07/13/05 14:33:38 Brenda Logs in [12.217.40.181]
07/13/05 14:33:50 Brenda Logs Out
07/13/05 19:03:57 becca Logs in [162.39.99.123]
07/13/05 19:04:27 becca: maybe wrong time??
07/13/05 19:46:53 Jana_in_Indiana Logs in [172.198.218.70]
07/13/05 19:47:11 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Becca!
07/13/05 19:58:35 Jana_in_Indiana: *welcome*
07/13/05 20:00:43 Brenda Logs in [12.217.40.181]
07/13/05 20:01:56 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Brenda!
07/13/05 20:02:04 Jana_in_Indiana: sorry, I was feeding my fish
07/13/05 20:02:37 Brenda: hello, what kind of fish
07/13/05 20:02:44 Tony__IL Logs in [207.43.75.34]
07/13/05 20:02:50 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Tony!
07/13/05 20:03:01 Brenda: hello
07/13/05 20:03:12 Tony__IL: hi Becca, Brenda and Jana
07/13/05 20:03:39 Jana_in_Indiana: all kinds, from discus, angels, koi & orandas, corys, you name it, & guppies & swordtails too
07/13/05 20:04:10 Brenda: how many tanks for that many
07/13/05 20:04:32 becca Logs Out
07/13/05 20:05:18 Jana_in_Indiana: 6 going now, plus the pond -- have the pond babies in a 10 gallon inside so I can fatten them up so they won't be dinner
07/13/05 20:06:06 Brenda: so you collect avs and fish, what else
07/13/05 20:06:17 Tony__IL: Janna, did you ever figure out where the fish disappeared to?
07/13/05 20:06:49 Shellie_CA Logs in [172.199.88.141]
07/13/05 20:06:51 Jana_in_Indiana: kinda T, some were hiding under the pond filter, but there are 3 missing, probably a heron or raccoon
07/13/05 20:06:55 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Shellie
07/13/05 20:07:08 Brenda: hey
07/13/05 20:07:09 Jana_in_Indiana: also have 2 yorkies Brenda
07/13/05 20:07:16 Shellie_CA: good evening Jana, Brenda and Tony
07/13/05 20:07:26 Tony__IL: hi Shellie
07/13/05 20:08:12 Jana_in_Indiana: so now we have chicken wire over the pond, hope that keeps the predators out!
07/13/05 20:08:17 Brenda: 3 schnauzer, 1mutt and 2 cats, 1fish tank and 1 frog tank. owl got the koi
07/13/05 20:08:57 Jana_in_Indiana: did you see the owl get them?
07/13/05 20:09:13 Brenda: this must be the place for the crazy people to go
07/13/05 20:09:34 Brenda: no, but the keep circling
07/13/05 20:10:12 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, ok, yes, we're all crazy, about lots of things, LOL!
07/13/05 20:10:17 Tony__IL: thought being crazy was a prerequisite. LOL
07/13/05 20:10:31 Jana_in_Indiana: it does help!  :P
07/13/05 20:10:55 Tony__IL: I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it LOL
07/13/05 20:11:23 Brenda: thats a new way to look at it
07/13/05 20:11:48 Shellie_CA: On our ranch in CA, my sister Laura, my neice Jessica, our friend Shar and myself, have 5 Rotties, 1 Border Terrier, 1 Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, 1 Pit Bull, 1 Mixed lab/shephard, 2 rabbits, 2 pygmy goats, 3 Tennessee Walking Horses, 4 cats, 25-30 chic
07/13/05 20:11:49 Tony__IL: Brenda, were are you from?
07/13/05 20:11:57 Shellie_CA: chickens
07/13/05 20:12:14 Jana_in_Indiana: you forgot the peacock babies Shellie!
07/13/05 20:12:20 Brenda: Al
07/13/05 20:12:26 goj62 Logs in [172.143.117.199]
07/13/05 20:12:30 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Judi!
07/13/05 20:12:33 Shellie_CA: your right I forgeot them
07/13/05 20:12:42 Brenda: hi judy
07/13/05 20:12:47 Shellie_CA: and 2 baby peacocks
07/13/05 20:12:54 Tony__IL: hi Judi
07/13/05 20:13:21 goj62: hi   jana hope you,re feeling better
07/13/05 20:13:27 Brenda: that y and i is gonna get me in trouble...judi
07/13/05 20:13:41 Shellie_CA: hi Judy
07/13/05 20:13:50 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, thanks Judi!  As long as the pain pills hold out!  ;)
07/13/05 20:13:59 goj62: hope not
07/13/05 20:15:15 Tony__IL: Brenda, how long have you been in the group?
07/13/05 20:15:34 Brenda: almost a month
07/13/05 20:15:52 goj62: got me a few more things that I needed   like a single edge razorblade that I like to never had found   more pot,s  etc.
07/13/05 20:15:54 Jana_in_Indiana: Brenda, did you get your address changed?  It was you, right?
07/13/05 20:16:11 Brenda: didn't write down the date I joined
07/13/05 20:16:14 Tony__IL: be 3 when the weather cools off and we can ship the SJJ packages again
07/13/05 20:16:28 Tony__IL: STJ
07/13/05 20:16:47 Brenda: yep.
07/13/05 20:16:53 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, once a member for 3 months & have less than 20 named AV's you can get a box from a member in Share The Joy
07/13/05 20:17:47 Jana_in_Indiana: my husband can't believe I sent boxes to Japan, Canada & Sweden, now I'll be shhipping to Australia too!  LOL
07/13/05 20:17:56 Brenda: haven't got the email part changrd yet
07/13/05 20:18:10 goj62: sure wish I had known that a few weeks ago   would of saved me money LOL
07/13/05 20:18:28 goj62: just kidding  folks
07/13/05 20:18:31 Tony__IL: ??? what's that J
07/13/05 20:18:47 Jana_in_Indiana: go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VioletReflections/
07/13/05 20:19:38 Jana_in_Indiana: the look near the upper center & it will say Edit Membership  click those words
07/13/05 20:19:42 Jana_in_Indiana: then*
07/13/05 20:19:56 Jana_in_Indiana: & you can change it from there
07/13/05 20:20:03 Jana_in_Indiana: what were you asking T?
07/13/05 20:20:15 Tony__IL: shipping comment
07/13/05 20:20:31 Janis_in_Okla Logs in [70.241.54.13]
07/13/05 20:20:32 Tony__IL: from Jodi
07/13/05 20:20:37 Shellie_CA: Hi Janis
07/13/05 20:20:42 Tony__IL: Hi Okie #2
07/13/05 20:20:53 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, my husband can't believe I'm sending leaves & stuff all over the world, now I have to send to Australia too, when it cools down some
07/13/05 20:20:58 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Charlene!
07/13/05 20:21:04 Janis_in_Okla: Hi Shellie, Jana. Tony, goj and Brenda
07/13/05 20:21:09 Jana_in_Indiana: oops, Janis!
07/13/05 20:21:14 Janis_in_Okla: LOL
07/13/05 20:21:34 Jana_in_Indiana: I saw Tony wrote 'okie' & got confused, I do that easily!  :?
07/13/05 20:21:59 Janis_in_Okla: thats ok Jana  :)
07/13/05 20:22:06 Janis_in_Okla: I am a Okie too  LOL
07/13/05 20:22:23 Brenda: thanks Jana
07/13/05 20:22:32 Jana_in_Indiana: welcome B!
07/13/05 20:23:03 Jana_in_Indiana: wonder where Cheryl is tonight?  LOL
07/13/05 20:23:25 Janis_in_Okla: I want a varigated violet in the near future
07/13/05 20:24:03 Tony__IL: well between Jana and I probably can do that Janis
07/13/05 20:24:09 Jana_in_Indiana: I could help with that, if it wasn't so blasted hot Janis
07/13/05 20:24:33 Jana_in_Indiana: 90's Sun & Mon
07/13/05 20:24:33 Janis_in_Okla: I wondered if it was too hot
07/13/05 20:24:42 Janis_in_Okla: yep too hot
07/13/05 20:24:46 Shellie_CA: hot - its still in the mid-90's here and not cooling off
07/13/05 20:24:50 Jana_in_Indiana: leaves would be mush before they got out of the state
07/13/05 20:25:17 Janis_in_Okla: wonder what month it will be best
07/13/05 20:25:30 Tony__IL: looking like September
07/13/05 20:25:41 Jana_in_Indiana: Sept should cool down, but might get a cool spell before then
07/13/05 20:25:57 Brenda: I wish
07/13/05 20:26:30 Jana_in_Indiana: Brenda, where do you live?
07/13/05 20:26:36 Brenda: al
07/13/05 20:26:55 Brenda: so does Judi
07/13/05 20:27:01 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, it's hot there too!
07/13/05 20:27:03 Tony__IL: Couldn't you tell be the accent, J ? LOL
07/13/05 20:27:05 Shellie_CA: I am watching the 6 pm news and there is a brush fire in the rugged canyons of Ranch Palos Verdes
07/13/05 20:27:11 Jana_in_Indiana: nope!
07/13/05 20:27:21 Jana_in_Indiana: that's not good S!
07/13/05 20:28:08 Jana_in_Indiana: spring & fall are best for shipping AV's, cooler is safer than hotter, as long as they don't get to like 45 degrees
07/13/05 20:28:17 Shellie_CA: we had a small fire near here yesterday afternoon but they knocked it down real quick
07/13/05 20:28:47 Tony__IL: Shellie, were are you from San Diego?
07/13/05 20:29:06 Shellie_CA: about an hour north and east
07/13/05 20:30:04 Tony__IL: have some uncles there
07/13/05 20:30:44 Shellie_CA: I have family all over the place
07/13/05 20:31:47 Tony__IL: Any violet questions Brenda or Jodi?
07/13/05 20:31:50 Shellie_CA: NJ, IL, KS, WA, FL, MA, PA, CO
07/13/05 20:31:54 Jana_in_Indiana: I tried calling Cheryl, no answer, so we can do whatever WE want in here tonight!   :p
07/13/05 20:32:06 Janis_in_Okla: lol
07/13/05 20:32:36 Janis_in_Okla: ::jumping up and down and throwing pots at one another::  lol
07/13/05 20:32:39 Tony__IL: I'm in NW Illinois, Shellie
07/13/05 20:32:54 Jana_in_Indiana: so tonight in Discovery we will discover what we can get by with!  :?
07/13/05 20:33:08 Janis_in_Okla: Hehehe
07/13/05 20:33:08 Shellie_CA: I have a cousin in Chicago
07/13/05 20:33:29 Tony__IL: sounds OK. Planted #4 with root rot today.
07/13/05 20:34:01 Janis_in_Okla: root rot?  :(
07/13/05 20:34:16 Tony__IL: beats having bugs LOL
07/13/05 20:34:27 Jana_in_Indiana: sure does beat having bugs!
07/13/05 20:34:37 Janis_in_Okla: I would hate having either
07/13/05 20:34:57 Janis_in_Okla: can you get it to survive with root rot?
07/13/05 20:35:27 Shellie_CA: Yeah, better than bugs - I just did my 3rd double strength dipping and spraying with Avid today
07/13/05 20:35:33 Tony__IL: Hopefully caught it early and cut off the root ball and replanted it
07/13/05 20:35:58 Janis_in_Okla: good luck.  :)
07/13/05 20:35:58 Jana_in_Indiana: yah, root rot only kills 1 plant, bugs force you to treat ALL of your plants!
07/13/05 20:36:32 Tony__IL: how much did the Avid cost you and how much did you have to use?
07/13/05 20:36:51 Jana_in_Indiana: Tony, I got the giant perlite today -- and it IS giant!!!
07/13/05 20:36:55 Shellie_CA: $100 for an 8oz. bottle
07/13/05 20:37:01 Brenda: what were the signs of root rot
07/13/05 20:37:38 Tony__IL: lower leaves all went limp and I grabbed the stem near the soil level it was mush
07/13/05 20:37:42 Janis_in_Okla: yikes on $100
07/13/05 20:38:00 Shellie_CA: I dipped my plants 3 times using 1/4 teaspoon per gallon. Then I spoke to Pat Hancock and she recommended using 1/2 teaspoon per gallon so I dipped them all 3 times again
07/13/05 20:38:11 Tony__IL: want to sell an ounce?
07/13/05 20:38:23 Janis_in_Okla: I have seen root rot in some violets a long time ago
07/13/05 20:38:33 Janis_in_Okla: I didn't know what to do though
07/13/05 20:38:42 Janis_in_Okla: I thought it was too late
07/13/05 20:39:09 Jana_in_Indiana: as long as some part of the stem is firm & not mushy, you can save it
07/13/05 20:39:26 Brenda: assume it is from over watering?
07/13/05 20:39:28 Janis_in_Okla: I will remember that
07/13/05 20:40:00 Shellie_CA: Maybe
07/13/05 20:41:04 Shellie_CA: this weekend - if it is not hot to work outside I will start my repotting of all my poor palm trees
07/13/05 20:41:42 Janis_in_Okla: are the palm trees big Shellie?
07/13/05 20:42:14 Janis_in_Okla: Some here in Okla have them but I don't know what they do with them in the winter
07/13/05 20:42:58 Brenda: brb
07/13/05 20:44:27 Janis_in_Okla: I need to go.  grandkids are here.  talk to you all later
07/13/05 20:44:34 Janis_in_Okla: bye bye
07/13/05 20:44:38 Janis_in_Okla Logs Out
07/13/05 20:45:12 Jana_in_Indiana: Shellie, are you refering to long neck AV's or real palm trees?
07/13/05 20:46:55 Jana_in_Indiana: Brenda, over watering can cause root rot, but also too heavy soil & some bacteria & fungus can cause it too, but rarely
07/13/05 20:48:27 Brenda: back
07/13/05 20:48:47 Jana_in_Indiana: I do think Shellie was refering to some long neck AV's, not real palm trees, we do call long neck AV's 'palm trees', LOL
07/13/05 20:49:31 Tony__IL: When I pulled the plants out of the soil, all the roots were brown, no white ones.
07/13/05 20:50:18 Shellie_CA: Sorry I got called away for a few minutes
07/13/05 20:51:09 Shellie_CA: Palm trees - my AV's that I removed a lot of leaves from leaving long necks
07/13/05 20:51:44 Shellie_CA: it was easier to treat them that way for the broad mites
07/13/05 20:52:00 Okie Logs in [68.12.41.9]
07/13/05 20:52:01 Jana_in_Indiana: I'll bet it was!
07/13/05 20:52:08 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Charlene!
07/13/05 20:52:14 Shellie_CA: hi Charlene
07/13/05 20:52:14 Tony__IL: if yu put perlite in the bottom of the pots and then the soil, would it make a lot of difference using the regular pots vs. azelia pots?
07/13/05 20:52:22 Tony__IL: Hi Okie #1
07/13/05 20:52:29 Okie: Hello everyone, hope all is well tonight ;)
07/13/05 20:53:44 Tony__IL: Shellie, how much of the Avid did you actually use?
07/13/05 20:54:23 Shellie_CA: about 1/4 of the bottle
07/13/05 20:55:03 Tony__IL: how many plants did you have to treat, S?
07/13/05 20:56:51 Shellie_CA: three trays of leaves and babies and about 100 plants of various sizes
07/13/05 20:57:06 Jana_in_Indiana: I don't know about regular VS azelia pots T, but I couldn't put perlite only in the bottom of my pots, need the soil to come in contact with the mat I think
07/13/05 20:57:42 Jana_in_Indiana: azalea pots*
07/13/05 20:58:04 Okie: Darnit what did I miss about the azalea pots?
07/13/05 20:58:27 Tony__IL: did you have to dip them (soil) in the Avid or spray the plants
07/13/05 20:58:32 Jana_in_Indiana: hey Shellie!  Send me 1/4 of the bottle & I'll shred your check?
07/13/05 20:59:14 Jana_in_Indiana: dipping give the best coverage & greatest assurance that all are killed
07/13/05 20:59:52 Tony__IL: Azalea pots are not as deep as regular pots. Was wondering if you put perlite in the bottom of the regular pot and then soil, the soil would be the same depth as azalea pots.
07/13/05 21:00:31 Tony__IL: Especially if you have a long neck one you are trying to bury
07/13/05 21:00:41 Shellie_CA: I dipped the plants and babies and sprayed the leaves
07/13/05 21:01:36 Jana_in_Indiana: azalea pots are usually wider than they are tall
07/13/05 21:01:48 Jana_in_Indiana: & are the best ones for AV's
07/13/05 21:03:01 Okie: So is shorter and wider (azalea pots) better than taller and narrower?
07/13/05 21:03:07 Jana_in_Indiana: yup
07/13/05 21:03:49 Okie: So if I repot the 3" solo cups into the squatty cups I got from you Jana, is that a good idea?
07/13/05 21:03:49 Tony__IL: 4" pots (azalea) are a little under 3" high. Think regular ones are 4x4 high
07/13/05 21:03:50 Jana_in_Indiana: & pan pots are for trailers, they are really wide & shallow
07/13/05 21:04:25 Jana_in_Indiana: I don't remember exactly which ones you got okie, sorry
07/13/05 21:04:34 Brenda: are trailers hard to grow
07/13/05 21:04:52 Jana_in_Indiana: no, sweet amy sue grows like a weed!
07/13/05 21:05:42 Jana_in_Indiana: Judi & Brenda, send me your street addresses, if I get some cool weather I'll send you some starter plants, including Sweet Amy Sue!
07/13/05 21:05:43 Okie: sorry Jana, they are 3 1/4 oz cups and I am talking about the taller 3 oz solos
07/13/05 21:05:57 Brenda: something else for me to want
07/13/05 21:06:14 Jana_in_Indiana: CrazyCavy@aol.com
07/13/05 21:06:25 Okie: Jana did you receive my check yet?
07/13/05 21:06:53 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, came today, was going to e-mail you but had to deal with minor flooding here
07/13/05 21:07:15 Okie: woops, weather related or accident?
07/13/05 21:07:17 Jana_in_Indiana: A/C drain clogged up & flooded the laundry room & bathroom
07/13/05 21:07:24 Okie: Yuck
07/13/05 21:07:47 Jana_in_Indiana: barely got on here in time for chat
07/13/05 21:07:58 Okie: glad you made it Jana
07/13/05 21:07:58 Shellie_CA: Millie maintains, when growing for show, that the taller pots are better. Plant AV down a 1/2 inch in the beginning, that way if you remove some leaves you don't have to replant to get rid of the neck you just fill up the pot
07/13/05 21:08:02 Jana_in_Indiana: naw, it was minor, son & I fixed it
07/13/05 21:08:17 Brenda: just email me the postage when you get ready
07/13/05 21:08:33 Okie: That is a great idea Shellie
07/13/05 21:08:47 Shellie_CA: Thank Millie for that one
07/13/05 21:08:49 Jana_in_Indiana: yes Shellie, all you have to do is go to a show & look at the inner pots they're in, usually deep
07/13/05 21:09:02 Okie: I will remember that even though I am a non shower  :D
07/13/05 21:09:22 Okie: non show-er that is :p
07/13/05 21:09:31 Shellie_CA: I showed this April for the 1st time
07/13/05 21:09:42 Okie: and...
07/13/05 21:09:46 Okie: how did you do
07/13/05 21:09:55 Jana_in_Indiana: I can't show either, no shows locally & out of state requires you to attend certain # of meetings -- sure I'll drive 2 or 3 hours just for meetings!  NO!   :<
07/13/05 21:10:42 Okie: Did you have plants in the big convention Jana?
07/13/05 21:10:51 Jana_in_Indiana: no
07/13/05 21:11:09 Jana_in_Indiana: but brought lost home from convention, LOL!
07/13/05 21:11:16 Tony__IL: she brought them all back with her, though LOL
07/13/05 21:11:17 Jana_in_Indiana: lots*
07/13/05 21:11:18 Okie: I'll bet
07/13/05 21:11:24 Okie: did you drive or fly?
07/13/05 21:11:30 Jana_in_Indiana: drive
07/13/05 21:11:53 Jana_in_Indiana: & next week everything can come out of isolation, hopefully!
07/13/05 21:12:15 Jana_in_Indiana: the espicia is sending out runners & starts, I can see them through the dome!
07/13/05 21:12:25 Shellie_CA: I showed 8 plants, 3 in regular classes, 5 in Novice.  I got 5 blue ribbons, 3 red ribbons and best Novice
07/13/05 21:12:42 Okie: Wow, great job
07/13/05 21:12:46 Jana_in_Indiana: wonderful!
07/13/05 21:12:51 Okie: Are there pics of your beauties?
07/13/05 21:13:04 Brenda: do yall debud a new av. good job s
07/13/05 21:13:15 Tony__IL: Great Shellie. What is the next step up from Novie?
07/13/05 21:13:19 Okie: Yes, even though it kills me to do it
07/13/05 21:13:38 Okie: Brenda that was for you
07/13/05 21:13:42 Jana_in_Indiana: yup, disbudded everything, then watered & placed in trays w/ domes & taped the trays to the domes so it's air tight
07/13/05 21:14:07 Brenda: how long
07/13/05 21:14:25 Okie: Can anyone tell me where to get removable labels like Pat Hancock uses?
07/13/05 21:14:34 Okie: Computer printable labels
07/13/05 21:14:49 Jana_in_Indiana: 3 months, then I'll remove then, repot checking the plants, soil & roots well, if I find nothing suspicious, then they can stay out of isolation
07/13/05 21:15:08 Jana_in_Indiana: okie, were they on the bags?
07/13/05 21:15:16 Okie: Yes
07/13/05 21:15:32 Shellie_CA: yes - http://www.picturetrail.com/shellieb77
07/13/05 21:15:50 Jana_in_Indiana: all printer labels can be pulled off those baggies & use on your pots, it's the baggie that makes it possible not the lable
07/13/05 21:15:50 Brenda: getting a new plant is no fun with you guys!
07/13/05 21:15:56 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
07/13/05 21:16:09 Jana_in_Indiana: neither is getting buggies in your ENTIRE collection!
07/13/05 21:16:26 Brenda: I know! I know!
07/13/05 21:16:29 Okie: darnit, that must be why I can't find them LOL
07/13/05 21:16:31 Shellie_CA: bugs are no fun - I know by experience
07/13/05 21:16:55 Okie: Shellie, I missed what happened to you, did you get mites or something?
07/13/05 21:17:04 Shellie_CA: broad mites
07/13/05 21:17:08 Jana_in_Indiana: one thing is certain, either you have bugs now, or you have had them in the past, or will in the future!  It's a given!
07/13/05 21:17:25 Shellie_CA: it sure is
07/13/05 21:17:27 Brenda: this must be why we go after leaves
07/13/05 21:17:37 Jana_in_Indiana: mites can be on a fly that flys into your home, or an ant crawling
07/13/05 21:17:50 Brenda: no debudding
07/13/05 21:18:29 Shellie_CA: braod mites like the bottom of the leaves - so getting leaves is no guarantee
07/13/05 21:18:33 Jana_in_Indiana: I always disbud everything in the parking lot where I get them, take camera to get photos first, then rip 'em off
07/13/05 21:18:45 Brenda: where do you get those strips
07/13/05 21:18:53 Brenda: cruel
07/13/05 21:19:03 Jana_in_Indiana: strips?
07/13/05 21:19:50 Brenda: yellow strips for the shelf
07/13/05 21:20:15 Brenda: to help keep bugs off avs
07/13/05 21:20:36 Jana_in_Indiana: most garden shops have them
07/13/05 21:20:53 Brenda: what do you use
07/13/05 21:20:57 Okie: BTW Shellie, just looked, great pictures :)
07/13/05 21:21:02 Jana_in_Indiana: think they're called indicator strips, yellow or blue, lets you see what's flying near your plants
07/13/05 21:21:18 Shellie_CA: Thank you
07/13/05 21:21:22 Tony__IL: www. seabrightlabs have the yellow and blue ones.com
07/13/05 21:21:23 Jana_in_Indiana: I use Marathon on the roots when repotting
07/13/05 21:21:38 Tony__IL: www.seabrightlabs.com
07/13/05 21:22:18 Okie: Jana are you able to mix the marthon in you potting mix, or is it best to do it for each plant as you pot it?
07/13/05 21:22:19 Brenda: thanks
07/13/05 21:22:42 Okie: How often do you need to repeat application, and how do you go about it?
07/13/05 21:22:43 Jana_in_Indiana: I sprinkle it on the roots when repotting
07/13/05 21:23:00 Jana_in_Indiana: must be in contact w/ roots to be absorbed into the AV
07/13/05 21:23:14 Jana_in_Indiana: it's systemic
07/13/05 21:23:41 Jana_in_Indiana: when repotting you use it again, lasts 4 to 6 months
07/13/05 21:24:11 Okie: I think I might have done it wrong then, I put it on the soil at root level when repotting,not directly on the roots.
07/13/05 21:24:28 Jana_in_Indiana: if you begin to see fungus gnats, it's time to repot & use again!  LOL
07/13/05 21:25:21 Jana_in_Indiana: I put a little soil in the pot, hold roots over pot, sprinkle on Marathon all over roots, some does fall into soil in pot, then set it in the pot & top w/ soil
07/13/05 21:26:00 Okie: Do you also add it to leaf pots when putting leaves down?
07/13/05 21:26:24 goj62: where do you get this Marathon at
07/13/05 21:27:02 Jana_in_Indiana: no, usually forget to, LOL, but I should!  They stay domed, so I'd see if anything is flying around, & have their own reservoir -- I do check them well before seperating & potting up & use Marathon then
07/13/05 21:27:10 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL, from me!
07/13/05 21:27:28 goj62: is it at wall mart ?  oh ok
07/13/05 21:27:40 Jana_in_Indiana: I order 5 # containers & divide it & sell 1 or 1/2 pouind amounts at my cost + shhipping
07/13/05 21:28:17 Jana_in_Indiana: it's about time for me to order some more, lots of people are wanting it
07/13/05 21:28:40 Brenda: is it liquid or dry
07/13/05 21:28:45 Jana_in_Indiana: granules
07/13/05 21:28:48 goj62: ok so we need you address and the amonut  of money to sent
07/13/05 21:29:01 Tony__IL: J, what does Marathon do vs. the Diatomaceous earth?
07/13/05 21:29:31 Jana_in_Indiana: Marathon get any bug that bite any part of the AV, above & below soil
07/13/05 21:29:41 Jana_in_Indiana: DE only gets larve that live in soil
07/13/05 21:29:48 Jana_in_Indiana: larvae*
07/13/05 21:30:08 Shellie_CA: but not broad mites
07/13/05 21:30:42 Tony__IL: Shellie, what were the signs you had them ?
07/13/05 21:30:43 Jana_in_Indiana: nothing gets broad or cyclamen mites, except very sepcific expensive miticides, they are resistant
07/13/05 21:31:09 Okie: Is that what the Avid is for?
07/13/05 21:31:11 Jana_in_Indiana: specific*
07/13/05 21:31:13 Jana_in_Indiana: yup
07/13/05 21:31:35 Okie: Is it more expensive than marathon even?
07/13/05 21:31:43 Jana_in_Indiana: oh yes!
07/13/05 21:31:55 Shellie_CA: the leaves started to curl down on the edges, the stems got stiff, the plants did not grow to full size
07/13/05 21:32:07 Jana_in_Indiana: & you can't use it as a preventative, they'll develop resistance to it & then nothing will work
07/13/05 21:32:24 Shellie_CA: easily confused with a lot of other things in AVs
07/13/05 21:32:44 Tony__IL: when unpotting, did you see anything in the soil?
07/13/05 21:32:59 Shellie_CA: the only way to know for sure is to put some leaves under a microscope to see if you have mites
07/13/05 21:33:31 Jana_in_Indiana: you can usually get your county Ag. extension agent to chek an AV for you
07/13/05 21:33:44 Tony__IL: so mainly symptoms on the leaves and not the soil
07/13/05 21:33:52 Shellie_CA: thats what I did afterr Jana suggested it
07/13/05 21:34:11 Jana_in_Indiana: same symptoms can be from too much light, too much fert., bad pH, lots of things
07/13/05 21:34:16 Okie: How much was the avid Shellie?
07/13/05 21:34:31 Shellie_CA: $100 for 8 oz
07/13/05 21:34:59 Okie: Woooow nellie :?
07/13/05 21:35:19 Okie: I mean Whoo Nellie :<
07/13/05 21:35:31 Okie: No darnit whoa nellie LOL
07/13/05 21:35:32 Shellie_CA: right - at that price - if you have a small collection - throw it away and start again
07/13/05 21:35:33 Jana_in_Indiana: Shellie, I really will trade you your check laying here for 2 oz. of the avid, better to have it here just in case ;)
07/13/05 21:36:15 Jana_in_Indiana: plus I pay shipping of course
07/13/05 21:36:32 Shellie_CA: we will take about it off line
07/13/05 21:36:37 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, thanks!
07/13/05 21:36:39 Shellie_CA: off chat
07/13/05 21:36:42 Tony__IL: I'll take part of that also, Shellie. tclayt2001@yahoo.com
07/13/05 21:36:58 Jana_in_Indiana: see, you have lots to help share the cost!
07/13/05 21:37:03 Okie: Is it a liquid or granule?
07/13/05 21:37:27 Jana_in_Indiana: I probably should just order some & divide it for whoever wants it
07/13/05 21:37:51 Jana_in_Indiana: I need to find some 2 oz bottles though, maybe at a craft store?
07/13/05 21:38:11 Tony__IL: Cough medicine bottles would work, J
07/13/05 21:38:12 Jana_in_Indiana: liquid
07/13/05 21:38:12 Brenda: Judi..sounds like we may have a lot of fun in store for us
07/13/05 21:38:35 Okie: And it took 1/2 the 8 oz. to do about 100 plants?
07/13/05 21:38:40 Tony__IL: probably are larger than 2 oz, but ...........
07/13/05 21:38:46 Jana_in_Indiana: I have always heard mites & thrips are much worse in the south & areas that never freeze
07/13/05 21:39:10 Shellie_CA: No, I have used about 1/4 of the bottle
07/13/05 21:39:14 Brenda: I don't want to hear itLOL
07/13/05 21:39:16 Okie: oh okay
07/13/05 21:39:29 goj62: yea   was thinking of just going to wm and getting some of those plastic flowers but   not near the fun
07/13/05 21:39:55 Okie: Brenda, you are in Florida? or Georgia, Alabama,  :(
07/13/05 21:40:05 Okie: I don't remember
07/13/05 21:40:11 Brenda: Al
07/13/05 21:40:16 Jana_in_Indiana: but be careful of getting AV's from WM, lowes, wherever, they usually have mites & thrips from all the other garden plants there
07/13/05 21:40:40 Brenda: now you tell me
07/13/05 21:40:44 Okie: LOL
07/13/05 21:40:47 Tony__IL: plus they are outside and no protection
07/13/05 21:41:05 Jana_in_Indiana: I did get 3 named ultra violets at WM, kept them in isolation 6 months just to be safe, LOL!
07/13/05 21:41:25 Brenda: more fun
07/13/05 21:41:37 Okie: Ultra Violets at Walmart, you have to be kidding :<
07/13/05 21:41:47 Jana_in_Indiana: my theory is, treat it like you KNOW it has bugs until it proves to you it doesn't!
07/13/05 21:42:10 Okie: So how long does it take for signs of problems to show themselves?
07/13/05 21:42:16 Jana_in_Indiana: seriously!  They were double potted, one pot inside another, pull off outer pot & there was the name
07/13/05 21:42:27 Okie: That's a loaded question isn't it? :p
07/13/05 21:42:55 Okie: I want to come to your walmart Jana, you have all the good stuff LOL
07/13/05 21:43:12 Jana_in_Indiana: I finally trusted them when I found nothing after 6 months, but I sprinkled Marathon all over the leaves, soil, everything when I put them in isolation -- pretty much overkill, but I wanted to be safe!
07/13/05 21:43:22 Shellie_CA: I never know I had mites - someone else told me that I did
07/13/05 21:44:00 goj62: got a few plants at walmart that I have had for a long time   guess I have just been lucky but do have one now that is bugging  me
07/13/05 21:44:06 Jana_in_Indiana: they only had the named ones once!  It was last winter, just always look to see if any are sitting in 2 pots, that when you'll know
07/13/05 21:44:21 Jana_in_Indiana: what's it doing Judi?
07/13/05 21:46:01 Jana_in_Indiana: It was UV Dusk, Flash & Meteor, didn't have the 'Ultra Violet' on the label, but I knew they were
07/13/05 21:46:17 goj62: leaf is sort of folding up like sandwich and look limp   thinking about putting in can
07/13/05 21:46:45 Jana_in_Indiana: any spots, dead dried places or anything else?
07/13/05 21:47:31 Okie: What does it mean if a leaf gets a dead dried part on an edge?
07/13/05 21:47:49 Jana_in_Indiana: means it's sick, LOL!
07/13/05 21:47:49 goj62: no  I looked it over real good with magnaifing gladd but couldn,t see anything   may just have been over watered
07/13/05 21:48:13 Jana_in_Indiana: is it folding down from the main vein in the leaf?
07/13/05 21:48:13 Okie: Jana,  :(  that doesn't help
07/13/05 21:48:15 goj62: glass
07/13/05 21:48:58 Jana_in_Indiana: Judi, do you have a digital camera?
07/13/05 21:49:02 goj62: no more like leaf is trying to close up
07/13/05 21:49:14 Tony__IL: Pull the plant out of the pot and check the roots, white or brown, anything moving or anything looks like a cob web?
07/13/05 21:49:19 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, folding upward?
07/13/05 21:49:25 goj62: yea   2 of than  but dd has it right now
07/13/05 21:49:58 Jana_in_Indiana: if you could send or post a photo that would help us a lot!
07/13/05 21:50:05 goj62: not upward more like you,d fold a peice of bread in half
07/13/05 21:50:41 Jana_in_Indiana: you felt the stem/neck down under the soil & it was not soft, right?
07/13/05 21:50:41 goj62: got it at groc store
07/13/05 21:50:57 Tony__IL: one plant or many plants?
07/13/05 21:51:51 goj62: just the one   not soft just wet   to wet altho I did repot it
07/13/05 21:52:21 Tony__IL: too much light or not enough, J?
07/13/05 21:52:26 Jana_in_Indiana: how many AV's do you have total?
07/13/05 21:53:11 Jana_in_Indiana: don't know, T, can't really imagin what it looks like, sorry!  A photo would really help
07/13/05 21:53:15 goj62: over 30  or close to it   will count tomorrow
07/13/05 21:53:48 Okie: I have to head off you guys have a great night.
07/13/05 21:53:49 Tony__IL: posting a pic would really help Judi
07/13/05 21:53:55 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Okie!
07/13/05 21:54:03 Okie Logs Out
07/13/05 21:54:03 Brenda: nite
07/13/05 21:54:03 Tony__IL: later Okie
07/13/05 21:54:22 goj62: will try to get camera back in a day or so
07/13/05 21:54:26 Jana_in_Indiana: don't think light would make it fold up,
07/13/05 21:54:35 Jana_in_Indiana: Judi, does each leaf fold up?
07/13/05 21:54:44 Jana_in_Indiana: like in a U shape?
07/13/05 21:55:14 Jana_in_Indiana: or are all the leaves pointing upwards?
07/13/05 21:55:19 Tony__IL: It did for a couple of mine.
07/13/05 21:55:25 goj62: no and it is putting out new leafs  blue flower with white around edge
07/13/05 21:55:58 Tony__IL: Bob Serbin likes the right right or he puts up a fuss.  LOL
07/13/05 21:56:10 Jana_in_Indiana: send me a photo if you get one, sorry I can't be of more help!
07/13/05 21:56:11 Tony__IL: right light*+
07/13/05 21:56:23 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, lost of AV's can get picky about lighting
07/13/05 21:56:26 Brenda: sucker leaf?
07/13/05 21:56:28 Jana_in_Indiana: lots*
07/13/05 21:56:50 Jana_in_Indiana: OMG!  Could it be a bustle leaf?
07/13/05 21:57:10 Brenda: what is that
07/13/05 21:57:14 Jana_in_Indiana: have you seen bustle leaves Judi?
07/13/05 21:57:36 goj62: no have no idea what you mean
07/13/05 21:57:38 Tony__IL: sucker leaf, please go on. Think J is on to something. Is it named?
07/13/05 21:58:03 goj62: no name
07/13/05 21:58:46 Tony__IL: bustle leaf has a tiny leaf on each side where the big meets the stem (petiole)
07/13/05 21:59:06 Jana_in_Indiana: http://www.rosebudm.com/lavg/lavg-blossom_leaf_identification.htm
07/13/05 21:59:16 Tony__IL: thanks J
07/13/05 21:59:25 Jana_in_Indiana: check that link & see if any of those leaves look like yours
07/13/05 22:00:08 Jana_in_Indiana: sometimes the bustle can be very big, Blue Tail Fly has some huge bustles
07/13/05 22:00:38 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, sorry my brain is so slow tonight, between the pain & the pain pills, I'm not all here!  LOL
07/13/05 22:01:06 Brenda: is this a good or bad thing
07/13/05 22:01:11 Tony__IL: maybe we could charge for an office call for sick violets? LOL
07/13/05 22:01:27 goj62: don,t think so  but will heck in a.m. and gonna try to go get my camera
07/13/05 22:01:31 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL T
07/13/05 22:01:38 Jana_in_Indiana: it's just a leaf type
07/13/05 22:01:58 goj62: what about sick people
07/13/05 22:02:06 Jana_in_Indiana: you should save that link, it shows lots of different leaf & blossom types with photos, not drawings!
07/13/05 22:02:28 Tony__IL: been there and done that. No thanks Judi
07/13/05 22:02:29 goj62: i will
07/13/05 22:02:30 Shellie_CA: I just did
07/13/05 22:02:47 Jana_in_Indiana: does your plant look like any of the leaf photos on that link Judi?
07/13/05 22:03:20 goj62: just hope I printed it right  can go to it when on chat
07/13/05 22:03:58 Jana_in_Indiana: not to worry, I just sent you the link by e-mail
07/13/05 22:04:26 goj62: ok thanks
07/13/05 22:04:31 Jana_in_Indiana: Brenda, did you get the link?  Or want me to send it to you too?
07/13/05 22:04:41 Brenda: please
07/13/05 22:04:47 Jana_in_Indiana: addy?
07/13/05 22:04:54 Tony__IL: how did you get her e-mail addy?
07/13/05 22:05:16 Brenda: bcdragonfly48@yahoo
07/13/05 22:05:18 Jana_in_Indiana: she's on aol, & I had e-mailed her before so just typed 'go' & it came up!
07/13/05 22:05:28 Tony__IL: OK
07/13/05 22:06:00 goj62: does look like the wavy leaf  not the other
07/13/05 22:06:05 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, Brenda you should hav eit too!
07/13/05 22:06:12 Jana_in_Indiana: ok
07/13/05 22:06:20 Brenda: thank you
07/13/05 22:06:21 Jana_in_Indiana: is it with your other AV's?
07/13/05 22:06:24 Jana_in_Indiana: welcome
07/13/05 22:08:11 Jana_in_Indiana: http://groups.msn.com/TheVioletVoiceTestSite/leaftypes.msnw
07/13/05 22:08:20 goj62: no it by itself
07/13/05 22:08:27 Jana_in_Indiana: that's another good site for leaf types, but they're drawings
07/13/05 22:09:04 Tony__IL: does the MN society have them? Don't have the address
07/13/05 22:09:15 Shellie_CA: Well I am going to say good nite
07/13/05 22:09:21 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Shellie!
07/13/05 22:09:23 Tony__IL: later Shellie
07/13/05 22:09:28 Brenda: nite
07/13/05 22:09:33 Shellie_CA Logs Out
07/13/05 22:09:38 Jana_in_Indiana: don't know T, will have to look
07/13/05 22:10:15 Jana_in_Indiana: I'd keep it by itself till we know what's going on with it Judi
07/13/05 22:10:34 Jana_in_Indiana: but if you can send us a photo that would help lots!
07/13/05 22:10:53 Brenda: assume we need to keep new av in another room
07/13/05 22:11:07 goj62: oh I will
07/13/05 22:11:40 Jana_in_Indiana: no, if you isolate it so it's air tight, they ca be in same room, but even in another room, needs to be air tight, thrips & other buggies fly!
07/13/05 22:12:08 Brenda: no more thrips, please
07/13/05 22:12:16 goj62: oh goodie
07/13/05 22:12:22 Jana_in_Indiana: & mites can hitch a ride on a gnat, thrip, fly or almost anything
07/13/05 22:12:32 Jana_in_Indiana: pets too!
07/13/05 22:12:43 goj62: learn a little more each night I,m on here
07/13/05 22:12:59 Jana_in_Indiana: just keep an eye on them & treat any problems you come up with
07/13/05 22:13:01 Brenda: when do we get to the pretty part LOL
07/13/05 22:13:10 Jana_in_Indiana: soon, I promise!
07/13/05 22:13:18 Brenda: me too, Judi
07/13/05 22:13:34 Brenda: bet you lie LOL
07/13/05 22:13:40 Jana_in_Indiana: all mine in isolation are blooming like mad!  I removed ever bloom & bud before isolating, these are new ones
07/13/05 22:13:52 Jana_in_Indiana: nope!  I wouldn't lie to you!
07/13/05 22:14:19 Brenda: oh boy, we keep the bloom
07/13/05 22:14:21 Jana_in_Indiana: they need to become root bound to bloom, so keep in smallest pot possible
07/13/05 22:14:42 Jana_in_Indiana: you know the 1/3 rule?
07/13/05 22:14:43 goj62: had a plant   AV that I had a while  was fixing to get rid of it  was limp etc   now it,s beutiful   think it,s Op--O,keeffee
07/13/05 22:15:19 Jana_in_Indiana: Optimara O'Keeffe (8332) 12/14/1995 (Holtkamp) Single white/variable purple-blue edge. Medium green, pointed, hairy, wavy, serrated. Standard
07/13/05 22:15:25 Jana_in_Indiana: it's a beauty!
07/13/05 22:15:27 goj62: was told it may be a male plant was the reason it never bloomed
07/13/05 22:15:38 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL, no!
07/13/05 22:15:43 Jana_in_Indiana: who said that?
07/13/05 22:16:03 Brenda: why so few girl plants
07/13/05 22:16:13 Tony__IL: that judge from the county fair LOL
07/13/05 22:16:22 Jana_in_Indiana: with AV's, all blossoms have both male & female flower parts
07/13/05 22:16:28 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL   T!
07/13/05 22:16:31 goj62: a freind that used to raise violets   about the size of mybig tv
07/13/05 22:16:46 Jana_in_Indiana: there are no male AV's, sorry!
07/13/05 22:17:14 goj62: just what she told me
07/13/05 22:17:21 Carolyn-CA Logs in [172.193.175.47]
07/13/05 22:17:22 Jana_in_Indiana: there are plants with 'girl' foliage though, but that a leaf type, had nothing to do with male or female plants
07/13/05 22:17:29 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Carolyn!
07/13/05 22:17:33 Tony__IL: hi Carolyn
07/13/05 22:17:40 Brenda: do we need to put the kids to bed. getting steamy
07/13/05 22:17:57 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
07/13/05 22:17:59 goj62: hi Carolyn
07/13/05 22:18:04 Carolyn-CA: Hi guys...Had so much fun last night I came back! lol
07/13/05 22:18:14 Jana_in_Indiana: good for you Carolyn!
07/13/05 22:18:18 Brenda: hey
07/13/05 22:18:20 Tony__IL: later Brenda
07/13/05 22:18:40 Brenda: just kidding
07/13/05 22:18:44 Jana_in_Indiana: are you leaving Brenda or just joking about the current topic?
07/13/05 22:18:52 goj62: lol
07/13/05 22:19:13 Carolyn-CA: I have always been crazy about girl leaves.  Just checking Steve Reeds site for leaves with girl leaves.
07/13/05 22:19:14 Brenda: joking, no harm meant
07/13/05 22:19:17 Jana_in_Indiana: I promise, there are no male non-blooming AV's!!!
07/13/05 22:19:28 Jana_in_Indiana: that what I thought!  ;)
07/13/05 22:19:54 Jana_in_Indiana: other plants, yes, holly bushes come to mind for one
07/13/05 22:19:57 Brenda: I love LOL
07/13/05 22:20:37 goj62: she did have some beatiful violets tho and drove quite a ways to get soil   never would tell me where
07/13/05 22:20:59 Jana_in_Indiana: oh no!  She kept her growing tips a secret?
07/13/05 22:21:23 Jana_in_Indiana: all the AV growers I know share everything, even big convention show winners!
07/13/05 22:21:45 goj62: remember me telling you she,d soak in water for 3 days then plant leafs
07/13/05 22:21:53 Jana_in_Indiana: yes!
07/13/05 22:22:21 Jana_in_Indiana: if I tried that, everything would be rotten in 3 days here, LOL -- but I know some root everything in water only
07/13/05 22:22:53 goj62: good old counrty girl  and I do mean counrty
07/13/05 22:23:15 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL, so is Pat Hancock, & she'll share every tip she knows with you!
07/13/05 22:23:19 Tony__IL: yes, how come they live in water, but rot if in mud water?
07/13/05 22:23:20 goj62: I don't have to good of luck with that either
07/13/05 22:23:51 Jana_in_Indiana: don't know T, they rot in my water!
07/13/05 22:24:03 Tony__IL: LOL
07/13/05 22:24:24 Jana_in_Indiana: I have soaked severely dehydrated leaves I got in the mail for 24 hours, but still had to cut away the rot
07/13/05 22:24:40 goj62: i root a lot in water then they die when planted  not violets tho
07/13/05 22:25:09 Jana_in_Indiana: roots formed in water are more fragile
07/13/05 22:25:38 goj62: got devils backbone in water now and some kind of begonia rooting
07/13/05 22:25:54 Tony__IL: heard they're water root and soil roots and the soil roots are different. Have no personal experience in this area
07/13/05 22:27:01 Jana_in_Indiana: soil roots work if they're very fibrous, like spider plant or philodendron
07/13/05 22:27:26 Jana_in_Indiana: got any questions for us tonight Carolyn?
07/13/05 22:28:00 goj62: some work some don't   LOL  got to many plants anyway  no I don't just need a bigger house
07/13/05 22:29:10 Carolyn-CA: My 87 year old Russian friend can root anything in water.  My half dead Rex begonia leaves she turned into gorgeous shiny plants.  One thing I noticed.  She always keeps the jars in bright light but away from the sun.
07/13/05 22:29:10 Brenda: wonder how many plant stands we all will end up with
07/13/05 22:29:39 Tony__IL: got that probelm Too. Have 4 trays on 1 shelf with 32 plants/tray and they are too big. Don't know what to do with them. No room left
07/13/05 22:30:01 Jana_in_Indiana: but neighbors house?
07/13/05 22:30:05 Jana_in_Indiana: buy*
07/13/05 22:30:25 Jana_in_Indiana: time to sell more leaves on ebay Tony!
07/13/05 22:30:46 Tony__IL: leaves ain't gonna make them smaller LOL
07/13/05 22:30:52 Jana_in_Indiana: Tony is thevioletrooster on ebay,
07/13/05 22:31:01 Jana_in_Indiana: did I get that right?
07/13/05 22:31:13 Jana_in_Indiana: sure it will, if you remove enough of them!
07/13/05 22:31:34 Jana_in_Indiana: ;)
07/13/05 22:31:40 Carolyn-CA: Thanks for Pat's catalog which I got today.  Haven't looked at it yet due to MS Word problem on this computer.  I saw some great clear acrylic plant shelves on plantshelf.com.  It's linked from D&P Greenouses
07/13/05 22:32:14 Jana_in_Indiana: never heard of eother of this Carolyn, have you ordered from them before?
07/13/05 22:32:24 Tony__IL: still ahven't got the price list for the trays GRRRR
07/13/05 22:33:33 Jana_in_Indiana: dang!  I hope they send the trays faster!
07/13/05 22:33:44 Carolyn-CA: No.  I just searched Google with African violets and saw D&P.  Oddly enough their very long text list looked like Frederick's.  But the site had some good files and links.  No photos.
07/13/05 22:33:45 Tony__IL: Really
07/13/05 22:34:17 Carolyn-CA: Bluebird Greenhouses had a monster list and lots of photos.
07/13/05 22:35:10 Jana_in_Indiana: do you have a link for D&P?
07/13/05 22:35:57 Carolyn-CA Logs Out
07/13/05 22:36:14 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, D&P is Fredericks!
07/13/05 22:36:26 Jana_in_Indiana: oops, lost Carolyn
07/13/05 22:36:42 Cheryl-TX Logs in [68.94.39.253]
07/13/05 22:36:50 Tony__IL: What did Tina do with her stock when she shut down Bloomlovers?
07/13/05 22:36:57 Jana_in_Indiana: Hi Cherly!
07/13/05 22:37:00 Carolyn-CA Logs in [172.193.175.47]
07/13/05 22:37:02 Tony__IL: Hi Cheryl
07/13/05 22:37:02 Jana_in_Indiana: Cheryl!
07/13/05 22:37:03 Cheryl-TX: am I  a little late
07/13/05 22:37:04 Brenda: hey
07/13/05 22:37:13 Jana_in_Indiana: Welcome back Carolyn
07/13/05 22:37:26 Carolyn-CA Logs Out
07/13/05 22:37:28 Cheryl-TX: I thought it was tuesday
07/13/05 22:37:30 Jana_in_Indiana: D&P is fredericks Carolyn
07/13/05 22:37:32 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
07/13/05 22:37:43 Cheryl-TX: i am surprised any one is still here
07/13/05 22:37:47 Jana_in_Indiana: I tried calling you Cheryl, no answer
07/13/05 22:38:04 Carolyn-CA Logs in [172.193.175.47]
07/13/05 22:38:18 Jana_in_Indiana: so we decided to discover what we could get by with tonight! :P
07/13/05 22:38:28 Tony__IL: good thing I don't have to get up early LOL
07/13/05 22:38:35 Jana_in_Indiana: D&P is fredericks Carolyn
07/13/05 22:38:53 Cheryl-TX: i was sitting out in the backyard talking to my kids, the frogs have come back to the pond and it is a favorite past time to listen to the do their couting thing
07/13/05 22:38:55 Jana_in_Indiana: you're retired!  You don't HAVE to get up ever!
07/13/05 22:39:19 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, that sounds so relaxing!
07/13/05 22:39:29 Tony__IL: yes I do, for lunch LOL
07/13/05 22:39:30 Cheryl-TX: we love it
07/13/05 22:39:47 Jana_in_Indiana: yup, you don't want to miss a meal!
07/13/05 22:40:27 Cheryl-TX: Aron and the boys made both ponds about 15 years ago and it is kind of a faimly thing
07/13/05 22:40:40 Carolyn-CA: The link for the clear shelves is sunshelf.com not plant shelf.com
07/13/05 22:40:40 Jana_in_Indiana: did you have a topic for tonight Cheryl?
07/13/05 22:40:47 Cheryl-TX: now that henry is here i am wondering if we should get rid of them
07/13/05 22:40:51 Tony__IL: sound neat Cheryl
07/13/05 22:40:53 Jana_in_Indiana: thanks Carolyn!
07/13/05 22:41:44 Jana_in_Indiana: Anngela put in a pond for me spring before last, now I have about 50 baby pond fish in a tank inside to grow them till they won't fit into the parents mouths!  LOL
07/13/05 22:41:51 Cheryl-TX: well i was interested in the topic of do you need light when propagating a leaf, and depending on your answer why
07/13/05 22:42:21 Jana_in_Indiana: you could put a fence around them , gotta keep the baby safe at all times!
07/13/05 22:42:27 Carolyn-CA: Maybe info about breeding lines like Eyerdom, Fredette, Ness, Apache, Rebels, etc.  Hard to find info except by searching catalogs.
07/13/05 22:42:42 Cheryl-TX: we never take the babies out, but there is a lot of vegatation
07/13/05 22:43:16 Jana_in_Indiana: herons & raccoons got some of our parents!  Now have chicken wire over them
07/13/05 22:43:55 Cheryl-TX: yes we could put a fence, but still i worry
07/13/05 22:44:36 Carolyn-CA: Also Cheryl's topic on lighting.  I am experimenting with natural light, but before I broke my expensive superenhanced fluorescent lightbulb I had great success with it.  (new one is $75.00)
07/13/05 22:44:37 Cheryl-TX: Carolyn that is a problem that has been kicked around so many times,
07/13/05 22:44:47 Jana_in_Indiana: I would too!  better to have no ponds than rise losing a child!
07/13/05 22:44:59 Carolyn-CA: Ok
07/13/05 22:45:03 Cheryl-TX: that is big bucks
07/13/05 22:45:07 Jana_in_Indiana: risk*
07/13/05 22:46:00 Cheryl-TX: for some reason breeders seem kind of private about that information
07/13/05 22:46:46 Cheryl-TX: When i have got to hotence pittman's for help she will show me the mama plant but not telll  the papa
07/13/05 22:47:20 Jana_in_Indiana: really?  Pat tells me, but I didn't keep notes!  Guess I should!
07/13/05 22:47:32 goj62: wish I could stay up but falling asleep in this chair catch you,ll later
07/13/05 22:47:46 Brenda: nite
07/13/05 22:47:51 Tony__IL: nite
07/13/05 22:47:53 Cheryl-TX: night
07/13/05 22:47:57 Carolyn-CA: Bye Judi
07/13/05 22:48:04 Jana_in_Indiana: g'mnite Judi!
07/13/05 22:48:06 goj62: thanks again
07/13/05 22:48:16 goj62 Logs Out
07/13/05 22:48:46 Cheryl-TX: brb
07/13/05 22:49:16 Tony__IL: think I'll get an orchid tomorrow, but not sure which. Do some bloom more often then others
07/13/05 22:49:26 Jana_in_Indiana: Brenda, your e-mail was returned
07/13/05 22:49:36 Jana_in_Indiana: bcdragonfly48@yahoo
07/13/05 22:49:58 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, but I don't know which ones T
07/13/05 22:50:13 Jana_in_Indiana: are you really going to get back into orchids?
07/13/05 22:50:21 Tony__IL: Need a flower with fragrance LOL
07/13/05 22:50:31 Jana_in_Indiana: how about roses?
07/13/05 22:50:33 Tony__IL: just 1 orchid
07/13/05 22:50:37 Carolyn-CA: Tony, phalenopsis are great with AV's.  Some bloom almost continuously.  Also cheaply available in grocery stores, etc..  Fragrance=cattleyas
07/13/05 22:50:48 Jana_in_Indiana: yah, sure, like 1 AV????  :D
07/13/05 22:50:49 Brenda: I don't know why. Did you put the .com on it
07/13/05 22:50:58 Carolyn-CA: Catts usually bloom once a year
07/13/05 22:51:19 Tony__IL: had some Cats a couple years ago but died.
07/13/05 22:51:27 Jana_in_Indiana: might not have added .com, just copied what you posted here, LOL
07/13/05 22:51:40 Brenda: my goof
07/13/05 22:51:48 Carolyn-CA: Tony, did anyone ever tell why Apaches are so popular.  I think you asked that last night
07/13/05 22:52:22 Tony__IL: and the Silverglade Apples?
07/13/05 22:52:43 Tony__IL: selling like hot cakes on eBay
07/13/05 22:52:46 Cheryl-TX: why are they so popular?
07/13/05 22:52:55 Tony__IL: beats me
07/13/05 22:53:09 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, sent them again, let me know if you get them Brenda?
07/13/05 22:53:09 Tony__IL: and the Coco
07/13/05 22:53:10 Cheryl-TX: the apaches are pretty plants
07/13/05 22:53:17 Brenda: ok
07/13/05 22:53:38 Cheryl-TX: the wranglers are not bad, but not variegated like was hoped
07/13/05 22:54:26 Cheryl-TX: I had asked the question about sliverglades apples on the VR  site and it got a bit out of hand
07/13/05 22:54:42 Cheryl-TX: i was just wondering why it was so popular
07/13/05 22:54:42 Jana_in_Indiana: I wonder how many ordered on Bloomin' Jungle's sale?  Anyone here?
07/13/05 22:54:58 Cheryl-TX: are they having a sale/
07/13/05 22:55:04 Jana_in_Indiana: how did it get out of hand Cheryl?
07/13/05 22:55:06 Tony__IL: no negatives heard about them
07/13/05 22:55:26 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, 75 cents a leaf if you pick them, 50 cents if their choice
07/13/05 22:56:01 Cheryl-TX: i think people kept saying who in their right mind would spend that  much for a plant and the  lady that was selling it got her feelings hurt
07/13/05 22:56:30 Cheryl-TX: you came in and stilled the waters if i remember correctly, jana
07/13/05 22:56:32 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, it was a while ago, right?
07/13/05 22:56:38 Jana_in_Indiana: right
07/13/05 22:56:44 Cheryl-TX: couple of months
07/13/05 22:56:57 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, I actually do remember that!
07/13/05 22:57:09 Jana_in_Indiana: must be time for more pills!  LOL
07/13/05 22:57:44 Cheryl-TX: my little bloom that i pollinated last week looks to be swelling
07/13/05 22:57:52 Cheryl-TX: hope it will ta,e
07/13/05 22:57:53 Tony__IL: what every eBay seller wants is a bidding war LOL
07/13/05 22:57:56 Jana_in_Indiana: wonderful!
07/13/05 22:57:56 Cheryl-TX: take
07/13/05 22:58:32 Carolyn-CA: But if you check completed sales, you see that the next time the thing is offered you sometimes don't have much competition even for very popular stuff.
07/13/05 22:58:51 Cheryl-TX: we have come u p with the themes for our two clubs, one is "jat
07/13/05 22:58:55 Jana_in_Indiana: right, just time your bids carefully!
07/13/05 22:59:20 Cheryl-TX: Hats off to african violets and the other is violets of the caribean
07/13/05 22:59:23 Tony__IL: Like the Joan Gehr's Green something.. One time it is hi $$ and the next one is $3
07/13/05 22:59:44 Jana_in_Indiana: hat's off should be fun!
07/13/05 23:00:22 Carolyn-CA: Well, I was bidding on an orchid once that went over $150.00.  The next week I got it for $40.00.  Rare vintage variety.
07/13/05 23:00:35 Jana_in_Indiana: Caribbean sounds good too
07/13/05 23:00:38 Tony__IL: rare, right
07/13/05 23:00:44 Cheryl-TX: it is a mystery how the selling goes, if it gets too hight i stop and wait for another time
07/13/05 23:01:05 Carolyn-CA: If I had looked at completed sales I would have seen how many times it had been offered before and how cheaply, so I could have waited more patiently.
07/13/05 23:01:05 Jana_in_Indiana: & there IS always another time!
07/13/05 23:01:18 Tony__IL: good thing C
07/13/05 23:01:36 Cheryl-TX: I have been waiting for the strep albatross for a year
07/13/05 23:01:51 Jana_in_Indiana: why?
07/13/05 23:02:43 Cheryl-TX: well when exotic violets has it , it gets too high and i figure it will come again and then it does and the bidding get tooo hight
07/13/05 23:03:18 Jana_in_Indiana: oh
07/13/05 23:04:51 Tony__IL: seems like the Sora, Mac's and Gerh are high and few
07/13/05 23:04:56 Brenda: bedtime here. thanks for all the infro. nite
07/13/05 23:04:59 Brenda Logs Out
07/13/05 23:05:04 Tony__IL: nite Brenda
07/13/05 23:05:07 Jana_in_Indiana: can you e-mail them & buy it off e-bay?
07/13/05 23:05:30 Cheryl-TX: i have not even looked this week because we are doing a lot of work in the bathroom.... we were going to replace the toilet with a higher one, and while getting it up Aron dropped the wrench in the sink and broke it, so had to get a new sink too,
07/13/05 23:06:15 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL, sounds like my husband!  :P
07/13/05 23:06:28 Cheryl-TX: well after the toilet came out the floor looked terrible, you know four boys and not one of them has good aim.....
07/13/05 23:06:59 Cheryl-TX: well the floor looked pretty good after we figured how to install it....
07/13/05 23:07:12 Tony__IL: they make urinals cause they are bigger LOL
07/13/05 23:07:28 Carolyn-CA: Cheryl you have my sympathies.  We had someone throw a 2x4 up through an open roof and when it came down it broke a sink and toilet.  Grrrr!
07/13/05 23:07:31 Cheryl-TX: so i thought maybe some new paint and wall paper.....not the ceiling fixtures look pretty shabby
07/13/05 23:08:42 Cheryl-TX: and this was five days ago and the toilet is still not in
07/13/05 23:08:56 Jana_in_Indiana: oh no!
07/13/05 23:09:07 Cheryl-TX: putting a toilet in is a two hour job............... lol]
07/13/05 23:09:26 Carolyn-CA: BRB Have to close windows it's getting too cold.
07/13/05 23:09:44 Cheryl-TX: where does carolyn live?
07/13/05 23:09:45 Tony__IL: too cold, I WISH
07/13/05 23:09:58 Cheryl-TX: must be northern ca
07/13/05 23:11:00 Tony__IL: yeah, the really northern part
07/13/05 23:11:13 Jana_in_Indiana: or very high elevation!
07/13/05 23:11:38 Jana_in_Indiana: or she's like Millie, cold when it gets down to 80 degrees!
07/13/05 23:11:38 Cheryl-TX: it was nice sitting out side, but the sun is down
07/13/05 23:11:44 Carolyn-CA: Oakland, right across the Bay from SF.  68 degrees and foggy.  Very flat.  Daytime as hot as an anvil
07/13/05 23:12:05 Jana_in_Indiana: wow, 68 now?  I wish!
07/13/05 23:12:21 Tony__IL: me too
07/13/05 23:12:37 Jana_in_Indiana: we could ship LOTS of AV's at 68 degrees!
07/13/05 23:12:37 Carolyn-CA: There are definite disadvantages for living costs.
07/13/05 23:12:56 Jana_in_Indiana: first chance I get, I'm packing boxes for everyone I know!
07/13/05 23:12:59 Cheryl-TX: expensive?
07/13/05 23:13:27 Jana_in_Indiana: gotta get rid of all these greenise!
07/13/05 23:13:38 Jana_in_Indiana: Tony, you do want Blue Tail Fly, right?
07/13/05 23:13:42 Tony__IL: about $3.45 for 30 leaves
07/13/05 23:13:56 Tony__IL: yeah, lost that one too
07/13/05 23:14:22 Jana_in_Indiana: ok, it's yours!  Not huge, but decent sized, from a leaf you sent me!
07/13/05 23:14:49 Tony__IL: another Bustle. Only one I had
07/13/05 23:14:51 Jana_in_Indiana: I need 2 dozen takes for sweet amy sure!  LOL
07/13/05 23:14:59 Jana_in_Indiana: takers*
07/13/05 23:15:29 Cheryl-TX: I sent out about 20 boxes of leaves last month, and all of them big and small boxes were 3>85
07/13/05 23:15:59 Jana_in_Indiana: yes, doesn't cost much till you go to global priority
07/13/05 23:16:09 Jana_in_Indiana: that's $15 minimum
07/13/05 23:16:09 Tony__IL: like I said I got a shelf with 4 trays and 32 plants/tray. Where do I put them? And no not going to buy another rack
07/13/05 23:16:37 Jana_in_Indiana: start selling your dup. AV's on ebay T!
07/13/05 23:16:58 Tony__IL: not sure they are dups
07/13/05 23:17:05 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL!
07/13/05 23:17:25 Tony__IL: too hot to ship now anyway
07/13/05 23:17:33 Jana_in_Indiana: true
07/13/05 23:18:14 Cheryl-TX: may be if the box is insulated, the plants i have been getting and leaves also coming in fine
07/13/05 23:18:15 Jana_in_Indiana: all I need are 2 cool days!  And a cool destination, LOL
07/13/05 23:18:28 Carolyn-CA: Someone said something about soaking in sugar water....is that a way to revive wilted leaves or plants.
07/13/05 23:18:34 Tony__IL: probably a good thing some of the leaves I ordered last year died. Where would I pu them all? LOL
07/13/05 23:18:55 Tony__IL: I use sugar water
07/13/05 23:19:03 Jana_in_Indiana: leaves you get in the mail
07/13/05 23:19:32 Carolyn-CA: How much sugar to how much water and how long to soak them.  cut stem first?
07/13/05 23:20:07 Tony__IL: I cut the stem. A pinch of sugar to about 2 tbsp of water
07/13/05 23:20:39 Tony__IL: not too scientific about thaat
07/13/05 23:20:46 Jana_in_Indiana: I use 1 tablespoon per gallon water, recut, then soak till firm, up to 24 hours
07/13/05 23:21:03 Carolyn-CA: No, plants do what they want anyhow!
07/13/05 23:22:10 Jana_in_Indiana: some sure do!
07/13/05 23:22:43 Jana_in_Indiana: how hot is it there Cheryl?
07/13/05 23:23:30 Cheryl-TX: around a 100
07/13/05 23:23:38 Jana_in_Indiana: OMG!
07/13/05 23:23:58 Carolyn-CA: I couldn't move, and I would be drinking a lot of iced tea
07/13/05 23:24:02 Jana_in_Indiana: & you got leaves in that heat, all OK?
07/13/05 23:24:22 Jana_in_Indiana: oh, I could move!  To a more northern state!
07/13/05 23:24:30 Tony__IL: and I thought 90-mid 90's was bad
07/13/05 23:24:38 Jana_in_Indiana: me too!
07/13/05 23:24:59 Carolyn-CA: Dry or humid?
07/13/05 23:25:15 Cheryl-TX: dry right now
07/13/05 23:26:11 Jana_in_Indiana: you seriously get AV leaves in the mail when it's 100 & they live Cheryl?
07/13/05 23:26:48 Cheryl-TX: well yes, but it was just 97  today
07/13/05 23:27:13 Tony__IL: JUST 97 ?
07/13/05 23:27:17 Jana_in_Indiana: oh well!  I'm sure those 3 degrees made a huge difference!  :P
07/13/05 23:27:18 Cheryl-TX: got some last week from georgia
07/13/05 23:27:20 Jana_in_Indiana: LOL
07/13/05 23:28:10 Jana_in_Indiana: the box you sent me was half mush just sitting in 93 degrees!
07/13/05 23:28:30 Tony__IL: gonna call it quits for tonight. You take notes for me OK?
07/13/05 23:28:40 Jana_in_Indiana: sure thing?!
07/13/05 23:28:44 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Tony!
07/13/05 23:28:46 Carolyn-CA: Bye Tony
07/13/05 23:28:59 Tony__IL Logs Out
07/13/05 23:29:02 Cheryl-TX: well it is 11:30 and it is my bed time
07/13/05 23:29:06 Jana_in_Indiana: I'd better go too, back is killing me!
07/13/05 23:29:16 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite Cheryl & Carolyn!
07/13/05 23:29:25 Cheryl-TX: well lets all say night night
07/13/05 23:29:32 Carolyn-CA: Hope your back feels better today.  Bye guys
07/13/05 23:29:34 Jana_in_Indiana: g'nite John boy!
07/13/05 23:29:40 Cheryl-TX: lol
07/13/05 23:29:40 Jana_in_Indiana: thakns!
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