:57 Tony__IL: was 90+ here
07/17/05 21:24:16 Brenda_Al: here too
07/17/05 21:24:52 Tony__IL: did get some sweetcorn from the farm though. On the grill and GOOD
07/17/05 21:25:00 Tina Logs in [67.176.91.232]
07/17/05 21:25:10 Brenda_Al: hello
07/17/05 21:25:13 Tina: hello
07/17/05 21:25:15 Tony__IL: hi Tina
07/17/05 21:25:25 Tina: I gather chat is almost over
07/17/05 21:25:45 Tony__IL: just warming up. Right LOL
07/17/05 21:25:57 Tina: LOL
07/17/05 21:26:50 Tony__IL: saw one of your variety's leaf pot on eBay today
07/17/05 21:27:35 Tony__IL: garden angel had it
07/17/05 21:30:09 Tony__IL: got any hybrid ??? here's the expert
07/17/05 21:30:35 Tina: what leaf pot Tony
07/17/05 21:31:25 Tony__IL: Vespa Verde
07/17/05 21:31:50 Carolyn_in_CA: Had to leave for kitchen problems...cooking tandoori chicken kebabs tonight unless I burn them  Tony, you'd be welcome!
07/17/05 21:31:51 Tony__IL: 1 day and 1 hr left
07/17/05 21:32:10 Tina: not mine Tony some used my name a year after I had name reservations published in theAVM
07/17/05 21:32:24 Tony__IL: huh?
07/17/05 21:32:26 Carolyn_in_CA: Hi, Tina
07/17/05 21:32:34 Tina: Hello Carolyn
07/17/05 21:32:48 Tony__IL: guess I won't bid on that one LOL
07/17/05 21:33:20 Tina: That plant can never be registered with the AVSA and I have the registration rights so to speak and they would have to have my written permission
07/17/05 21:33:26 Tony__IL: does say Snk was the hybridizer
07/17/05 21:33:31 Tony__IL: Senk
07/17/05 21:33:33 Tina: yes David Senk
07/17/05 21:33:45 Jana_in_Indiana Logs in [172.193.144.203]
07/17/05 21:34:02 Brenda_Al: hello
07/17/05 21:34:14 Jana_in_Indiana: hi Brenda, Carolyn, Tina & Tony!
07/17/05 21:34:15 Tina: I was waiting for someone to ask about that one since my name verde is used
07/17/05 21:34:23 Tony__IL: Jan a where my rain?
07/17/05 21:34:24 Tina: Hello Jana
07/17/05 21:34:43 Carolyn_in_CA: Hi, Jana, how are you today?
07/17/05 21:34:59 Tony__IL: out of the ER? J
07/17/05 21:35:06 Jana_in_Indiana: we got it all yesterday, sorry, wish I could have sent you some T, we got over 5 inches in one day only, raining for 3 days now
07/17/05 21:35:25 Tony__IL: we REALLY need it
07/17/05 21:35:29 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, but killed my back mixing up Pat's soil
07/17/05 21:35:50 Tony__IL: made up 6 gal yesterday of it
07/17/05 21:36:02 Jana_in_Indiana: made a double batch today
07/17/05 21:36:32 Tony__IL: have to get a bigger mixer LOL
07/17/05 21:36:33 Jana_in_Indiana: so did you cut everything in half T?
07/17/05 21:36:52 Tony__IL: no, did 6 gallons
07/17/05 21:37:16 Carolyn_in_CA: Where'd you get the recipe for the mix?
07/17/05 21:37:26 Jana_in_Indiana: it's in the files
07/17/05 21:38:09 Jana_in_Indiana: T, how did you do just 6 gallons, the recipe calls for over 10 1/2 gallons of stuff
07/17/05 21:38:30 Tony__IL: 1 of this 3 of that, whatever
07/17/05 21:38:33 Carolyn_in_CA: Thanks Jana.  I saw your website and Millie's the other night.  I loved all the photos you took of the convention.  I don't have any variegated now, but I want some/many!
07/17/05 21:39:01 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, just wait, you'll have lots soon, LOL
07/17/05 21:39:11 Carolyn_in_CA: I can't believe it
07/17/05 21:39:16 Tony__IL: maybe had an old recipe????
07/17/05 21:39:37 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm sorry Tina, what were you saying about 'vespa'?
07/17/05 21:39:44 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL  OK, T
07/17/05 21:40:09 Tina: they were asking about vespa verde that is not mine and by D. Senk
07/17/05 21:40:32 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, yes, I remember that one :O
07/17/05 21:40:40 Tony__IL: how could they rip off the name?
07/17/05 21:40:40 Tina: they thought is was mine because of the verde
07/17/05 21:40:50 Tina: vespa sorry
07/17/05 21:41:26 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL, I started to write verde too!  What are we thinking?  ;)
07/17/05 21:41:39 Jana_in_Indiana: till my son told me it meant green
07/17/05 21:41:56 Tina: well I just get mad everytime I think about it LOL
07/17/05 21:42:00 Carolyn_in_CA: Tina, can't be permitted.  It's really infringement if it were a patent.  Did you contact AVSA?  They should be glad to straighten that out....esp. considering he's using the name internationally.  You are definitely an injured party.  Did you contact D.
07/17/05 21:42:35 Jana_in_Indiana: I would too, but anger won't help -- just keep making wasps like those gorgeous ones you released -- he'll wish they were his!
07/17/05 21:42:56 Tina: Carolyn the plant is not registered and he cannot register  it without my written permission which will never happen
07/17/05 21:43:13 Tina: but to patent a plant is very hard
07/17/05 21:43:14 Tony__IL: kick bu##
07/17/05 21:44:20 Tina: yes I just let it go after the initial conversations with that man and he got the hint not to use it I think then I sent a bunch more reservations to AVSA so he cannot use vespa to register any of his plants.
07/17/05 21:44:51 Tina: this one can never be registered with the AVSA but nothing preventing him from using the name and not registering it
07/17/05 21:46:40 Tina: now just trying to rebuild my wasp collection so I have breeding stock LOL
07/17/05 21:46:45 Carolyn_in_CA: Exactly, but bec you had reserved the name (if I understand), he's going a kind of backdoor nonreg way, but it still hurts you and if he's the right kind of guy, he shouldn't want to have that kind of reputation.  He should withdraw it or modify his name
07/17/05 21:47:15 Tina: I asked him to and he refused
07/17/05 21:47:19 Carolyn_in_CA: And AVSA should probably contact him about that
07/17/05 21:47:24 Jana_in_Indiana: you mean I could name any plant Buckeye Blah Blah & nothing could be done as long as I didn't register it?
07/17/05 21:48:02 Tina: probably as they probably do not have a patent
07/17/05 21:48:16 Carolyn_in_CA: Legally, but it's a small world and people wouldn't like you if you were so @$#%^&*)(_( that you didn't care about the fact you took someones names
07/17/05 21:48:17 Jana_in_Indiana: OMG!  That's just plain wrong!
07/17/05 21:48:39 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, I wouldn't ever do that, was just asking ;)
07/17/05 21:48:51 Tina: as long as he doesn't want to register it they cannot do anything.  I already talked to them
07/17/05 21:49:17 Jana_in_Indiana: well, then we should boycot him!
07/17/05 21:49:46 Tina: He said he would no long use that name after Vespa Verde but to me the damage was already done
07/17/05 21:50:02 Tina: I thought he go his justice when his collection got mites LOL
07/17/05 21:50:46 Tina: to me he does not hybridize wasp to improve them just to see how unusual he can make them
07/17/05 21:51:15 Tina: I have a couple of his girl foliage wasps and they are too difficult and way out of control just a clump of leaves
07/17/05 21:51:17 Jana_in_Indiana: right, most of them look like freaks & can never be shown
07/17/05 21:51:43 Tina: now wasps are unruly but l dont think we should make them more unruly
07/17/05 21:52:11 Jana_in_Indiana: even BTF can & has been shown, they can be made to behave -- somewhat, LOL
07/17/05 21:52:21 Tina: now my first group of wasps they are wasps and the blooms are different and improved but the foliage still gets unruly LOL
07/17/05 21:52:37 Tina: well they act just like their mother BTF
07/17/05 21:52:42 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
07/17/05 21:54:18 Tina: now to work on better foliage and more variety like trailers and better vareiagated
07/17/05 21:55:34 Tony__IL: should you ask the parent's hybridizer if it's OK to use his/her plant in your hybrid
07/17/05 21:56:36 Tony__IL: like a Rob's and Aca's?
07/17/05 21:56:57 Tina: no you don't have to ask to use a plant to cross as most of that is not released.  I am not sure if the AVSA would tell folks what plants were used in crossed to create certain plants or not
07/17/05 21:57:08 Tina: no you don't have to ask
07/17/05 21:57:30 Tony__IL: OK, T
07/17/05 21:58:39 Tina: I may release a sixth violet I have been debating
07/17/05 21:58:52 Jana_in_Indiana: why debating?
07/17/05 21:58:57 Tina: my hesitation is it is a blue wasp
07/17/05 21:59:13 Tina: well maybe even more on the purple side
07/17/05 21:59:39 Tony__IL: any others similar?
07/17/05 21:59:40 Tina: Beth thinks I should release it maybe I should take a poll LOL
07/17/05 21:59:51 Jana_in_Indiana: post a photo?
07/17/05 21:59:52 Tina: well there are severl blue wasps
07/17/05 22:00:24 Tina: blue tail fly, royal wasp, martian,
07/17/05 22:02:22 Jana_in_Indiana: so?  There isn't a blue/purple vespa!!!
07/17/05 22:03:21 Tina: yes one is but looks nothing like this one bloom wise LOL
07/17/05 22:03:57 Carolyn_in_CA: What's BTF?
07/17/05 22:04:06 Carolyn_in_CA: What's BTF?
07/17/05 22:04:07 Jana_in_Indiana: as long as it's different than YOUR others, go for it!
07/17/05 22:04:12 Jana_in_Indiana: Blue Tail Fly
07/17/05 22:05:42 Carolyn_in_CA: Thanks. Didn't mean to ask twice
07/17/05 22:05:58 Tony__IL: J did you get your Swedish leaves yet?
07/17/05 22:06:19 Jana_in_Indiana: nope
07/17/05 22:06:34 Tina: what were you getting Jana
07/17/05 22:06:36 Jana_in_Indiana: I wonder what she'll send?
07/17/05 22:06:44 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL I have no idea!
07/17/05 22:06:57 Jana_in_Indiana: I asked her to send ones that we don't have here
07/17/05 22:07:13 Tina: I tried last year and customs got them took all the contents out and sent me a nasty letter in it LOL
07/17/05 22:07:29 Tina: who is sending them to you
07/17/05 22:07:58 Jana_in_Indiana: why?  if there's no soil shouldn't be a problem
07/17/05 22:08:02 Tony__IL: nhad no trouble. She didn't even put a return address on the box she sent LOL
07/17/05 22:08:28 Carolyn_in_CA: Do you need a phytosanitary certificate?
07/17/05 22:08:33 Tina: yes you do
07/17/05 22:08:47 Tina: I never have had a problem before then LOL
07/17/05 22:08:52 Carolyn_in_CA: Shouldn't be a prolems from Sweden
07/17/05 22:08:58 Jana_in_Indiana: oh no, then I'll never get mine!  But she got her's just fine
07/17/05 22:09:00 Tony__IL: I just put the green customs thing on it
07/17/05 22:09:19 Carolyn_in_CA: Yeah
07/17/05 22:09:45 Tony__IL: just marked no soil
07/17/05 22:10:33 Tony__IL: same as I did for Del in Canada
07/17/05 22:10:42 Tina: they letter said something about bringing plants in from out of the country
07/17/05 22:11:13 Tony__IL: sent leaves only and she sent leaves and 2 bare rooted plants
07/17/05 22:11:22 Carolyn_in_CA: I don't know how it works for AV, but for orchids they're strict and can quarantine and "gas" them even without soil (usually kills the plants )
07/17/05 22:11:30 Jana_in_Indiana: did the box say it was AV leaves Tony?
07/17/05 22:11:50 Carolyn_in_CA: Maybe customs didn't pick up on what was in the box
07/17/05 22:12:06 Tony__IL: mine did. Her's didn't say anything, just the address and 5 stamps
07/17/05 22:12:43 Carolyn_in_CA: So your violets are illegal aliens!
07/17/05 22:12:56 Tony__IL: don't tell anyone LOL
07/17/05 22:13:03 Tina: Yep LOL
07/17/05 22:13:07 Carolyn_in_CA: It's just so funny
07/17/05 22:13:11 Jana_in_Indiana: I'll send the feds right away!  LOL
07/17/05 22:14:13 Carolyn_in_CA: They'd probably come too....they should be after terrorists and criminals, but every arrest goes in a one number on the database that funds from the numbers, so the easier the better
07/17/05 22:14:13 Tony__IL: like when my cousin brought grape plant from Italy. Probably growing in someone's yard in Chicago
07/17/05 22:15:17 Carolyn_in_CA: I used to hear that people got fined for bringing in food...mangos from the Philippines, etc.  They got big fines (and lost the mangos)
07/17/05 22:16:13 Tony__IL: there was something about fertilizers on planes in the last AVM
07/17/05 22:16:38 Carolyn_in_CA: The State of California as rules about certain kinds of plants coming in from like AZ, and even citrus coming from S. to N. Ca.  They stop the cars, etc.  I was always lucky.
07/17/05 22:17:05 Carolyn_in_CA: Bec the components of fertilized can be used to make bombs?
07/17/05 22:17:19 Brenda_Al: do yall order leaves in the summer? is it safe enough in the heat?
07/17/05 22:17:53 Tony__IL: I should put some leaves in a box and on the porch. Think it;s too hot here
07/17/05 22:18:33 Tony__IL: how do you ship to hot states, Tina
07/17/05 22:18:48 Tina: I sent some to Florida and Luoisiana last week with no problems
07/17/05 22:18:58 Carolyn_in_CA: I'm going to try.  Jana before you came, Cheryl was here and said whe was getting rid of her greenies and getting var, so if you email her she will send a list.  You maybe know this already, but just in case
07/17/05 22:19:28 Carolyn_in_CA: Tina, how did you package and mail them?
07/17/05 22:19:32 Tina: try to make user it it under 90 and I put them in a big box inbetween house insulation about 3" thick each side
07/17/05 22:19:42 Jana_in_Indiana: which Cheryl?
07/17/05 22:19:46 Tony__IL: what did you use for insulation/packing material
07/17/05 22:19:53 Carolyn_in_CA: Dogmam
07/17/05 22:20:33 Tony__IL: OK Like house insulation R-11
07/17/05 22:20:41 Jana_in_Indiana: I've been collecting only variegated AV's for almost a year now, still need home for some of my greenies
07/17/05 22:21:15 Tony__IL: road trip. Get John to drive partway
07/17/05 22:21:55 Carolyn_in_CA: Hey, I'll be happy to adopt them esp that huge variegated one on your website held by a young man...it must have been 18 inches across
07/17/05 22:21:56 Brenda_Al: are you talking leaves Jana
07/17/05 22:22:23 Carolyn_in_CA: Hey, Tony, can you pick me up at O'Hare?
07/17/05 22:22:44 Jana_in_Indiana: leaves, plantlets, everything
07/17/05 22:22:57 Tony__IL: on my way thru town, Just take the northern route
07/17/05 22:23:06 Carolyn_in_CA: Jana. tjat
07/17/05 22:23:29 Carolyn_in_CA: that's so definite...aren't you afraid you'll change your mind in a year or so?
07/17/05 22:23:55 Jana_in_Indiana: no, check FC2, everything possible in blooms does come in variegated AV's
07/17/05 22:23:59 Tony__IL: don't give me time to change my mind LOL
07/17/05 22:24:24 Tony__IL: asking me or Jana?
07/17/05 22:24:32 Carolyn_in_CA: Jana
07/17/05 22:25:07 Tony__IL: still can pick u up Carolyn LOL
07/17/05 22:25:11 Jana_in_Indiana: that was my son holding that AV, it was one of Anne's show plants I got from her after convention
07/17/05 22:25:26 Carolyn_in_CA: I thought the road trip is a good idea, but we'd need a huge rental van or better yet a mini-reefer truck.
07/17/05 22:25:43 Tina: LOL
07/17/05 22:25:51 Tony__IL: big LOL
07/17/05 22:25:55 Carolyn_in_CA: Anne, who, and how could she give or even sell such a monster?
07/17/05 22:26:05 Jana_in_Indiana: doubt I'll be able to send any out for at least a month, too blasted hot here
07/17/05 22:26:35 Carolyn_in_CA: That's ok
07/17/05 22:26:38 Tony__IL: same here
07/17/05 22:26:59 Jana_in_Indiana: Anne Thomas, check www.avsa.org for her show results, she said she never takes show plants home, risk of buggies -- didn't bother me, I isolated everything as always
07/17/05 22:27:02 Carolyn_in_CA: But not that it's too hot.  I'm surprised so much rain didn't cool it off, of course it never did help much in FL
07/17/05 22:27:48 Jana_in_Indiana: cools for a few hours, maybe a whole day, but then back up again, I won't ship if close to 90
07/17/05 22:28:17 Tony__IL: by the way, my aunt with the stroke made it home Friday. Thanks for the e-Cards
07/17/05 22:28:31 Jana_in_Indiana: did she get them?
07/17/05 22:28:36 Tony__IL: yepper
07/17/05 22:28:39 Jana_in_Indiana: so she's all better now?
07/17/05 22:28:56 Jana_in_Indiana: that's so cool the hospital does that for the patients!
07/17/05 22:29:02 Tony__IL: got to go to the Dr. before she flys back to CA
07/17/05 22:29:20 Jana_in_Indiana: it's amazing what they can do now!
07/17/05 22:29:29 Tony__IL: way cool
07/17/05 22:30:13 Jana_in_Indiana: you should add her to the prayer list in the database on VR
07/17/05 22:30:15 Tony__IL: the hospital where she was has on their web site you can send a card and they print it and deliver it to the patients
07/17/05 22:30:42 Tina: that is great way to do it
07/17/05 22:31:23 Tony__IL: first time I've ever heard of it
07/17/05 22:31:44 Jana_in_Indiana: me too!
07/17/05 22:32:05 Tony__IL: 51 minutes and still have the eBay bid
07/17/05 22:32:31 Jana_in_Indiana: what are you bidding on T?
07/17/05 22:33:02 Tony__IL: Ajohn's Spinning Bell leaf pot from the garden angel
07/17/05 22:33:25 Jana_in_Indiana: oh Del would LOVE that one!  He's crazy about bells!
07/17/05 22:33:27 Carolyn_in_CA: Great Tony!  Sometimes people are so hot and all over something, then soon after no one seems to pay attention.  That's why I try to monitor regularly and always be there for the last five minutes ready to bid
07/17/05 22:33:31 Tina: Yes do tell so I can make sure not to bid against you.
07/17/05 22:33:55 Carolyn_in_CA: That's nice
07/17/05 22:34:02 Tony__IL: Can snd you a baby later
07/17/05 22:34:03 Jana_in_Indiana: do you bid as thevioletrooster?
07/17/05 22:34:08 Tony__IL: yep
07/17/05 22:34:21 Tony__IL: send*
07/17/05 22:34:23 Jana_in_Indiana: save one for Del too
07/17/05 22:34:29 Tony__IL: can do
07/17/05 22:34:46 Jana_in_Indiana: grow it in perlite vermic only so you can send the plant, not just leaves
07/17/05 22:34:56 Tony__IL: got another window open and watching
07/17/05 22:35:11 Tony__IL: good idea - no soil
07/17/05 22:35:13 Tina: ok now I know who not to bid against LOL
07/17/05 22:35:19 Jana_in_Indiana: oh!  Multitasking?  I'd be booted in a flash!
07/17/05 22:35:41 Tony__IL: running Win 98 so not XP
07/17/05 22:36:02 Jana_in_Indiana: you know that means nothing to me!  LOL
07/17/05 22:36:17 Tony__IL: older is sometimes better
07/17/05 22:36:28 Brenda_Al: y'all have a nice nite, later
07/17/05 22:36:32 Brenda_Al Logs Out
07/17/05 22:36:50 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Brenda!
07/17/05 22:37:07 Carolyn_in_CA: Jana, why do you say perlite vermic?  Is that how some people start leaves?
07/17/05 22:37:23 Tony__IL: just got out bid but think I'll wait til closer to the close so they can't counter bid
07/17/05 22:37:28 Jana_in_Indiana: if it's a soil LESS miox, you can send to Canada
07/17/05 22:37:44 Carolyn_in_CA: Tony, my idea exactly.  Save money
07/17/05 22:37:59 Jana_in_Indiana: but even adding peat, makes it look like soil
07/17/05 22:38:06 Tony__IL: no sense in getting into a bidding war
07/17/05 22:38:16 Tina: yes I had one person use this auction sniper and he won all the auctions that way it bids in the last 7 seconds for you
07/17/05 22:38:22 Jana_in_Indiana: no, let them think you went to bed, ;)
07/17/05 22:39:14 Carolyn_in_CA: Oh.  I just got a little miltoniopsis from Canada.  $1.50 for the plant and $8.00 to mail and get phyto cert..  I had many last minute grabs for orchids.  My neighbor said the people had DSL.  I had a slow phone line.
07/17/05 22:41:04 Tony__IL: I usually have everything ready and hit ENTER about 7 seconds before it ends
07/17/05 22:41:28 Tony__IL: also have DSL
07/17/05 22:43:17 Jana_in_Indiana: which one T?  I looked & didn't find any Ajohn's
07/17/05 22:43:19 Carolyn_in_CA: Someone told me there was some special "sniper" program, but I don't know what it is.  Tony that sounds like the best what you're doing
07/17/05 22:43:50 Tina: it is at www. auctionsniper.com
07/17/05 22:43:59 Carolyn_in_CA: OMG
07/17/05 22:44:31 Tina: yes there is and it apparently works well from what I hear
07/17/05 22:44:42 Tony__IL: don't know if I used it before or not
07/17/05 22:44:58 Tony__IL: check e-mail J
07/17/05 22:45:14 Carolyn_in_CA: I'd love to use it against one orchid lady who did that to me 3 times in one evening.
07/17/05 22:45:45 Carolyn_in_CA: But I try to have a live and let live attitude, so I probably wouldn't
07/17/05 22:46:02 Tony__IL: the program send a bid about 4 seconds before the end and they don't have to counter-bid
07/17/05 22:46:10 Tina: well it would be fun to do just once LOL and it is free
07/17/05 22:46:12 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks T!
07/17/05 22:46:25 Carolyn_in_CA: yeah have it ready just in case
07/17/05 22:46:47 Tony__IL: just make sure your bid is higher than theirs
07/17/05 22:47:18 Carolyn_in_CA: Tina, when did wasps start and are there many serious breeders?
07/17/05 22:48:07 Tina: in the 50 to 60's
07/17/05 22:48:47 Tina: not many
07/17/05 22:49:14 Tina: I am hearing more and more folks saying they want to though
07/17/05 22:49:28 Carolyn_in_CA: I have always been a casual off and on again AV grower since my childhood (in the late 50's) so I didn't see them until about two weeks ago when I started looking at this website and AVSA
07/17/05 22:50:33 Carolyn_in_CA: How did you get started breeding them, liking them, etc
07/17/05 22:50:54 Tony__IL: until a few years ago I didn't know named ones existed
07/17/05 22:52:02 Jana_in_Indiana: same for me T
07/17/05 22:52:34 Denise Logs in [204.50.10.29]
07/17/05 22:52:46 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Denise!
07/17/05 22:52:51 Tony__IL: hi Denise
07/17/05 22:52:54 Denise: Hi - I'm late, as usual!
07/17/05 22:53:05 Carolyn_in_CA: Hi, Denise
07/17/05 22:53:33 Carolyn_in_CA: Where are you?
07/17/05 22:53:45 Denise: Tina, are you the Tina with the new hybrids?
07/17/05 22:53:46 Tony__IL: you aren't bogga2884 on eBay are you?
07/17/05 22:54:00 Tina: Carolyn it started as an experiment to see if I could do it LOL
07/17/05 22:54:08 Tina: Yes I am Denise
07/17/05 22:54:25 Tina: Me Tony as bogga2884
07/17/05 22:54:40 Tina: Now I am hooked Carolyn
07/17/05 22:54:47 Carolyn_in_CA: Are certain varieties more likely to "wasp?"
07/17/05 22:54:51 Tony__IL: anyone present as bogga2884?
07/17/05 22:54:55 Tina: I have 3 new crosses growing now
07/17/05 22:55:11 Carolyn_in_CA: So exciting
07/17/05 22:55:20 Tony__IL: THEY ARE BIDDING AGAINST ME lol
07/17/05 22:55:21 Tina: Not me my Ebay ID is Gecko2T
07/17/05 22:55:27 Tina: not me Tony
07/17/05 22:55:50 Carolyn_in_CA: NOOOOO!!
07/17/05 22:55:53 Jana_in_Indiana: not me either T
07/17/05 22:56:15 Denise: WE would NEVER bid against YOU, Tony!
07/17/05 22:56:21 Carolyn_in_CA: Never me either
07/17/05 22:56:37 Denise: Well, unless it was something REALLY good!
07/17/05 22:56:42 Tina: LOL
07/17/05 22:56:48 Tony__IL: thought if anyone was, we'd just split the pot and save $$$$$
07/17/05 22:56:55 Jana_in_Indiana: naw!  I'd wait till you had it & beg for leaves, LOL
07/17/05 22:57:08 Tina: LOL
07/17/05 22:57:13 Tina: that is the way to do it.
07/17/05 22:57:21 Carolyn_in_CA: Bid real high so when they make a bid it will they will have to keep going higher and give up
07/17/05 22:57:28 Tina: I have my eye on a couple of wasp leaf pots but we will see
07/17/05 22:57:38 Denise: What is the highest everyone has ever bid on a plant on ebay?
07/17/05 22:58:03 Jana_in_Indiana: never have bought AV's from ebay, don't plan to! ;)
07/17/05 22:58:03 Carolyn_in_CA: you know when it won't accept your bid bec the amount someone did was much higer
07/17/05 22:58:07 Tony__IL: one the other day was like $60+ for a plant
07/17/05 22:58:10 Tina: I had one bought for 50.00 once
07/17/05 22:58:27 Denise: Tony - did you bid over $60 for a plant?
07/17/05 22:58:27 Tina: had 41.00 for leaves too LOL
07/17/05 22:58:42 Carolyn_in_CA: I paid $152.00 for an orchid, then the next week I got an identical plant from the same vender for 35.00
07/17/05 22:58:52 Tony__IL: I'm on a retirement and a budget LOL
07/17/05 22:58:52 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
07/17/05 22:58:57 Tina: oh that sucks LOL
07/17/05 22:59:00 Carolyn_in_CA: Taught me to have restraint
07/17/05 22:59:08 Denise: Okay, Carolyn, I think you win!  I bid $67.
07/17/05 22:59:22 Tony__IL: if there's one there will probably be another
07/17/05 22:59:26 Carolyn_in_CA: Plant or leaves?
07/17/05 22:59:29 Tina: I think last year a chimera was about 200.00
07/17/05 22:59:37 Tony__IL: gee
07/17/05 22:59:38 Denise: I bid $67 for a plant and was outbid!
07/17/05 22:59:55 Jana_in_Indiana: were you glad you got outbid?
07/17/05 22:59:55 Carolyn_in_CA: wow!  I don't understand chimeras yet except they don't leaf prop the way other AVs do
07/17/05 22:59:56 Tony__IL: hope it was well packed T
07/17/05 23:00:22 Denise: No, I was disappointed, and would probably bid higher the next time!
07/17/05 23:00:40 Denise: (If I'm not broke)
07/17/05 23:00:42 Carolyn_in_CA: Did you check back to see if it was offered again?
07/17/05 23:00:45 Jana_in_Indiana: Denise, what plant is worth that much to you?
07/17/05 23:01:07 Denise: I can't tell you - then you would know my bid!
07/17/05 23:01:26 Tina: oh I want to know now LOL
07/17/05 23:01:26 Jana_in_Indiana: I was going to see if I scould find you one
07/17/05 23:02:47 Tony__IL: I'll send you my have list and if you want one for $175+, I'll personally deliver it LOL
07/17/05 23:02:59 Tina: well I am hoping the person that is bidding on the auction I am interested in is asleep LOL
07/17/05 23:03:28 Denise: Tony, I live in Canada - you wouldn't get through Customs!
07/17/05 23:03:50 Tony__IL: I'll hide it in my shirt LOL
07/17/05 23:04:07 Jana_in_Indiana: sure you could!
07/17/05 23:04:17 Jana_in_Indiana: there are tricks for anything!
07/17/05 23:04:26 Denise: It would be easier if you were a Toni, not a Tony!
07/17/05 23:04:39 Tony__IL: true
07/17/05 23:04:58 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
07/17/05 23:05:22 Jana_in_Indiana: I've hid things in my bra before but never a plant!  LOL LOL :D
07/17/05 23:05:40 Tina: LOL
07/17/05 23:05:43 Tony__IL: just wash off the dirt first
07/17/05 23:05:48 Denise: Lots of people plant things in their bra!
07/17/05 23:06:16 Tony__IL: maybe I could pretend to be a cross dresser LOL
07/17/05 23:06:26 Jana_in_Indiana: OMG!  :O
07/17/05 23:07:07 Jana_in_Indiana: I know of people that put tropical fish in insulated drink cups & keep sipping the water (YUCK!) while talking to the customs people
07/17/05 23:07:19 Tony__IL: LOL
07/17/05 23:07:25 Denise: MMMmmmmm!
07/17/05 23:08:05 Denise: I can't imagine what they must see in a day !
07/17/05 23:08:25 Jana_in_Indiana: I don't want to knw!
07/17/05 23:08:29 Jana_in_Indiana: know!
07/17/05 23:08:39 Denise: I just tell them what I've got and pay ... and pay.  It's easier that way.
07/17/05 23:09:06 Jana_in_Indiana: but you can't pay & get a plant in
07/17/05 23:09:37 Denise: It depends on what type of plant, Jana
07/17/05 23:09:37 Jana_in_Indiana: they quarantine tropical fish, usually till they die!  They won't even feed them
07/17/05 23:09:50 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, ok
07/17/05 23:10:23 Denise: Everything from Hawaii is restricted from entering Canada.
07/17/05 23:10:29 Jana_in_Indiana: why?
07/17/05 23:10:29 Denise: Even seeds.
07/17/05 23:10:53 Carolyn_in_CA: Tony, I just checked your Ebay, about 12 minutes left.  I also found a plant of Spinning Bells that ends on 7/20.  It's at $5.50 plus about 5.00 S&H...just in case
07/17/05 23:11:22 Tony__IL: thanks
07/17/05 23:11:26 Denise: Well, if they grow something that has the porential of carrying a disease that could harm an agricultural crop, anything from that area will be restricted.  I don't know for sure, but I am assuming that must be the reason why.
07/17/05 23:11:41 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
07/17/05 23:11:52 Tony__IL: maybe I'll wait and try that one. Probably saves me $10
07/17/05 23:12:35 Carolyn_in_CA: Yeah, from Hawaii they have sniffer dogs at the airport looking for plants, but I get lots of orchids from Hawaii.  They just have to have them inspected and that's not too expensive or much trouble for the growers who do it all the time.
07/17/05 23:12:57 Denise: It might be the bark they grow them in - that would never get into Canada!
07/17/05 23:13:41 Carolyn_in_CA: Tony it says up to 6 clusters but usually at least 3 in a pot.  Of course a plant depending on how big can make more babies and would it maybe ship better?  But what a pretty flower!
07/17/05 23:13:51 Tina: the funny thing is the bark probably originally came from Canada too LOL
07/17/05 23:14:34 Carolyn_in_CA: I don't remember what the reason is, but Hawaii is really strict, and when they're coming to me in CA, they need the inspection not only to get out of Hawaii, but to get into to CA bec they're marked plants
07/17/05 23:14:52 Denise: Maybe, Tina.  I don't grow orchids and have no idea what kind of bark used in their pots.
07/17/05 23:14:53 Carolyn_in_CA: Yeah I bet the bark did come from Canada
07/17/05 23:15:02 Tony__IL: maybe I'll e-mail the winner and ask what they want for a plant LOL
07/17/05 23:15:04 Denise: Arf!
07/17/05 23:15:13 Denise: That's a Canadian bark.
07/17/05 23:15:15 Carolyn_in_CA: Hey, good idea, but is it over yet
07/17/05 23:15:17 Tina: LOL
07/17/05 23:15:35 Tony__IL: 8 minutes
07/17/05 23:15:56 Carolyn_in_CA: I can't breathe....getting that ending edgy feeling
07/17/05 23:16:17 Tony__IL: or mail Sandy and see if she's got another one
07/17/05 23:17:39 Tony__IL: since I got a chimera last year and it didn't chim LOL
07/17/05 23:17:54 Jana_in_Indiana: she never made that right with you?
07/17/05 23:18:20 Carolyn_in_CA: Tony-4 minutes!
07/17/05 23:18:35 Tony__IL: she suggested let it bloom again and maybe change the lite. It only bloomed once and I have 2 suckers
07/17/05 23:18:40 Denise: Tony, you better win the thing or Carolyn won't sleep!
07/17/05 23:18:57 Tina: LOL
07/17/05 23:19:01 Carolyn_in_CA: I'm just such a killer on some Ebay things
07/17/05 23:19:06 Jana_in_Indiana: quick, who else will want one of the babies, & help Tony by splitting the cost?
07/17/05 23:19:17 Denise: me
07/17/05 23:19:23 Carolyn_in_CA: I would but there may not be many babies
07/17/05 23:19:52 Denise: Maybe he would rather sell a baby than split the cost?
07/17/05 23:20:00 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, Tony can make all the babies you'll need or want!  LOL
07/17/05 23:20:02 Denise: We shouldn't take it for granted, I guess.
07/17/05 23:20:27 Carolyn_in_CA: I think that if we are going to split something we might go for the plant if Tony doesn't get the babies.  It has two more days to go
07/17/05 23:20:37 Tony__IL: not sure which in the photo it is
07/17/05 23:20:49 Carolyn_in_CA: what photo?
07/17/05 23:21:36 Jana_in_Indiana: probably the one on the Right, scalloped leaves
07/17/05 23:22:02 Denise: Tony, you gotta go now - we'll talk to you AFTER you win it!
07/17/05 23:22:38 Carolyn_in_CA: Plant is item 770103790 from plantsonpurpose.  So far it's $5.50 with $5.00 S&H.  The picture of the bloom and the description don't do it justice like the babies Tony is bidding on..
07/17/05 23:23:28 Jana_in_Indiana: darn, he lost
07/17/05 23:23:31 Tony__IL: Well I got sniped by another bidder
07/17/05 23:23:39 Jana_in_Indiana: to someone else, emilycat?
07/17/05 23:23:53 Carolyn_in_CA: Yeah, some cat lady, but really $12.00!!!
07/17/05 23:23:56 Tina: LOL she won the auction I was watching also
07/17/05 23:23:59 Tony__IL: their only bid
07/17/05 23:24:20 Jana_in_Indiana: you need that sniper thingy!  What was it called?
07/17/05 23:24:26 Tony__IL: about $20 with shipping
07/17/05 23:24:36 Carolyn_in_CA: So, don't be depressed, go for the plant.  It's bigger and cheaper.  Assuming it's the same variety
07/17/05 23:25:04 Tony__IL: like I said, there's always another one
07/17/05 23:25:29 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: is that the same gal that never paid you?
07/17/05 23:25:41 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: $$ and other one for $6
07/17/05 23:25:45 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: don't worry, never post these logs from Sunday, LOL
07/17/05 23:26:04 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: don't think so
07/17/05 23:26:09 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: oh, ok
07/17/05 23:26:29 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: should bid on a couple dawn has and see what would happen LOL
07/17/05 23:26:54 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: who is dawn?
07/17/05 23:27:00 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: you mean Amy?
07/17/05 23:27:03 Tony__IL: like the Gehr Mint something. Seen it go for big $$
07/17/05 23:27:12 Denise: Mint Condition.
07/17/05 23:27:13 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: yepper
07/17/05 23:27:41 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: who was the gal that won one of your auctions, & never paid, siad she had identity theft or something?
07/17/05 23:27:41 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: would be a hoot LOL
07/17/05 23:27:56 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: but if you didn't pay, ebay would be after you!
07/17/05 23:27:57 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: no she's from FL
07/17/05 23:28:15 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: whatever, ain't worth the trouble
07/17/05 23:28:16 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: ok
07/17/05 23:28:27 Denise: That is a popular hybridizer.  Some of her plants are quite unusual.
07/17/05 23:28:51 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: would like to do the dawn thingy and see the reaction
07/17/05 23:29:03 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: is she even selling now?
07/17/05 23:29:09 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: yep
07/17/05 23:29:12 Denise: Besides, AJohn's Spinning Bells, what are the plants at the top of everyone's wish list?
07/17/05 23:29:35 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: had several on a couple days ago
07/17/05 23:30:24 Denise: Easter Eggs is at the top of my wish list
07/17/05 23:30:26 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: should do it just for the heck of it LOL
07/17/05 23:30:29 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: I just checked, none
07/17/05 23:30:37 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: she's carouselangel now
07/17/05 23:30:46 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: right
07/17/05 23:31:03 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: oops, spelled it wrong carouselleangel
07/17/05 23:31:05 Denise: But that is not the name of the one I bid so high on!
07/17/05 23:31:10 Carolyn_in_CA: Just getting started with named varieties.  I like Ness, Eyerdom, and particularly the med blue lav ones.  Like girl or lacy/ruffled leaves (don't have any)
07/17/05 23:31:33 Carolyn_in_CA: Are you currently bidding on "it" Denise?
07/17/05 23:31:46 Denise: No - "it" is not on ebay!
07/17/05 23:32:15 Tony__IL > Jana_in_Indiana: just like to see the expression when she finds thevioletrooster = me
07/17/05 23:33:07 Carolyn_in_CA: BTW Jana, I am enjoying Pat's catalog you emailed me.  I think I really like Buckeyes!
07/17/05 23:33:47 Carolyn_in_CA: I'm not a red violet person, but when I saw the picture on your website of Remember Ohio, I immediately decided to get one
07/17/05 23:34:02 Tina Logs Out
07/17/05 23:34:05 Denise: I have to get going here, but it was fun and I'll talk to you all again next week.
07/17/05 23:34:15 Carolyn_in_CA: Bye Denise
07/17/05 23:34:19 Denise Logs Out
07/17/05 23:34:22 Tony__IL: nite
07/17/05 23:34:59 Jana_in_Indiana > Tony__IL: LOL
07/17/05 23:35:06 Carolyn_in_CA: Is that place Bountiful Jungle still having a sale?  Is it a website?
07/17/05 23:35:16 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, I love all the Buckeye Carolyn
07/17/05 23:35:50 Carolyn_in_CA: The Buckeyes are so big and lush.  Flowers are so rich looking too
07/17/05 23:36:05 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, it's Blooming Jungle
07/17/05 23:36:22 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, I think so, what's your e-mail addy?  I'll send you the info
07/17/05 23:36:35 Carolyn_in_CA: cmiyashiita@aol.com
07/17/05 23:37:27 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, it's on the way
07/17/05 23:37:44 Tony__IL: will have to mail Cheryl Vetter and see what green plants she wants to get rid of. Going all variegated. Maybe catchin J
07/17/05 23:37:50 Jana_in_Indiana: OMG!  Del is on!
07/17/05 23:38:02 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL T!
07/17/05 23:38:08 Tony__IL: where?
07/17/05 23:38:15 Jana_in_Indiana: Mille did it soon after I did too\
07/17/05 23:38:21 Jana_in_Indiana: yahoo messenger
07/17/05 23:38:31 Jana_in_Indiana: the thing you NEVER start!
07/17/05 23:38:39 Tony__IL: tell him to jump in here
07/17/05 23:39:29 Carolyn_in_CA: Thanks J.
07/17/05 23:39:40 Jana_in_Indiana: trying to T!
07/17/05 23:40:00 Carolyn_in_CA: Tony, you mean you didn't already email Cheryl?
07/17/05 23:40:03 Jana_in_Indiana: he's finishing an e-mail will be here soon!
07/17/05 23:40:28 Tony__IL: correct Carolyn
07/17/05 23:40:36 Carolyn_in_CA: Hey, Jana, your dog babies are really cute too
07/17/05 23:40:47 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks!
07/17/05 23:40:51 Carolyn_in_CA: I have cats at least twice as big
07/17/05 23:40:56 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
07/17/05 23:41:10 Jana_in_Indiana: sherry is coming too!
07/17/05 23:41:28 Jana_in_Indiana: but if they were any larger I couldn't pick them up
07/17/05 23:41:40 Tony__IL: holy, It's almost midnight here!!
07/17/05 23:41:45 Jana_in_Indiana: have a muscle disease
07/17/05 23:41:49 Carolyn_in_CA: What kind of vermiculite do people use to start leaves?  I'm using spaghnum moss bec I had some from my orchids
07/17/05 23:42:17 Jana_in_Indiana: I put everything into Pat's soil, which I'm up to my ears in now!
07/17/05 23:42:28 Tony__IL: I use the same thing for all leaves/babies/plants
07/17/05 23:42:32 Carolyn_in_CA: Jana my heart goes out to you.  My partner Milton has back problems and its a constant thing trying to avoid injury but still have a life
07/17/05 23:43:24 Jana_in_Indiana: I've had back surgery too, my vertebrae are dissolving & disks shot
07/17/05 23:43:39 del_SK_Canada Logs in [70.64.104.142]
07/17/05 23:43:42 Jana_in_Indiana: just spent 9 hours in ER this past Monday!
07/17/05 23:43:42 Tony__IL: will have to repot 2 of the same in my mix and Pat's and see what happens
07/17/05 23:43:44 Carolyn_in_CA: I think it's easier to start them in what they will live in later on, but I had some leaf rotting and it seemed to go too slowly on the ones that didn't rot.  I researched the help files and I'm going to try with Pat's soil.
07/17/05 23:43:46 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Del!!!
07/17/05 23:44:01 Jana_in_Indiana: good test Tony!
07/17/05 23:44:03 Carolyn_in_CA: Hi, Del
07/17/05 23:44:10 Tony__IL: hey, Sr. Rooster how ya doing
07/17/05 23:44:22 Carolyn_in_CA: Jana, the ER is almost worse than the actual pain
07/17/05 23:44:29 Jana_in_Indiana: have fun fishing?
07/17/05 23:44:29 Tony__IL: long time no see
07/17/05 23:44:40 del_SK_Canada: Hi everyone
07/17/05 23:45:07 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, they started w/ pain pills, but aftering they found out my BP was over 200 (from the pain) they gave me morphine
07/17/05 23:45:24 del_SK_Canada: wonderful fishing got in 12 good days of fishing
07/17/05 23:45:31 Tony__IL: holy cr&*
07/17/05 23:45:38 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
07/17/05 23:45:49 Tony__IL: nice vacation for you Del
07/17/05 23:45:58 Carolyn_in_CA: Wow!  I hope the pain is getting better.  It's been almost a week.
07/17/05 23:46:05 Jana_in_Indiana: what's ya catch?  Any nice trout?
07/17/05 23:46:19 del_SK_Canada: just got home late yesterday groomed plants all today get ready to transplanting
07/17/05 23:46:25 Jana_in_Indiana: it was better till I made this blasted soil!  LOL
07/17/05 23:46:44 Carolyn_in_CA: :(
07/17/05 23:46:47 Tony__IL: how big a batch J?
07/17/05 23:47:01 Jana_in_Indiana: 2 time the recipe
07/17/05 23:47:09 del_SK_Canada: yes got 1 day at the trout  had a fish fry the whole camp once every week we were there what fun and good food
07/17/05 23:47:15 Carolyn_in_CA: That's a lot of lifting J
07/17/05 23:47:20 Tony__IL: get Del's cement mixer next time
07/17/05 23:47:33 Jana_in_Indiana: sounds wonderful Del!
07/17/05 23:47:34 del_SK_Canada: it works tony LOL
07/17/05 23:47:47 Jana_in_Indiana: my son had to help with the mixing!
07/17/05 23:47:57 del_SK_Canada: want to go right back again
07/17/05 23:48:05 Carolyn_in_CA: I was going to suggest getting him to help
07/17/05 23:48:14 Carolyn_in_CA: Where did you go fishing?
07/17/05 23:48:49 del_SK_Canada: we were right near the border to the North west teritories away up north
07/17/05 23:49:08 Carolyn_in_CA: Sounds wonderful and beautiful
07/17/05 23:49:09 Jana_in_Indiana: gawd!  I'd love to go there!
07/17/05 23:49:22 sherry__(Mo) Logs in [172.157.178.221]
07/17/05 23:49:27 del_SK_Canada: 10 hour drive from here then 3 hours by boat to the camp site
07/17/05 23:49:28 Jana_in_Indiana: I want to hear the spring thaw & see the northern lights up close!
07/17/05 23:49:29 Carolyn_in_CA: Hi, Sherry
07/17/05 23:49:33 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Sherry!
07/17/05 23:49:40 del_SK_Canada: Hi Sherry
07/17/05 23:49:41 Jana_in_Indiana: what river were you fishing in Del?
07/17/05 23:49:45 sherry__(Mo): Hi everyone-so glad to see you Del!!
07/17/05 23:49:50 Tony__IL: my brother makes an annual trek someplace north in Minnesota
07/17/05 23:50:02 del_SK_Canada: they are beautiful up there Jana
07/17/05 23:50:09 Tony__IL: hi Sherry
07/17/05 23:50:15 Jana_in_Indiana: so I've heard De l
07/17/05 23:50:28 del_SK_Canada: good fishing beautiful country Tony
07/17/05 23:50:42 Tony__IL: he like it
07/17/05 23:50:53 sherry__(Mo): Bet it wasn't as hot as it is here Del!!
07/17/05 23:50:58 Jana_in_Indiana: what river did you fish De l?
07/17/05 23:51:39 del_SK_Canada: the fish fry,s were a wonderful treat men went out fishing and women did  food up then everyone got together and had a feast LOL
07/17/05 23:51:58 Tony__IL: sounds great
07/17/05 23:52:09 Jana_in_Indiana: it does sound wonderful!
07/17/05 23:52:11 sherry__(Mo): Did Irene enjoy herself?
07/17/05 23:52:13 Carolyn_in_CA: Nothing like fresh caught fish
07/17/05 23:52:20 del_SK_Canada: no needed the wood stove on for the first 5 days every night doew in the 30,s at night up there
07/17/05 23:52:43 sherry__(Mo): Good snugglin' weather!
07/17/05 23:53:14 del_SK_Canada: yes and as usual she out fished me  Sherry
07/17/05 23:53:23 sherry__(Mo): LOL
07/17/05 23:53:33 Jana_in_Indiana: De l, was the river you fished in named?  Some place we can look up?  My son is dying to know, LOL
07/17/05 23:53:34 del_SK_Canada: ROTFLOL right Sherry
07/17/05 23:53:35 sherry__(Mo): Will you be at Tuesday's chat?
07/17/05 23:54:43 del_SK_Canada: Mac arthur River it empties into Hudson Bay
07/17/05 23:55:01 sherry__(Mo): Take us with you next year!!
07/17/05 23:55:15 del_SK_Canada: ok
07/17/05 23:55:24 sherry__(Mo): (Doesn't hurt to dream!)
07/17/05 23:55:51 Jana_in_Indiana: take my son!  He's so jealous, I'm reading this to him
07/17/05 23:55:55 sherry__(Mo): How are you feeling Del?
07/17/05 23:56:01 sherry__(Mo): LOL Jana
07/17/05 23:56:26 del_SK_Canada: long as you do not mind the river boating to the camp really swift and you are going against the current to get there and rough water
07/17/05 23:56:38 del_SK_Canada: nothing has changed
07/17/05 23:56:43 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, not for me!
07/17/05 23:57:04 sherry__(Mo): Me neither Jana-I probably wouldn't make it back home!
07/17/05 23:57:22 del_SK_Canada: hide in the bottom of the boat LOL
07/17/05 23:57:38 Jana_in_Indiana: I cringe in pain when the kids bump my chair!
07/17/05 23:57:41 sherry__(Mo): I probably would!
07/17/05 23:57:57 Carolyn_in_CA: Do they have moose and other BIG animals up there?
07/17/05 23:58:10 sherry__(Mo): We sure missed you Del-but glad you had a good time
07/17/05 23:58:13 del_SK_Canada: we spent  10 days up there then back south to our usual camp grounds for the rest of the time
07/17/05 23:58:22 Jana_in_Indiana: De l, Tina said to tell you Hi for her, she's heading to bed & couldn't come back to chat
07/17/05 23:59:01 del_SK_Canada: every tues night I wondered how chat was going LOL and also every afternoon tipped a coffee  for each of you
07/17/05 23:59:09 sherry__(Mo): LOL
07/17/05 23:59:20 Jana_in_Indiana: awww shucks!  Thanks!  ;)
07/17/05 23:59:21 del_SK_Canada: tell her thanks
07/17/05 23:59:27 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
07/17/05 23:59:30 sherry__(Mo): Tony does great with chats!
07/17/05 23:59:38 Jana_in_Indiana: he sure did!
07/18/05 00:00:00 del_SK_Canada: we even say elk on their migration route waht a sight
07/18/05 00:00:04 Tony__IL: who's supposed to be in charge tonite?
07/18/05 00:00:13 Jana_in_Indiana: no one!  LOL
07/18/05 00:00:16 sherry__(Mo): LOL
07/18/05 00:00:22 Carolyn_in_CA: anarchy
07/18/05 00:00:25 del_SK_Canada: knew him  and the rest would do a great job
07/18/05 00:00:30 sherry__(Mo): I thought you were Tony-LOL
07/18/05 00:00:39 Tony__IL: that answers that question LOL
07/18/05 00:00:42 del_SK_Canada: you Tony
07/18/05 00:00:44 Jana_in_Indiana: it's called OPEN chat, cause we all open our mouths at once!  LOL
07/18/05 00:00:53 sherry__(Mo): Yep-that's us!!
07/18/05 00:01:04 del_SK_Canada: got that right jana
07/18/05 00:01:06 Carolyn_in_CA: I thought it was good tonight
07/18/05 00:01:06 Jana_in_Indiana: & we're open to any topic!
07/18/05 00:01:35 Jana_in_Indiana: guess I missed the topic part, too busy mixing soil
07/18/05 00:01:41 sherry__(Mo): LOL
07/18/05 00:01:54 Jana_in_Indiana: so what was the topic?
07/18/05 00:02:01 Tony__IL: didn't think there was one?
07/18/05 00:02:08 Carolyn_in_CA: What kinds of violets/violet is everyone's favorite
07/18/05 00:02:09 Jana_in_Indiana: :D
07/18/05 00:02:11 sherry__(Mo): I only stayed for a few minutes tonight
07/18/05 00:02:13 del_SK_Canada: I go to the hospital for  test on monday tuesday supposed to be home tuesday though  nothing to worry about
07/18/05 00:02:28 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, that's easy, which ever one is blooming the most right now!
07/18/05 00:02:32 sherry__(Mo): Good luck on the test Del!
07/18/05 00:02:36 del_SK_Canada: so hope to get to chat tuesday
07/18/05 00:02:40 sherry__(Mo): I agree Jana
07/18/05 00:02:46 Jana_in_Indiana: just routine tests De l?
07/18/05 00:02:49 Carolyn_in_CA: I like that answer, I feel the same way
07/18/05 00:02:51 Tony__IL: study hard for the tests
07/18/05 00:02:59 sherry__(Mo): LOL Tony
07/18/05 00:03:03 del_SK_Canada: its just testing on the kidney,s
07/18/05 00:03:15 Carolyn_in_CA: lol
07/18/05 00:03:19 del_SK_Canada: ok will do Tony
07/18/05 00:03:19 Jana_in_Indiana: well, just don't flunk the pee test!
07/18/05 00:03:32 del_SK_Canada: LOL
07/18/05 00:03:37 Jana_in_Indiana: is that judged on aim or distance?
07/18/05 00:03:43 sherry__(Mo): LOL
07/18/05 00:03:57 del_SK_Canada: no comment LOL
07/18/05 00:04:04 Tony__IL: you guys are terrible LOL
07/18/05 00:04:09 sherry__(Mo): Yep!!
07/18/05 00:04:12 Jana_in_Indiana: I wouldn't know, never competed!
07/18/05 00:04:50 Tony__IL: we'll have to sign you up J LOL
07/18/05 00:05:08 del_SK_Canada: so whats new with millies daughter i am still trying to catch up on messages
07/18/05 00:05:08 Jana_in_Indiana: I can't send your AV's now De l, too blasted hot here
07/18/05 00:05:28 del_SK_Canada: no sweat Jana when ever
07/18/05 00:05:34 sherry__(Mo): Hopefully in September Del
07/18/05 00:05:44 Jana_in_Indiana: nothing much yet, they did do surgery to repair her broken jaw
07/18/05 00:05:50 sherry__(Mo): They'd fry if we send anything now
07/18/05 00:06:18 Tony__IL: Millie hasn't commented for a week or so, but sounds like she's gaining
07/18/05 00:06:31 del_SK_Canada: nice surprise when i got home the bunch of leaves from rachel all have rooted and most have babies now  got them on the 2nd of june
07/18/05 00:06:41 sherry__(Mo): great!
07/18/05 00:06:50 del_SK_Canada: thats wonderful news then
07/18/05 00:06:58 Jana_in_Indiana: great!
07/18/05 00:07:30 Carolyn_in_CA: That' s nice to come home to
07/18/05 00:07:34 Jana_in_Indiana: she is moving her body, but not when asked to, so it's involuntary movement
07/18/05 00:07:34 del_SK_Canada: yes son did a  really great job looking after the violets never lost any
07/18/05 00:07:56 sherry__(Mo): good boy!
07/18/05 00:07:59 Jana_in_Indiana: that's amazing!  wish I had someone to keep them alive for a month!
07/18/05 00:08:07 Tony__IL: gee this is the latest I been up for a long time. Will call it quits. Later gang.
07/18/05 00:08:12 sherry__(Mo): same here Jana
07/18/05 00:08:21 sherry__(Mo): Night Tony!!
07/18/05 00:08:23 Carolyn_in_CA: I only have cats and possums that come in the windows
07/18/05 00:08:26 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Tony
07/18/05 00:08:27 Carolyn_in_CA: Bye Tony
07/18/05 00:08:31 del_SK_Canada: night Tony
07/18/05 00:08:36 Tony__IL Logs Out
07/18/05 00:08:48 del_SK_Canada: hows the pup doing Jana
07/18/05 00:09:07 Jana_in_Indiana: the 1 I got for Millie, she's a 'mudder' Millie says
07/18/05 00:09:21 del_SK_Canada: LOL
07/18/05 00:09:33 sherry__(Mo): I hate to go too-but still have laundry and dishes to do and want to get to the hospital early and try to catch the doctor when he makes his morning rounds
07/18/05 00:09:39 Jana_in_Indiana: as soon as she hears the irrigation system come on wants outside to dig in the mud, gets 5 or more baths a day!  LOL
07/18/05 00:09:52 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite sherry!
07/18/05 00:09:57 Carolyn_in_CA: Bye Sherry good luck
07/18/05 00:10:02 del_SK_Canada: is Rod in the hospital Sherry????
07/18/05 00:10:13 sherry__(Mo): See ya Tuesday night!! Yep, he is Del
07/18/05 00:10:19 del_SK_Canada: night Sherry
07/18/05 00:10:23 sherry__(Mo) Logs Out
07/18/05 00:10:42 Jana_in_Indiana: Rod isn't doing well, lost lots of weight
07/18/05 00:11:03 Carolyn_in_CA: It's so hard to be sick or have someone close who is
07/18/05 00:11:06 Jana_in_Indiana: De l, we now have a database on VR for prayer requests, Sherry posted there about Rod
07/18/05 00:11:16 Jana_in_Indiana: yes!
07/18/05 00:11:23 del_SK_Canada: sorry to hear that he has the same arthur as I have of the spine
07/18/05 00:11:43 Jana_in_Indiana: I think he has lots of other problems too De l
07/18/05 00:12:07 del_SK_Canada: I  will includ him along with millies  family
07/18/05 00:12:23 del_SK_Canada: yes so sherry says
07/18/05 00:12:24 Carolyn_in_CA: Me, too
07/18/05 00:13:01 Jana_in_Indiana: Rod is down to 95 lbs now
07/18/05 00:13:08 del_SK_Canada: doc told me I am supposed to start using a cane when ever I am out walking or shopping even
07/18/05 00:13:13 Carolyn_in_CA: Oh, no
07/18/05 00:13:31 Jana_in_Indiana: well if it help keeps you from falling, better do it!
07/18/05 00:13:43 Carolyn_in_CA: That's for sure
07/18/05 00:13:59 Jana_in_Indiana: I've had to use a walker when away from home for years, haven't fallen once since!
07/18/05 00:14:01 del_SK_Canada: at least he has not taken my driving the trunk away on me I am happy
07/18/05 00:14:13 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
07/18/05 00:14:24 del_SK_Canada: I keep mine in the truck Jana LOL
07/18/05 00:14:26 Jana_in_Indiana: understand!  I was worried about that too!
07/18/05 00:15:07 del_SK_Canada: he has  said I should not be driving
07/18/05 00:15:34 Jana_in_Indiana: oh no!  Just say you're not driving, the truck is!
07/18/05 00:15:38 Carolyn_in_CA: That's tough, but maybe with moderation
07/18/05 00:15:47 Jana_in_Indiana: you're just riding!
07/18/05 00:15:47 del_SK_Canada: guess that is what happens when we get old and cripbled up
07/18/05 00:16:16 del_SK_Canada: just drive during the day and if son is around he does the driving for me
07/18/05 00:16:22 Carolyn_in_CA: my 71 year old partner just had all kinds of stuff happen this year it's really hard for him
07/18/05 00:16:25 Jana_in_Indiana: it's the price we pay for not dying young!
07/18/05 00:17:04 del_SK_Canada: seems when we hit the 70,s things happen faster and more often it seems to me
07/18/05 00:17:12 Carolyn_in_CA: That what it seems
07/18/05 00:17:19 Jana_in_Indiana: I'm 51 & been using a walker for at least 10 years, LOL
07/18/05 00:17:39 Carolyn_in_CA: I'm 57 and no health problems so far, knock on wood
07/18/05 00:17:52 del_SK_Canada: well 12 years ago they told me I would be in a wheel chair in 5 to 7 years so i can now laugh at them
07/18/05 00:18:10 Jana_in_Indiana: just keep laughing!
07/18/05 00:18:14 del_SK_Canada: good for you Carolyn
07/18/05 00:18:27 Carolyn_in_CA: Well, you can't believe everything doctors tell you esp when they are discouraging
07/18/05 00:19:06 del_SK_Canada: for sure but  we do take more notice of what we do now
07/18/05 00:19:09 Jana_in_Indiana: I know that's true!
07/18/05 00:19:53 del_SK_Canada: I have to ride a cart when I play a round of golf now
07/18/05 00:20:10 Carolyn_in_CA: People who are sick are already at least a little depressed.  They need info, but I think you have to hope for the best or you'll be beaten like some are.
07/18/05 00:20:29 Carolyn_in_CA: I could never play golf too strenuous on the arms!
07/18/05 00:21:07 del_SK_Canada: keep your mind busy with a hobby and when you can go for  sight seeing walks even if they are short ones
07/18/05 00:21:19 Carolyn_in_CA: Yeah, like AV's!
07/18/05 00:21:33 del_SK_Canada: right on my theropy
07/18/05 00:21:38 Jana_in_Indiana: got to AV conventions!
07/18/05 00:21:57 Carolyn_in_CA: Yeah it really looked like fun  Where will it be next time?
07/18/05 00:22:19 del_SK_Canada: I am hoping we can go to it next year
07/18/05 00:22:23 Jana_in_Indiana: Minneapolis
07/18/05 00:22:31 Carolyn_in_CA: Far away
07/18/05 00:22:43 Jana_in_Indiana: Memorial Day Weekend'
07/18/05 00:22:53 Jana_in_Indiana: take a plane
07/18/05 00:22:55 del_SK_Canada: about 9 hour drive for me
07/18/05 00:23:00 Carolyn_in_CA: Do they have classes or just exhibits and sales?
07/18/05 00:23:22 del_SK_Canada: all you mentioned
07/18/05 00:23:23 Jana_in_Indiana: lots of presentations to attend, learn lots
07/18/05 00:23:36 Carolyn_in_CA: The travel and hotel and food are one thing, but the buying and buying and buying is probably a lot more costly!
07/18/05 00:23:48 Jana_in_Indiana: plus displays, sales, etc -- hope I never have to miss one, will fly to MN
07/18/05 00:23:55 Carolyn_in_CA: And a lot more fun
07/18/05 00:24:04 del_SK_Canada: take your banker secretary with you LOL
07/18/05 00:24:27 Carolyn_in_CA: Whose banker sec?  I don't have one
07/18/05 00:24:40 Jana_in_Indiana: won't be able to buy much, just what I can bring home on the plane :(
07/18/05 00:24:58 del_SK_Canada: in my case the wife she does still give me an allowance though LOL
07/18/05 00:25:01 Jana_in_Indiana: *I just had an idea!
07/18/05 00:25:13 Jana_in_Indiana: I CAN buy plants, & ship them to myself!!!!
07/18/05 00:25:13 Carolyn_in_CA: You'll find a way.  Can't you ship them or is it too hot?
07/18/05 00:25:19 del_SK_Canada: woods burning LOL
07/18/05 00:25:25 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
07/18/05 00:25:42 del_SK_Canada: best way to do it jana
07/18/05 00:26:25 Jana_in_Indiana: if I mailed them on Friday, I'd be home by the time they get here, huuummm, lots more thinking to do! ;)
07/18/05 00:26:50 del_SK_Canada: see the mind is  busy already LO:
07/18/05 00:26:54 Jana_in_Indiana: & find a post office closest to the hotel or maybe they'll take them?
07/18/05 00:27:28 Carolyn_in_CA: What about what you buy on the weekend?
07/18/05 00:27:41 del_SK_Canada: thats what I did when we went on our trip to the east coast 2 years ago worked great
07/18/05 00:28:09 Jana_in_Indiana: sales room opens Thurs AM, plenty of time to get everything you want and or need!
07/18/05 00:28:31 del_SK_Canada: or till you run out of plant money LOL
07/18/05 00:28:41 Carolyn_in_CA: But don't they restock and then you might see something irresistible when you swing by again?
07/18/05 00:28:42 Jana_in_Indiana: & by Sat, it was pretty picked over, & closed early
07/18/05 00:29:13 Jana_in_Indiana: didn't seem to, some of the leaves were in pretty bad shape by the last day
07/18/05 00:29:33 del_SK_Canada: you and Tony rent a van then you got lots of room and 2 drivers Jana
07/18/05 00:29:42 Carolyn_in_CA: Well, you're right that when you see what you want early, you know it won't be there later or it will have been touched by too many hands
07/18/05 00:29:54 Jana_in_Indiana: takes 10 hours to get to Tony's!
07/18/05 00:30:02 Jana_in_Indiana: from here
07/18/05 00:30:26 del_SK_Canada: oh I thought he came your way first
07/18/05 00:30:34 Jana_in_Indiana: might have been 12 hours, it was a long time
07/18/05 00:30:48 Jana_in_Indiana: no, I'm east & south of him
07/18/05 00:30:52 Carolyn_in_CA: Tony will pick us up at Chicago airport and we'll continue from there by car.  How far is Chicago from Minn?
07/18/05 00:31:13 Jana_in_Indiana: it's a long way!
07/18/05 00:31:16 del_SK_Canada: not sure
07/18/05 00:31:57 Carolyn_in_CA: Once I went to Duqusne, IL (southern part) and had to fly to St. Louis.  It was a long hot ride just in IL
07/18/05 00:32:09 del_SK_Canada: well i am getting hollered at  to go to bed  and it is after midnight here so will say night all
07/18/05 00:32:20 Carolyn_in_CA: Nite
07/18/05 00:32:22 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Del!
07/18/05 00:32:34 Jana_in_Indiana: Carolyn, I'm checking the milegae now
07/18/05 00:32:39 del_SK_Canada Logs Out
07/18/05 00:32:58 Jana_in_Indiana: 410 miles
07/18/05 00:33:09 Carolyn_in_CA: So, Jana thanks so much for all your help and input.  I noticed you put so many files on the VR site and that's great for newbiews like me
07/18/05 00:33:22 Jana_in_Indiana: you're welocme!
07/18/05 00:33:30 Jana_in_Indiana: dang fingers!
07/18/05 00:33:38 Carolyn_in_CA: 410 isn't so much, but it might not be worth driving for you if you can fly from Indiana
07/18/05 00:34:05 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, I wouldn't be able to walk after a ride that long, even with stops for rest
07/18/05 00:34:12 Carolyn_in_CA: Esp if car riding makes your back worse.  Need to save your strength for all that convention walking
07/18/05 00:34:20 Jana_in_Indiana: exactly!
07/18/05 00:35:11 Jana_in_Indiana: well, I have load of e-mails to reply to, should go for now
07/18/05 00:35:17 Carolyn_in_CA: My partner Milt has a vascular problem with his legs as well as back problems.  They recently decided no surgery for back (would have to fuse 5 cervical vert due to disc disintegration
07/18/05 00:35:23 Carolyn_in_CA: Yeah bye now
07/18/05 00:35:38 Carolyn_in_CA Logs Out
07/18/05 00:35:39 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, that's not good!
07/18/05 00:35:43 Jana_in_Indiana Logs Out