07/14/05 19:17:58 Janis_in_Okla Logs in [70.241.54.13]
07/14/05 19:18:11 Janis_in_Okla Logs Out
07/14/05 19:50:36 Tony__IL Logs in [207.43.75.34]
07/14/05 19:50:49 Tony__IL Logs in [207.43.75.34]
07/14/05 19:56:34 Jana_in_Indiana Logs in [172.147.48.161]
07/14/05 19:56:56 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Tony!
07/14/05 19:56:59 Tony__IL: Hi Jana, guess the storms passed
07/14/05 19:57:14 Jana_in_Indiana: got power back about 45 minutes ago, also reminded Tina
07/14/05 19:57:25 Tony__IL: good
07/14/05 19:57:43 Jana_in_Indiana: I don't think it was the storms, no lightening or anything, but I don't have a clue what happened either, LOL
07/14/05 19:58:11 Tony__IL: wish you could send us the rain
07/14/05 19:58:36 Clare_KS Logs in [65.26.138.20]
07/14/05 19:58:42 Clare_KS: Hello
07/14/05 19:58:43 Tony__IL: hi Clare
07/14/05 19:59:01 Tom_in_WI Logs in [24.208.8.222]
07/14/05 19:59:02 Tony__IL: you gonna post this chat Jana
07/14/05 19:59:14 Clare_KS: I joined the Love for Wasps list, but there doesn't seem to be any mail...?
07/14/05 19:59:30 Tony__IL: hi Tom Hope you learn all about hybrids tonite
07/14/05 19:59:46 Tom_in_WI: Me too!
07/14/05 19:59:49 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Clare & Tom
07/14/05 19:59:59 Tom_in_WI: Hi!
07/14/05 20:00:04 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, I'll post this chat
07/14/05 20:00:38 Jana_in_Indiana: Tom here's the link everyone was checking out: www.rainbowviolets.com
07/14/05 20:01:01 net4tmi Logs in [12.77.47.47]
07/14/05 20:01:05 Jana_in_Indiana: it's a slow posting group Clare
07/14/05 20:01:09 Tom_in_WI: Your too late. . . been there and sent a check!
07/14/05 20:01:13 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi net!  Real name please?
07/14/05 20:01:23 net4tmi: Kimberly
07/14/05 20:01:26 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL  Tom!
07/14/05 20:01:30 net4tmi: Hi how are you?
07/14/05 20:01:31 Tony__IL: Hi Kimberly
07/14/05 20:01:32 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi kimberly!
07/14/05 20:01:45 Clare_KS: I just ordered way too many from Bloomin' Jungle. I'm afraid to order more!
07/14/05 20:02:00 Jana_in_Indiana: next time you can just sign in with your name & state
07/14/05 20:02:06 Clare_KS: I just broke the news to my husband that I need another set of shelves and lights
07/14/05 20:02:12 Jana_in_Indiana: me too Clare -- 60!
07/14/05 20:02:13 net4tmi: Thanks!
07/14/05 20:02:37 Clare_KS: wow, Jana, you beat me, then.
07/14/05 20:02:42 Jana_in_Indiana: is this your first chat Kimberly?  May we call you Kim?  We don't type fast or well, LOL
07/14/05 20:02:47 Clare_KS: What do you do with all the plants?
07/14/05 20:03:00 Jana_in_Indiana: SHARE THE JOY!  LOL!@
07/14/05 20:03:44 net4tmi: I've attended chats a long time ago, before Kira was born.  I still feel kinda new.  I don't go by Kim, sorry, I know it's more convenient.
07/14/05 20:04:12 Okie Logs in [68.12.41.9]
07/14/05 20:04:22 Tony__IL: hi Okie
07/14/05 20:04:25 Jana_in_Indiana: but I HAD to do it Clare, I have this seedling tray that holds 72 leaves & it only has about 15 leaves in it, all that space is going to waste!  :D
07/14/05 20:04:30 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Okie!
07/14/05 20:04:31 Okie: Hi all, boy everyone got here early tonight
07/14/05 20:04:33 Walt_in_MD Logs in [24.35.119.251]
07/14/05 20:04:42 Clare_KS: Oh,good one, Jana!
07/14/05 20:04:43 Tony__IL: hi Walt
07/14/05 20:04:47 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, then Kimberly it is!
07/14/05 20:04:50 Walt_in_MD: Hi All
07/14/05 20:04:51 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Walt!
07/14/05 20:04:58 net4tmi: Hi Okie, Hi Walt!
07/14/05 20:05:05 Okie: What did you do Jana
07/14/05 20:05:06 net4tmi: Thanks Jana!
07/14/05 20:05:16 Okie: Hi Net, Walt
07/14/05 20:05:22 Jana_in_Indiana: ordered 60 leaves, ;)
07/14/05 20:05:32 Okie: :?
07/14/05 20:05:34 Jana_in_Indiana: net = Kimberly
07/14/05 20:05:57 net4tmi: Sorry, I didn't know I should have signed in with my real name.
07/14/05 20:06:06 Clare_KS: Kimberly, where are you from?
07/14/05 20:06:12 Tony__IL: next time is OK
07/14/05 20:06:14 net4tmi: MD.
07/14/05 20:06:15 Okie: Hi Kimberly, watch out they will shorten your name quick :p
07/14/05 20:06:20 Jana_in_Indiana: it's no probllem you can use your name next time, where are you from Kimberly?
07/14/05 20:06:37 Jana_in_Indiana: no we can't Charlene, she doesn't go by Kim!
07/14/05 20:06:37 net4tmi: We've already discussed Kim vs KImberly
07/14/05 20:06:53 Tom_in_WI: How about K
07/14/05 20:07:03 net4tmi: I won't get to upset if you slip and K is fine
07/14/05 20:07:04 Walt_in_MD: Kimberly, where in MD, me Glen Burnie
07/14/05 20:07:23 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, another MD resident!
07/14/05 20:07:26 net4tmi: Walt, we emailed before.  I'm in Severn by Arundel mills.
07/14/05 20:07:30 Okie: See Kimberly, my real name is Charlene but we had to shorten it because I ask too many questions :(  :(
07/14/05 20:07:36 Jana_in_Indiana: lol
07/14/05 20:07:41 net4tmi: LOL
07/14/05 20:08:05 Jana_in_Indiana: no Okie, it's because we're such terrible typists!  ;)
07/14/05 20:08:10 Okie: lol
07/14/05 20:08:13 net4tmi: lol
07/14/05 20:08:29 Okie: Where's Tina?
07/14/05 20:08:30 Tina Logs in [67.176.91.232]
07/14/05 20:08:39 Clare_KS: So where's the guest of honor? I turn into a pumpkin at 9, don't want to miss anything :)
07/14/05 20:08:40 net4tmi: There she is. Hi Tina!
07/14/05 20:08:40 Okie: Hi Tina
07/14/05 20:08:43 Walt_in_MD: Greetings Tina
07/14/05 20:08:46 Jana_in_Indiana: we could call her Doc -- she's from MD & that stands for medical doctor!  LOL!
07/14/05 20:08:47 Tina: Hello All had trouble getting in
07/14/05 20:08:49 Tony__IL: question asked and answered
07/14/05 20:08:49 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Tina!
07/14/05 20:08:52 Tony__IL: Hi Tina
07/14/05 20:09:07 Jana_in_Indiana: we'll post the chat log Clare
07/14/05 20:09:17 net4tmi: Or my initials is KYK
07/14/05 20:09:24 Jana_in_Indiana: so you can catch up on anything you miss
07/14/05 20:09:32 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, great KYK!
07/14/05 20:10:13 Cathy Logs in [172.141.252.129]
07/14/05 20:10:17 Jana_in_Indiana: we're going to pick Tina's brain on hybridizing tonight!
07/14/05 20:10:18 Okie: Hi Cathy
07/14/05 20:10:20 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Cathy!
07/14/05 20:10:25 net4tmi: Hi Cathy!
07/14/05 20:10:38 Cathy: hi
07/14/05 20:10:39 Okie: Man Tina you drew a full house :p
07/14/05 20:10:46 Cathy: thanks, my first time here
07/14/05 20:10:55 Jana_in_Indiana: Tina recently introduced 5 wasp hybrids she herself hybridized!  She sells them on ebay as Gecko2T
07/14/05 20:10:58 Okie: Where you from Cathy?
07/14/05 20:11:03 Tom_in_WI: Tina - Hi!  Before we get going would you contact Lynn and tell her what information would be useful in regards to hybridizing.  I think she is going to add a hybridizng section to the database
07/14/05 20:11:06 Cathy: I'm from Ohio
07/14/05 20:11:13 Jana_in_Indiana: welcome to your first ever chat Cathy!
07/14/05 20:11:22 Cathy: Thanks
07/14/05 20:11:32 Cathy: Tina'a plants are so very lovely
07/14/05 20:11:40 Cathy: I had to stop by
07/14/05 20:11:40 Tina: Yes I can hep have her email me at Gecko2T@aol.com Tom
07/14/05 20:11:54 Jana_in_Indiana: any questions you need answered quickly before we begin Cathy?
07/14/05 20:12:22 Cathy: Jana, can't think of any right now, thanks.. I'm just going to watch
07/14/05 20:12:26 Cathy: tu
07/14/05 20:12:36 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, jump in whenever you'd like Cathy!
07/14/05 20:12:49 Tony__IL: how many plants did you have to toss before you got the 5?
07/14/05 20:13:55 Jana_in_Indiana: Tina, I think it's wonderful that you're hybridizing to get something 'specific', not just another named AV that looks like many others!
07/14/05 20:14:12 net4tmi: I second that!
07/14/05 20:14:33 Okie: How do you hybridize specifically for wasps?
07/14/05 20:14:41 Okie: What do you have to do different?
07/14/05 20:15:02 Walt_in_MD: How many crosses were you doing at the same time?
07/14/05 20:16:32 Tina Logs Out
07/14/05 20:16:48 Okie: Did we ask too many questions LOL
07/14/05 20:16:53 Tom_in_WI: Too many questions???!!!
07/14/05 20:17:02 Okie: We scared her off
07/14/05 20:17:11 Clare_KS: She got stage fright :)
07/14/05 20:17:14 Walt_in_MD: I think Tina is either having problems or we chased her off
07/14/05 20:17:18 net4tmi: I bet she just was kicked off or something
07/14/05 20:17:18 tee7202_IL Logs in [67.184.133.223]
07/14/05 20:17:21 Okie: Jana didn't you worn her :p
07/14/05 20:17:28 Clare_KS: She said she was having problems getting on.
07/14/05 20:17:44 Tony__IL: hi Tee
07/14/05 20:17:45 Jana_in_Indiana: Tina had to shut down one computer & start up another, it wasn't working right, she'll be right back
07/14/05 20:17:48 Okie: Hi Jane, I think???
07/14/05 20:17:58 tee7202_IL: Hello
07/14/05 20:18:10 Okie: Is it Jane?
07/14/05 20:18:14 Jana_in_Indiana: ok tee, remind us of your name?
07/14/05 20:18:18 tee7202_IL: Tonya
07/14/05 20:18:33 Okie: Ok sorry bout that Tonya welcome
07/14/05 20:18:37 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks!  Memory isn't what it used to be, :?
07/14/05 20:18:44 net4tmi: hi tonya
07/14/05 20:18:45 Okie: lol
07/14/05 20:18:54 Jana_in_Indiana: welcome Tonya!
07/14/05 20:19:00 tee7202_IL: Thats ok I am horrible with names as well
07/14/05 20:19:17 Jana_in_Indiana: just don't want anyone to be offended!
07/14/05 20:19:39 Jana_in_Indiana: net4tmi is Kimberly, or KTK
07/14/05 20:20:11 Jana_in_Indiana: any questions while we wait for Tina?
07/14/05 20:20:47 Clare_KS: Where did the first wasps come from? Was it a purposeful hybridization?
07/14/05 20:21:04 Jana_in_Indiana: you can take that one Mr T!  LOL
07/14/05 20:21:37 tee7202_IL Logs Out
07/14/05 20:21:39 Jana_in_Indiana: I honestly don't know, sorry!  My guess is it was a sport
07/14/05 20:21:49 Tina Logs in [67.176.91.232]
07/14/05 20:21:54 Jana_in_Indiana: WB Tina!
07/14/05 20:21:57 tee7202_IL Logs in [67.184.133.223]
07/14/05 20:22:04 Jana_in_Indiana: Welcome back Tonya!
07/14/05 20:22:05 Walt_in_MD: Sport or dumb luck
07/14/05 20:22:06 tee7202_IL: oops
07/14/05 20:22:17 Tina: Sorry all my computer froze so I had to change computers
07/14/05 20:22:24 Tina: I am all set now ask a way
07/14/05 20:22:33 Jana_in_Indiana: Tina, Clare asked : V
07/14/05 20:22:36 Tony__IL: where did the first wasp come froM?
07/14/05 20:22:48 Jana_in_Indiana: Where did the first wasps come from? Was it a purposeful hybridization?
07/14/05 20:23:07 Jana_in_Indiana: we understand Tina, no problem!
07/14/05 20:23:43 Tina: it was a sport of purple prince that Mrs Hotchkiss found and gave to Jimmy Dates that was called bustles
07/14/05 20:24:01 Jana_in_Indiana: I knew she's know!  Thanks Tina!
07/14/05 20:24:07 Jana_in_Indiana: she'd*
07/14/05 20:24:31 Walt_in_MD: How many crosses did you have going at the same time?
07/14/05 20:24:41 Jana_in_Indiana: is 'Bustles' still available now?  Or since lost?
07/14/05 20:25:11 Tina: well the first time just one Tom
07/14/05 20:25:21 Tina: This time I have 3 different ones I am working with
07/14/05 20:25:35 Tina: no bustles is not available that I know of
07/14/05 20:25:37 Okie: Tina, how do you selectively hybridize for wasps, what do you do differently from normal hybridizing?
07/14/05 20:26:45 Tina: I basically throw out all the plants that don't bloom as a wasp
07/14/05 20:27:08 Tina: you have to use at least one wasp in the cross to get wasps
07/14/05 20:27:17 Tom_in_WI: Tina, are you saying that you got your five release from one crossing??
07/14/05 20:27:42 Brenda_Al Logs in [12.217.40.181]
07/14/05 20:27:53 Okie: Hi Brenda
07/14/05 20:27:54 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Brenda!
07/14/05 20:28:04 Cathy: Hi Brenda
07/14/05 20:28:07 Walt_in_MD: Sorry to miss this TINA, got to go. Night All
07/14/05 20:28:09 Brenda_Al: hey everyone
07/14/05 20:28:10 JaggedRainbows Logs in [71.3.43.167]
07/14/05 20:28:21 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Amanda!
07/14/05 20:28:22 net4tmi: Good Night Walt
07/14/05 20:28:27 Walt_in_MD Logs Out
07/14/05 20:28:27 Tina: hello brenda
07/14/05 20:28:28 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Walt!
07/14/05 20:28:31 JaggedRainbows: Hello Jana :)
07/14/05 20:28:49 Tina: yes Tom I did there were over a hundred seedlings in that cross
07/14/05 20:28:51 Jana_in_Indiana: it IS Amanda, right?
07/14/05 20:29:00 Tina: sorry walt
07/14/05 20:29:06 JaggedRainbows: lol.. yes! good memory :)
07/14/05 20:29:10 net4tmi Logs Out
07/14/05 20:29:19 Tom_in_WI: That's unbelieveable!!
07/14/05 20:29:47 Jana_in_Indiana: not that good, it was just earlier today, LOL
07/14/05 20:30:01 Tom_in_WI: How many pod for the 100 seedlings?
07/14/05 20:30:38 Tina: oh can very from few to hundreds the seeds literally look like dust
07/14/05 20:30:48 KYK_MD Logs in [12.77.47.47]
07/14/05 20:30:51 Tina: that was 1 seed pod Tom
07/14/05 20:31:09 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi KYK!
07/14/05 20:31:18 Clare_KS: Tina, what do you sow your seeds in? What mix?
07/14/05 20:31:22 Tom_in_WI: Does a cross ever produce more than one pod??
07/14/05 20:31:24 KYK_MD: Hi Jana,  Got disconnected.
07/14/05 20:31:30 tee7202_IL Logs Out
07/14/05 20:31:45 Tina: The crosses I have done now started out with over 300 seedlings not sure what I am down to now probably under 50
07/14/05 20:31:46 tee7202_IL Logs in [67.184.133.223]
07/14/05 20:31:52 JaggedRainbows: thats something I've wondered before tom
07/14/05 20:32:07 Tina: It can Tom if you pollinate more than one bloom
07/14/05 20:32:14 Jana_in_Indiana: Welcome back Tonya!
07/14/05 20:32:31 tee7202_IL: sorry
07/14/05 20:32:51 Jana_in_Indiana: nothing to be sorry for!
07/14/05 20:32:57 Tom_in_WI: So it's one pod per blossom?
07/14/05 20:33:07 Tina: Yes one pod per blossom
07/14/05 20:33:23 Tina: Unless it is a fluke and you get 2 but I have never seen it
07/14/05 20:33:25 Cathy: are wasps relativly new?
07/14/05 20:33:34 Tina: no
07/14/05 20:33:48 Tina: the first one discoverd was in 1954
07/14/05 20:33:51 Jana_in_Indiana: you would need 2 ovaries per blossom to get 2 seed pods
07/14/05 20:33:58 Cathy: great year..lol
07/14/05 20:34:04 Tina: first one registerd was 1964
07/14/05 20:34:37 Jana_in_Indiana: Tina is our resident wasp expert!
07/14/05 20:34:56 Tina: LOL not sure about that LOL
07/14/05 20:35:13 JaggedRainbows: oh wasps are my favority type of blooms..
07/14/05 20:35:31 Tina: Mine too  :)
07/14/05 20:36:05 Tina: now going to work on a nice vine type trailer
07/14/05 20:36:20 Jana_in_Indiana: & maybe a variegated wasp?
07/14/05 20:36:25 JaggedRainbows Logs Out
07/14/05 20:36:51 Cathy: Tina, what colors did you use to get your Lady Vespa? It's so beautiful!
07/14/05 20:37:06 Tina: yes that too just have to find the plants I want to use for parents as it is best to use a trailer and a variegated plant as the seed parent
07/14/05 20:37:13 Tina: would like to do a mosiac also
07/14/05 20:37:17 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
07/14/05 20:37:29 KYK_MD: I love mosaic varig.
07/14/05 20:37:44 Jana_in_Indiana: me too!
07/14/05 20:37:52 tee7202_IL: Do you have a website with pictures that we can see?
07/14/05 20:38:01 Okie: Gotta go, I will check this out on list Tina, thanks for being here tonight
07/14/05 20:38:06 Tina: Cathy you won't know what you get until the blooms open both parents in this case were blue and I got all sorts of colors
07/14/05 20:38:16 Okie Logs Out
07/14/05 20:38:27 Tina: yes www.picturetrail.com/Gecko2T
07/14/05 20:38:35 Tom_in_WI: why did you pick them??
07/14/05 20:38:39 Tina: night Okie
07/14/05 20:38:46 Clare_KS: I'll read the transcript, have to get to bed...thanks, Tina!
07/14/05 20:38:50 Clare_KS Logs Out
07/14/05 20:38:54 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Clare!
07/14/05 20:39:05 Jana_in_Indiana: darn!  They leave too fast!
07/14/05 20:39:36 tee7202_IL Logs Out
07/14/05 20:39:40 tee7202_IL Logs in [67.184.133.223]
07/14/05 20:39:42 Tina: To be honest I was interested in hybridizing wasps and just crossed 2 plants as an experiement.  I actually wanted a edged wasp.  I did not get the edge as you see
07/14/05 20:39:48 Tina: night clare
07/14/05 20:39:52 Jana_in_Indiana: Welcome Back Tonya!
07/14/05 20:40:04 Tina: I picked a edged blossom and a wasp
07/14/05 20:40:07 tee7202_IL: that was the fourth time
07/14/05 20:40:16 Tina: good experiement huh?  Now I am hooked
07/14/05 20:40:38 Jana_in_Indiana: sorry Tonya, do you know why you're getting booted?
07/14/05 20:40:52 Cathy: Tina, are both parents wasps?
07/14/05 20:41:00 Tom_in_WI: I've always been curious about how one picks the parents.  Apparently there is no rym or reason to it!
07/14/05 20:41:03 Tina: you never know what colors you may get because you don't know all the recessive/dominant gene combinations that can occur
07/14/05 20:41:16 tee7202_IL: Well I was trying to float and I dont know what I am doing
07/14/05 20:41:23 Tina: no just one Cathy the other was a pansy with a white edge
07/14/05 20:41:54 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, that float thing boots me every time!
07/14/05 20:41:58 Cathy: sounds like you have fun doing this Tina
07/14/05 20:42:29 Tina: well There is Tom there are dominant and recessive traits violets carry and you can pick for a certain trait and then pick potential parents to try to acheive that goal
07/14/05 20:43:28 Cathy: Jana, are you one of the three sisters?
07/14/05 20:43:49 Tina: The wasp trait is dominant so you know at least some of the plants will be wasp
07/14/05 20:43:58 Jana_in_Indiana: LOl  , no, the three sisters are group, VR, VVV & LFW
07/14/05 20:44:16 Cathy: lol... not real sisters?
07/14/05 20:44:24 Jana_in_Indiana: yahoo groups, not real sisters
07/14/05 20:44:29 Tina: Cathy The three sisters are the 3 groups VR owned by Rachel, VVV owned by Millie and LFW owned by myself
07/14/05 20:44:30 Cathy: lol
07/14/05 20:44:37 Tina: no not real sisters LOL
07/14/05 20:44:47 Cathy: I thougth there were real sisters
07/14/05 20:44:56 Cathy: Jana Rachel and Millie
07/14/05 20:45:09 Jana_in_Indiana: adopted sisters maybe?  They adopted each other!
07/14/05 20:45:17 Tony__IL: how long and how do you save pollen?
07/14/05 20:45:18 KYK_MD: What is VVV?
07/14/05 20:45:20 Jana_in_Indiana: no, Love for wasps is owned my Tina,
07/14/05 20:45:20 Tom_in_WI: They AREN"T sister??
07/14/05 20:45:21 Tina: Yes Rachel, Millie and I are good friends
07/14/05 20:45:31 Jana_in_Indiana: Variegated Violet Village
07/14/05 20:45:46 KYK_MD: Thanks Jana!
07/14/05 20:45:50 Jana_in_Indiana: welcome!
07/14/05 20:46:01 Cathy: I love the variegated violets
07/14/05 20:46:11 KYK_MD: me 2!
07/14/05 20:46:20 Cathy: is there a variegated wasp?
07/14/05 20:46:21 Tina: Well it is probably best used fresh but I am not sure anyone has figured out exactly how long it will store.  I would say a year or so
07/14/05 20:46:41 Tina: there are a few but not quite like the regular wasps
07/14/05 20:46:46 Jana_in_Indiana: keep it in frig or where Tina?
07/14/05 20:47:16 Tina: yes you can but I just keep mine in tiny little plastic like vials in a drawer LOL
07/14/05 20:47:43 Tina: make sure the pollen has dried well first or it will mold
07/14/05 20:47:55 Jana_in_Indiana: do you store it in the anthers or out of them as pollen?
07/14/05 20:48:17 Tina: I store the whole yellow part the anthers
07/14/05 20:48:28 Jana_in_Indiana: ok thanks!
07/14/05 20:48:44 Jana_in_Indiana: how do you apply the pollen?
07/14/05 20:49:22 Tina: I take and break up an anther with a finger nail and just use my finger nail you can use tweezers etc if you want
07/14/05 20:49:42 KYK_MD: How do you know when the pollen is ready to be used?
07/14/05 20:51:21 Tina: you want to find a nice glistening pistal then it is sticky and ready
07/14/05 20:51:41 Jana_in_Indiana: how long does it take to know the cross has taken?
07/14/05 20:51:46 Tina: well I just go by whether it is sort of powdery or not
07/14/05 20:51:54 Tom_in_WI: I am confused. . .   is the seed pod and the anthher the same???
07/14/05 20:51:54 Tina: just a couple of weeks or so
07/14/05 20:52:26 Tina: no the anther is another term for pollen sac
07/14/05 20:52:34 Tony__IL: seed pod is Mom and anther is Dad
07/14/05 20:52:43 Tina: they little yellow thing in the flower
07/14/05 20:53:12 Tom_in_WI: So whty are we storying the anther?  What am I missing?
07/14/05 20:53:58 Tony__IL: may have pollen from a plant and the other plant has not blossomed yet
07/14/05 20:53:59 Jana_in_Indiana: saving the pollen that's in the anther, for later use, in case the 2 AV's you want to cross are not blooming at the same time
07/14/05 20:54:14 Storm Logs in [67.34.63.139]
07/14/05 20:54:16 Tina: say you want to use  a certain plant in a cross but the other plant you want to cross it with is not in bloom well you can save the pollen and use it when the other plant blooms
07/14/05 20:54:29 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Storm!  Lynn
07/14/05 20:54:38 Brenda_Al: nite all
07/14/05 20:54:41 Tom_in_WI: Now that makes since!!
07/14/05 20:54:42 Brenda_Al Logs Out
07/14/05 20:54:43 Tina: Hi storm
07/14/05 20:54:45 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Brenda!
07/14/05 20:55:06 Storm: Hi All...Lynn in Ball Ground here.
07/14/05 20:56:00 Tony__IL: what is the F1, the first generation?
07/14/05 20:56:07 Tina: once you get a seed pod it will need to mature for anywhere from 4-6 months on the plants or it may not be viable seed
07/14/05 20:56:18 Tina: Yes that would be the first generation
07/14/05 20:56:27 Jana_in_Indiana: for everyone's information, there are lists of dominant & recessive traits in the files, from Dr Jeff Smith
07/14/05 20:56:38 Tony__IL: why would you cross the F1 with one of the parents
07/14/05 20:57:05 Tina: to try to bring out a recessive trait
07/14/05 20:57:12 Tony__IL: ok
07/14/05 20:57:31 Tina: say you want a trailer it is best to use a trailer for the seed parent then take one of the nicer
07/14/05 20:57:53 Tina: F1 and cross it back to the seed parent to bring out the trailing trait more
07/14/05 20:58:29 Tony__IL: seed parent being the Mom?
07/14/05 20:58:35 Jana_in_Indiana: so it brings out the recessive traits of the seed parent
07/14/05 20:58:49 Tina: yes the plant that carries the seed pod
07/14/05 20:59:09 Tina: it will bring out the recessive trait for both
07/14/05 20:59:16 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
07/14/05 20:59:37 sherry__(Mo) Logs in [172.170.56.163]
07/14/05 20:59:44 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Sherry!
07/14/05 20:59:45 Tony__IL: hi Sherry
07/14/05 20:59:52 Tina: to get  a recessive gene to come out 2 recessive genes need to combine and you get a better chance if you cross 2 you know carry that recessive gene
07/14/05 21:00:06 sherry__(Mo): Hi-sorry I'm so late!
07/14/05 21:00:11 Tina: hello sherry
07/14/05 21:00:34 sherry__(Mo): Hi Tina!
07/14/05 21:00:55 Jana_in_Indiana: no need to apologize Sherry!  WE know your life is hectic now -- the chat log will be posted so you can read what you missed
07/14/05 21:01:04 sherry__(Mo): Thanks Jana!!
07/14/05 21:01:12 KYK_MD: where will the chat be posted?
07/14/05 21:01:17 Jana_in_Indiana: welcome!
07/14/05 21:01:25 Tina: What else would inquiring minds want to know LOL
07/14/05 21:01:32 Jana_in_Indiana: in the files of VR, in the chat logs folder
07/14/05 21:01:53 KYK_MD: Tina any recommendations on how to get started
07/14/05 21:01:59 Jana_in_Indiana: then look for the Thursday chat log sub-file
07/14/05 21:02:29 Tina: well read what you can on hybridizing and see if you can get seeds to experiment with to get to germinate and grow
07/14/05 21:02:29 KYK_MD: Thanks Jana!  Can I look if I don't belong to VR?
07/14/05 21:02:50 Jana_in_Indiana: can you remind us about humidity & increasing the hormone levels, more seed pods per plant or something?
07/14/05 21:03:03 Tina: You want to creat a violet that does not alread exist or that is improved
07/14/05 21:03:11 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, no, need to be a member of VR, which group are you a member of -- I'll post it there too
07/14/05 21:03:25 Tina: I pollenat at many blossoms per stalk as I can
07/14/05 21:03:34 KYK_MD: LFW
07/14/05 21:03:50 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, I'll put in there too, with tina's permission?
07/14/05 21:03:51 Tina: I wick water with egg crates so I don't do anything different with humidity
07/14/05 21:04:10 KYK_MD: Thanks again Jana!
07/14/05 21:04:12 Tina: yes that is find Jana
07/14/05 21:04:41 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, I'll do it, but the log doesn't come till way past midnight, so look for it tomorrow
07/14/05 21:04:51 Tony__IL: what about hormone levels?
07/14/05 21:05:00 Tina: Hmm not sure which group probably Vr there should be in the files list of the dominant and recessive traits by Jeff Smith
07/14/05 21:05:40 KYK_MD: I guess I better join VR then
07/14/05 21:05:43 Tina: Tony I think by getting more seed pods on one bloom stalk it may increase the hormones and increase the chances of getting mature seed pods
07/14/05 21:05:57 Jana_in_Indiana: the list is also on VVV, dominant & recessive traits
07/14/05 21:05:58 Tony__IL: ok
07/14/05 21:05:59 Tina: I can find and post in LFW
07/14/05 21:06:21 KYK_MD: That would be great Tina!
07/14/05 21:06:23 Tony__IL: knew about them hormone levels, but not in violets LOL
07/14/05 21:06:34 Tina: Just remind me if I forget please
07/14/05 21:06:45 KYK_MD: No problem!
07/14/05 21:07:01 Tina: well I am not sure they really know if hormones are involved or if it is a theory
07/14/05 21:07:07 Tom_in_WI Logs Out
07/14/05 21:07:31 Storm Logs Out
07/14/05 21:07:39 Jana_in_Indiana: oops!  I goofed!  The dominant & recessive traits are in the files of VR & VVV under hybridizing
07/14/05 21:07:45 Tina: oh no they are all getting booted I think
07/14/05 21:08:22 Tony__IL: Tina, what got you started in the hybridizing?
07/14/05 21:08:27 Tina: if you want to hybridize you need to learn to throw violets out though LOL
07/14/05 21:08:32 Jana_in_Indiana: don't think they're being booted, so far no one ever has
07/14/05 21:08:53 Jana_in_Indiana: good point Tina!  Culling is hard to do sometimes
07/14/05 21:09:07 sherry__(Mo): Oh Tina!! But it does get easier with time
07/14/05 21:09:09 Tina: It was something I was intersted in and just tried crossing a couple as an experiement that ended up working LOL
07/14/05 21:09:23 KYK_MD: I'm a born pack rat, so I will have to learn to do that.
07/14/05 21:09:27 Tina: well yes and no but if you dont you will be drowning
07/14/05 21:09:33 Jana_in_Indiana: do you win at casinos & lotteries too?
07/14/05 21:09:38 Tina: I do it when they are little LOL
07/14/05 21:09:48 Tony__IL: wondered if you had a background in Botany or something?
07/14/05 21:10:04 sherry__(Mo): I hope I get the time amd room to try it sometime
07/14/05 21:10:07 Jana_in_Indiana: when do you do your 1st cull?
07/14/05 21:10:22 Tina: nope not at all just have learned from reading various articles and I am in a hybridizing on line group that I learn from also
07/14/05 21:11:12 Tony__IL: send Jana a leaf and she can do cultures to reporduce them for you.
07/14/05 21:11:26 Tina: well for me I stick the seedlings in small 1 oz cups to force them to get root bound and bloom sooner.  I throw out all the ones that do not have wasp blossoms
07/14/05 21:11:35 Jana_in_Indiana: is it an AV hybridizing group or all plants in general?
07/14/05 21:11:45 Tina: just for AV's
07/14/05 21:11:53 Jana_in_Indiana: so first cull is after first bloom, right?
07/14/05 21:11:57 Tina: and maybe other gesneriads
07/14/05 21:12:07 Jana_in_Indiana: cool!  is it a yahoo group?
07/14/05 21:12:09 Tina: for me it is yes because I only want wasps
07/14/05 21:12:20 Tina: yes let me get then whole name for you all
07/14/05 21:12:27 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks!
07/14/05 21:12:29 KYK_MD: I thought that the first blooms are not always accurate.
07/14/05 21:12:51 Tina: the only thing is you have to join the bigger group first I think
07/14/05 21:12:52 Jana_in_Indiana: color isn't alway accurate, but a wasp will always be a wasp
07/14/05 21:13:05 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, AVC?
07/14/05 21:13:13 Tina: the type of blossom should be accurate
07/14/05 21:13:16 Tina: no AVI
07/14/05 21:13:25 Tony__IL: if you're looking for wasps, you are looking at the foliage, not the blooms, right?
07/14/05 21:13:26 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, ok
07/14/05 21:13:35 KYK_MD: gotcha
07/14/05 21:13:41 Tina: no semidouble and double maybe harder to tell first bloom
07/14/05 21:14:10 sherry__(Mo): I wish more hybridizers were a little more picky about what they produce, like you are Tina
07/14/05 21:14:19 Jana_in_Indiana: me too!
07/14/05 21:14:32 KYK_MD: so if I was trying for fantasy or color specific I should wait until at least the second bloom?
07/14/05 21:15:01 Tony__IL: do you have to get permission from the hybridizers of both parent to register the plant?
07/14/05 21:15:24 Tina: well fantasy should bloom true the first bloom or it maybe unstable and you wont want to mess with it
07/14/05 21:15:54 KYK_MD: Oh OK
07/14/05 21:16:05 Janis_in_Okla Logs in [70.241.54.13]
07/14/05 21:16:09 Tina: specific color should hopefully do the same
07/14/05 21:16:16 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Janis!
07/14/05 21:16:29 Tony__IL: hi Janis
07/14/05 21:16:38 Janis_in_Okla: Hi Jana and tony
07/14/05 21:16:49 KYK_MD: hi janis
07/14/05 21:16:54 Janis_in_Okla: sorry I'm late....went for a walk
07/14/05 21:17:06 Jana_in_Indiana: no problem
07/14/05 21:17:10 sherry__(Mo): Hi Janis
07/14/05 21:17:10 Janis_in_Okla: Hi KYK
07/14/05 21:17:15 Janis_in_Okla: Hi sherry
07/14/05 21:17:21 tee7202_IL: night all
07/14/05 21:17:27 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite
07/14/05 21:17:28 Janis_in_Okla: awww nite tee
07/14/05 21:17:32 Tony__IL: nite tanya
07/14/05 21:17:34 tee7202_IL Logs Out
07/14/05 21:17:58 Tina: night Tanya
07/14/05 21:18:29 Cathy: Jana and Tina, I need to get some sleep.. great chat
07/14/05 21:18:31 Cathy: thanks
07/14/05 21:18:38 Cathy: night
07/14/05 21:18:39 Jana_in_Indiana: Tina, any special tips or tricks you could share with us?
07/14/05 21:18:40 Janis_in_Okla: nite Cathy
07/14/05 21:18:41 Tony__IL: night Cathy
07/14/05 21:18:44 Tina: night Cathy
07/14/05 21:18:45 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Cathy!
07/14/05 21:18:51 Cathy Logs Out
07/14/05 21:19:16 KYK_MD Logs Out
07/14/05 21:19:19 Tina: If your going to create a new violet try to make it something that is not already out
07/14/05 21:19:21 KYK_MD Logs in [12.77.47.47]
07/14/05 21:19:32 Jana_in_Indiana: WB KYK!
07/14/05 21:19:35 candy Logs in [68.20.222.228]
07/14/05 21:19:40 Tony__IL: w/b KYK
07/14/05 21:19:43 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Candy!
07/14/05 21:19:47 KYK_MD: Thanks!
07/14/05 21:19:51 Tony__IL: hi Candy
07/14/05 21:19:52 sherry__(Mo): Hi Candy
07/14/05 21:19:56 candy: hi jana
07/14/05 21:19:56 Janis_in_Okla: Hi Candy and welcome back KYK
07/14/05 21:20:31 Jana_in_Indiana: that would be hard to do with over 14,000 AV's already out there!
07/14/05 21:20:44 candy: hello everyone! this is my first time in this chat and i'm having trouble reading the text
07/14/05 21:20:44 Tina: With my first cross I could have put out more blue wasps but there aleady so many
07/14/05 21:20:59 Jana_in_Indiana: click the + sign Candy
07/14/05 21:21:04 Tony__IL: If I was using one  of Rob's and one of Mc's, do I have to get an OK from them if I register the cross?
07/14/05 21:21:15 Jana_in_Indiana: below the messages window & above where you type
07/14/05 21:21:29 candy: ok, thanks. some of the text is gold in color and very hard to read
07/14/05 21:21:44 Jana_in_Indiana: it's only gold if we type yyour name
07/14/05 21:21:44 Tina: Tony no you just have to have both named parents and grow them for 3 generations to make sure they are stable and true
07/14/05 21:21:48 Jana_in_Indiana: see candy?
07/14/05 21:22:01 Janis_in_Okla: the text that is gold has your name in it.
07/14/05 21:22:03 candy: oh, ok :-)
07/14/05 21:22:06 Tina: Thank Jana LOL
07/14/05 21:22:16 Jana_in_Indiana: but if we break up your name it won't change color -- can dy
07/14/05 21:22:24 Tony__IL: so just named parents, no OK from the hybridizer of the parents?
07/14/05 21:22:32 KYK_MD: This question isn't related to wasps, but one of my baby's has a 6 lobed flower that should be a bell, but it is open and looks like a butterfly.  I don't know if it would be worth experimenting with.
07/14/05 21:22:56 Janis_in_Okla: I personally like to hear my name in case I am in la la land.  the sound wakes me up  LOL
07/14/05 21:23:05 sherry__(Mo): LOL Jana
07/14/05 21:23:07 Jana_in_Indiana: ;)
07/14/05 21:23:29 candy: lol, i never reinstalled my sound card after formatting
07/14/05 21:23:43 Janis_in_Okla: awww your missing out
07/14/05 21:23:53 Tina: well you would have to see if it is just a weird fluke for one bloom or is it a sport and is the all the blossoms like that
07/14/05 21:23:53 candy: a butterfy flower that sounds interesting
07/14/05 21:23:56 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, then you're not hearing the loud *beep* when it changed to the gold color!  LOL
07/14/05 21:24:09 candy: nope
07/14/05 21:24:20 Tina: what plant is it?
07/14/05 21:24:21 Janis_in_Okla: *choochoo*
07/14/05 21:24:28 candy: silence is golden :p
07/14/05 21:24:33 Janis_in_Okla: lol
07/14/05 21:24:34 Tina: LOL
07/14/05 21:24:42 KYK_MD: It has several flowers, so I'm thinking it's a fluke.  How would I determine?
07/14/05 21:24:45 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, you MUST be a parent Ca ndy!
07/14/05 21:24:54 Tina: it almost sounds waspy to me
07/14/05 21:24:59 candy: but they are grown and married
07/14/05 21:25:05 KYK_MD: It's Tsunami.
07/14/05 21:25:41 Jana_in_Indiana: children teach all of us the value of silence, cause we never have it anymore -- till they move out!  ;)
07/14/05 21:25:45 Tina: probably just a fluke and if this it first blooming it may not happen again
07/14/05 21:25:55 KYK_MD: I bought it on ebay, so I don't know if this is the first blooms or not.
07/14/05 21:26:16 Tina: hmm who did you get it from
07/14/05 21:26:30 KYK_MD: I'd have to look it up, brb.
07/14/05 21:26:35 Jana_in_Indiana: Tsunami (5891) 01/23/1985 (B. Elkin) Single lavender two-tone bell/darker eye, shading. Bright green, plain. Miniature
07/14/05 21:26:47 Tina: are more blooms like that one or are the others regular bells
07/14/05 21:26:48 Jana_in_Indiana: the photo in FC2 looks like it has 6 petals
07/14/05 21:27:07 Tina: I don't have a first class photo
07/14/05 21:27:19 Jana_in_Indiana: did you update this month?
07/14/05 21:27:32 Jana_in_Indiana: photo is from Fay W
07/14/05 21:27:35 KYK_MD: All the blooms match the description, except for this one.
07/14/05 21:27:43 Tina: well why is it not in mine
07/14/05 21:27:58 Tina: then it is probably just a fluke
07/14/05 21:28:10 Jana_in_Indiana: I don't know, try doing an update again?
07/14/05 21:28:39 Jana_in_Indiana: or wait & ask Joe next Thurs, he'll be our guest speaker!  On 7-21
07/14/05 21:28:40 Tina: says I am updated
07/14/05 21:28:56 Jana_in_Indiana: for July 2005?
07/14/05 21:29:00 candy: cool, jana
07/14/05 21:29:13 Tina: great
07/14/05 21:29:24 Jana_in_Indiana: so next Thurs. we'll learn everything about FC2 & the show program
07/14/05 21:29:30 KYK_MD: Thanks Tina!
07/14/05 21:29:39 Tina: no problem
07/14/05 21:29:48 candy: need to get him up here to speak at my club lol
07/14/05 21:29:52 Tony__IL: if it times out doing the update, youo need a patch for the program first and then it's OK
07/14/05 21:30:09 Jana_in_Indiana: where are you from Candy?
07/14/05 21:30:16 KYK_MD: Tina the seller was thebeartree.
07/14/05 21:30:19 Tina: I think I got that.  I will have to check
07/14/05 21:30:20 candy: hammond, IN
07/14/05 21:30:28 Tina: don't know that person
07/14/05 21:30:39 candy: up near lake michigan on the west side
07/14/05 21:30:45 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, I'm on the NE side of Indy, in Lawrence
07/14/05 21:31:08 sherry__(Mo): I've seen his auctions but have never bid on any of them
07/14/05 21:31:09 Jana_in_Indiana: have you been at the lisle shows?
07/14/05 21:31:10 candy: my daughter lived in indy before she married
07/14/05 21:31:31 Jana_in_Indiana: Sherry, who is he?
07/14/05 21:31:40 candy: i went to the lisle show once but didn't go this year because of caring for my mom
07/14/05 21:32:09 sherry__(Mo): I don't know-he had something listed as a trailer once-but the name wassn't a trailer
07/14/05 21:32:24 Jana_in_Indiana: nice show, missed this year, they had Ralph & Lyons there for presentations, :(
07/14/05 21:32:40 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, do you know where he's from S?
07/14/05 21:32:56 Jana_in_Indiana: any more hybridizing Q's for Tina?
07/14/05 21:33:11 sherry__(Mo): Nope-he sells other things besides Av's if I remeber correctly
07/14/05 21:33:19 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks!
07/14/05 21:33:52 sherry__(Mo): Tina, I'll have to read the log-I'm sure it was a great chat!
07/14/05 21:33:53 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks for another wonderful chat on hybridizing tina!
07/14/05 21:33:56 Tina: I see a lot of mis labeled plants on ebay especially wasps
07/14/05 21:34:10 Tina: your welcome
07/14/05 21:34:23 candy: sorry i missed most of it
07/14/05 21:34:27 KYK_MD: I see both wasps and micros mislabelled.
07/14/05 21:34:29 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, ebay can be risky business!
07/14/05 21:34:52 KYK_MD: I haven't had a issue with any av seller so far, knock on wood
07/14/05 21:34:59 Tina: well everyone seems to think most all the wasps are Dates and there are a couple that are not
07/14/05 21:35:10 Jana_in_Indiana: but you can get Tina's new hybrids on ebay, nothing risky about her!  She's Gecko2T!
07/14/05 21:35:12 Tina: most are good and just put what they had received
07/14/05 21:35:18 Tina: LOL
07/14/05 21:35:25 sherry__(Mo): or there's people starting out that get a leaf down, sell the babies-and don't give them time to bloom pit to see if the leaf they got was right
07/14/05 21:35:36 candy: cool, i will have to start shopping!!
07/14/05 21:35:56 Tina: yes that too
07/14/05 21:36:07 Jana_in_Indiana: she also the owner of Love For Wasps & moderator of Violet Reflections
07/14/05 21:36:21 Tony__IL: remember shipping temperatures now are pretty hot
07/14/05 21:36:22 Jana_in_Indiana: she's*
07/14/05 21:36:38 Tina: one I see a lot is labeled The Martian and they say it is by Dates but it is really Martian by lyons
07/14/05 21:37:13 sherry__(Mo): there's 2 of them than Tina?
07/14/05 21:37:16 candy: yes, it is especially hot in thpose mail trucks and the box could be in there hours
07/14/05 21:37:26 candy: *those
07/14/05 21:37:30 KYK_MD: I just noticed it's after 10 and I have to get some sleep.  Tina, thanks for all the info and I look forward to reading the rest of the chat.  Good night all!!!!
07/14/05 21:37:36 Tina: I have asked Joe Bruns to get it in FC2 so folks will quite mislabeling it
07/14/05 21:37:48 Tina: not just one by Lyon called Martian
07/14/05 21:37:54 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite KYK!
07/14/05 21:38:02 Tina: night
07/14/05 21:38:04 sherry__(Mo): ok-thanks
07/14/05 21:38:06 KYK_MD Logs Out
07/14/05 21:38:28 Tina: Yes I put my leaves between insulation to ship
07/14/05 21:38:41 Janis_in_Okla: I'm going to take a bath and go to bed too.  Have a great night all.  :)
07/14/05 21:38:45 Tony__IL: if there is name reservation, why are there 3 different plants with the same name
07/14/05 21:38:46 Janis_in_Okla Logs Out
07/14/05 21:38:50 Jana_in_Indiana: fiberglass or styrofoam?
07/14/05 21:38:50 Tina: night Janis
07/14/05 21:38:56 candy: nite janis
07/14/05 21:39:03 Tina: fiberglass
07/14/05 21:39:17 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks!
07/14/05 21:39:24 Tony__IL: if the names are reserved, why are there 3 different plants with the same name
07/14/05 21:39:31 Tina: well I think thing have changed over time and they are trying to eliminate that
07/14/05 21:39:49 Tina: not sure how old some of those plants are
07/14/05 21:39:50 Jana_in_Indiana: except with Optimara, they recycle the names
07/14/05 21:40:11 Tina: some of the plants listed in FC2 are not registered officially
07/14/05 21:40:35 candy: anyone here into vintage violets?
07/14/05 21:40:57 Tony__IL: have some but not all
07/14/05 21:41:03 Tina: so they have no control over the named plants that are not registered
07/14/05 21:41:06 Jana_in_Indiana: I have a few
07/14/05 21:41:09 Tina: I have a few
07/14/05 21:41:21 Tina: mainly wasps LOL
07/14/05 21:41:26 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, that's a good point Tina!
07/14/05 21:41:41 candy: vintage wasps? cool
07/14/05 21:42:07 Tina: most are except the ones being newly hybridized
07/14/05 21:42:47 candy: my collection is leaning toward minis and semis and if they are wasps or species and like them, too
07/14/05 21:42:51 Jana_in_Indiana: BTF is my only wasp, & it's being adopted by Tony
07/14/05 21:43:01 candy: *i like them too
07/14/05 21:43:12 Tony__IL: BTF ??
07/14/05 21:43:19 Jana_in_Indiana: Blue Tail Fly
07/14/05 21:43:20 Tina: yes it is a neat one but gets unruly as it gets older
07/14/05 21:43:28 Tina: as most wasps do LOL
07/14/05 21:43:31 Jana_in_Indiana: very unruly!  :P
07/14/05 21:43:58 candy: i have loverly wasp, pink fly and one that must have lost it's name before i won it in a raffle
07/14/05 21:44:25 Tina: oh no that is not good
07/14/05 21:44:37 Tina: both are neat wasps also not as unruly as BTF
07/14/05 21:44:40 candy: it looks exactly like BTF but was named bustleback blue
07/14/05 21:44:53 Tina: same size?
07/14/05 21:45:20 Jana_in_Indiana: Spootnik (1498) 11/30/1964 (A. Dates) Single red-pink wasp. Medium green, spooned/bustle back. Semiminiature
07/14/05 21:45:28 Tina: or does it look like pink fly only blue blossoms
07/14/05 21:45:30 candy: my loverly wasp is very neat and tidy but my pink fly is wearing a mohawk
07/14/05 21:45:31 Jana_in_Indiana: Calico Wasp (1969) 07/26/1969 (J. Dates) Single light lavender fluted wasp/purple fantasy. Quilted/bustle back. Standard
07/14/05 21:45:45 Tina: LOL
07/14/05 21:45:45 Jana_in_Indiana: those 2 & BTF are the only bustle wasps in FC2
07/14/05 21:46:16 Tina: oh can I get leaves of those 2 Jana from you?  I am missing those two in my collection
07/14/05 21:46:24 Tony__IL: I thought bustle foliage=wasp
07/14/05 21:46:24 candy: it has blue flowers that look exactly like BTF
07/14/05 21:46:46 Tina: well could be BTF, Martian or Royal wasp
07/14/05 21:47:01 Jana_in_Indiana: sure could if I had them Tina!  Sorry, was just trying to shhow Candy the only AV's that are bustle leaves & wasps in FC2
07/14/05 21:47:25 candy: that's waht i thought, so i just have to leave it un named for now
07/14/05 21:47:29 sherry__(Mo): I'd ordered some wasp-but didn't get them-darn it
07/14/05 21:47:42 Tina: you cant have the bustled folige without the wasp blossom but you can get a wasp blossom without the bustled foliage
07/14/05 21:47:57 Tina: yes they are very hard to tell apart
07/14/05 21:48:06 sherry__(Mo): Tina, my Blue Tail Flay and Matyian look real simialr-do they normally?
07/14/05 21:48:10 Tina: there should be more than that Jana
07/14/05 21:48:16 candy: it's always blooming, it blooms like crazy. i have two seed pods on it from crosses i tried and i keep removing the flowers to keep the pods strong
07/14/05 21:48:19 Jana_in_Indiana: http://www.belislesviolethouse.com/Dates_violets.html
07/14/05 21:48:28 Tina: yes as well as Royal wasp all look very similar
07/14/05 21:48:31 Jana_in_Indiana: spootnik is at belieses
07/14/05 21:48:43 candy Logs Out
07/14/05 21:48:44 sherry__(Mo): Thanks
07/14/05 21:48:59 Tina: yes I will get it from Fay instead I have not had good experiences with them
07/14/05 21:49:10 candy Logs in [68.20.222.228]
07/14/05 21:49:11 Tony__IL: so bustle=foliage and wasp=bloom type
07/14/05 21:49:14 Jana_in_Indiana: & here is Calico Wasp:
07/14/05 21:49:17 Jana_in_Indiana: http://www.violetgallery.com/html/catalgcomplete.html
07/14/05 21:49:28 candy: i tried to click that link and got logged out
07/14/05 21:49:31 Tina: thank you Jana
07/14/05 21:49:48 Jana_in_Indiana: right tony, not all wasps have bustle leaves
07/14/05 21:49:54 Tina: yes Tony
07/14/05 21:50:10 Tina: I have never seen or heard of a bustled plant without a wasp blossom
07/14/05 21:50:16 Jana_in_Indiana: but Tina, are all bustle leaved AV's wasps?
07/14/05 21:50:22 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
07/14/05 21:50:23 Tina: Yes
07/14/05 21:50:29 Jana_in_Indiana: beat me to the Q!
07/14/05 21:50:59 Tony__IL: are all wasps bustled?
07/14/05 21:51:04 Tina: That is another way I can tell if seedlings are wasps is if they develop the bustle before they bloom
07/14/05 21:51:18 Jana_in_Indiana: here's one Tina!
07/14/05 21:51:19 sherry__(Mo): neat!
07/14/05 21:51:20 Tina: no not all wasp plants are bustled
07/14/05 21:51:21 Jana_in_Indiana: Columbella (1871) 10/05/1968 (A. Dates) Single pink fluted, cupped/dark eye. Quilted/bustle back. Standard
07/14/05 21:51:44 Tina: never have found that one Jana
07/14/05 21:51:47 Jana_in_Indiana: is that a wasp just not with the word?
07/14/05 21:52:01 Jana_in_Indiana: what is fluted?
07/14/05 21:52:42 candy: do wasps always have a wsap parent or is it a mutation that can just happen?
07/14/05 21:52:53 candy: *wasp
07/14/05 21:53:02 Tina: I am not sure let me do some looking Jana
07/14/05 21:53:14 Tina: well now they have a wasp parent Candy
07/14/05 21:53:18 sherry__(Mo): I had a leaf on s.grandifolia look like it was almost bustled-I put it down but it croaked
07/14/05 21:53:27 Tina: oh no
07/14/05 21:53:37 sherry__(Mo): I was hoping!!
07/14/05 21:54:33 sherry__(Mo): But isn't that how wasps got started-a mutation?
07/14/05 21:54:53 Jana_in_Indiana: see, it's true!  The more you want a leaf to grwo babies, the more likely it is to die!
07/14/05 21:55:02 Tina: yes that is how it got started
07/14/05 21:55:03 Jana_in_Indiana: grow*
07/14/05 21:55:07 sherry__(Mo): that's for sure!!
07/14/05 21:55:58 Tina: Jana none of my info even mentions that plant.  Hmm I take fluted as wasp like but not sure because dates did have some non wasp plants
07/14/05 21:56:16 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks!
07/14/05 21:56:22 Tina: Jana yes it would be a wasp it is bustled
07/14/05 21:56:31 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
07/14/05 21:56:39 Tina: have never found some of Dates hybrids
07/14/05 21:56:40 sherry__(Mo): I hate to leave such good company, but I need to get some things done around here
07/14/05 21:56:50 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite sherry!
07/14/05 21:56:51 Tina: night sherry nice to see you again
07/14/05 21:57:00 candy: nite sherry
07/14/05 21:57:08 sherry__(Mo): Take care everyone and keep up the great job hybridizing Tina!!
07/14/05 21:57:12 sherry__(Mo) Logs Out
07/14/05 21:57:18 Tony__IL: nite Sherry
07/14/05 21:57:49 Tina: Thank you Sherry
07/14/05 21:57:51 candy: i'm going to go too, talking to my daughter in ICQ. she's in australia
07/14/05 21:57:59 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Candy!
07/14/05 21:58:07 Tina: Great candy enjoy your chat
07/14/05 21:58:07 candy: nite
07/14/05 21:58:11 candy Logs Out
07/14/05 21:58:12 Tina: night
07/14/05 21:58:54 Tony__IL: so all bustled are wasps but not all wasps ae bustled?
07/14/05 21:59:12 Jana_in_Indiana: I need to go & rest my back, it's hurting pretty badly, g'nite tony & Tina!
07/14/05 21:59:22 Tony__IL: night J
07/14/05 21:59:26 Tina: ok Jana have a good night
07/14/05 21:59:30 Jana_in_Indiana Logs Out
07/14/05 21:59:38 Tina: yes that is right Tony
07/14/05 21:59:43 Tony__IL: thanks
07/14/05 22:00:21 Tony__IL: how big a room do you have to do all this hybrid stuff?
07/14/05 22:01:09 Tina: right now my hybrids take up about a whole stand which is 3-4 shelves
07/14/05 22:01:23 Tina: right now my plant room is in the basement
07/14/05 22:01:24 Tony__IL: thought so
07/14/05 22:01:46 Tina: it also depends on the size of plants you are crossing
07/14/05 22:01:52 Tony__IL: anyone helping you?
07/14/05 22:02:06 Tina: for now on I will probably stick to semi and mini's
07/14/05 22:02:08 Tina: no
07/14/05 22:02:24 Tina: just me  :D
07/14/05 22:02:41 Tony__IL: got a lot of standards that are crowded and don't want another stand
07/14/05 22:02:44 Tina: along with work 48 hours a week 3 kids, 3 dogs and 6 birds LOL
07/14/05 22:02:58 Tina: yes standards take up a lot of room
07/14/05 22:03:12 Tony__IL: where do you work?
07/14/05 22:03:24 Tina: I am a nurse
07/14/05 22:03:36 Tina: I work in labor and delivery
07/14/05 22:03:36 Tony__IL: am a retired Med Tech
07/14/05 22:03:42 Tina: great
07/14/05 22:04:09 Tony__IL: miss the people but not the work LOL
07/14/05 22:04:17 Tina: yes I hear you there LOL
07/14/05 22:04:34 Tony__IL: are you near Denver?
07/14/05 22:04:50 Tina: yes I live in the Thornton  area
07/14/05 22:05:11 Tony__IL: also, do you get pots from some wholesale place?
07/14/05 22:05:55 Tina: no I have found a wholsale place to buy pots but I would have to order them depending on size by the hundreds to thousands
07/14/05 22:06:09 Tony__IL: lots of people at the chats saying they can't get them or are slow in delivery
07/14/05 22:06:46 Tony__IL: can you send me the name of the wholesaler?  tclayt2001@yahoo.com
07/14/05 22:07:22 Tina: well I know where to get them but they are a couple of hundred dollars and up for a case
07/14/05 22:07:31 Tony__IL: am trying also to get the PermaNest trays
07/14/05 22:08:01 Tina: I will have to look up the info I will try to find it.  This place I can pick them up in denver.
07/14/05 22:08:04 Tony__IL: that would be OK
07/14/05 22:08:21 Tina: I would love to get them at wholesale price but you know how that goes
07/14/05 22:08:36 Tina: they may have a place closer to you.
07/14/05 22:09:35 Tony__IL: less shipping $$$
07/14/05 22:10:27 Tony__IL: let me know
07/14/05 22:10:54 Tina: I am going to have to do some searching I am afraid sorry
07/14/05 22:11:07 Tina: I hope  I stillhave it
07/14/05 22:11:24 Tina: I know pots are not made in the us anymore
07/14/05 22:11:29 Tony__IL: no big deal. I've waited for over 2 weeks now for the tray price list. LOL
07/14/05 22:11:32 Tina: they are all from other countries
07/14/05 22:11:37 Tina: oh no
07/14/05 22:12:16 Tony__IL: noticed the ones (pots) I have are from Canada
07/14/05 22:12:25 Tina: if you hang for a minute let me go look in my box down stairs
07/14/05 22:12:42 Tony__IL: can do or mail me later when you have time
07/14/05 22:17:18 Tina: well no luck maybe I still have the link
07/14/05 22:17:40 Tony__IL: whatever works, no problem
07/14/05 22:18:24 Tony__IL: won't be able to do anything over the weekend anyway
07/14/05 22:18:30 Tina: I hope I didnt get rid of it
07/14/05 22:19:04 Tony__IL: if you did, you'll have to find another source. LOL
07/14/05 22:20:07 Tony__IL: well, gonna call it it a night. Thanks for being our guest
07/14/05 22:20:10 Tina: I found the web link
07/14/05 22:20:15 Tony__IL: ok
07/14/05 22:20:34 Tina: do you want it and you can email them and ask the nearest distributor.  Let me know what you find out
07/14/05 22:20:51 Tony__IL: what is the web addy
07/14/05 22:20:55 Tina: http://www.itml.com/products.php?g=1&p=48
07/14/05 22:21:22 Tina: they even have the 1 1/4 inch pots
07/14/05 22:21:31 Tina: they have neat trays for the also
07/14/05 22:22:04 Tina: not sure if they have permanest trays or not
07/14/05 22:22:06 Tony__IL: got it. Thanks. Thanks again for being the speaker
07/14/05 22:22:17 Tina: your welcom have a great night
07/14/05 22:22:26 Tony__IL Disconnects
07/14/05 22:22:34 Tina Logs Out